Ok. This has to be one of the most confusing series of movies ever. Saw IV is freaking confusing i didn't understand how it ended???
Tell me if i got this rigtht
Saw 4 is about tbhe black guy trying to save the people from being killed and there is a white detective trying to figure out where the black guy is so that he can help hium. But near the end the black guy loses and fails to help all of the people. Butin the end the white detective was bad and theys how that he was working for Jig Saw all along. But at the last minute he goes and locks up teh white detective
Wth??? The white detective was the one helping Jig saw then who was the white detective that was locked up in the room in the end???? Someone please explain cause i dont understand this shizzle
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Ok, It's really not complicated. The black detective does everything possible to help save the lives of other and disregarding important people around him (wife) and not admitting that he can't save everyone. There is only one detective that helped jigsaw, and carried out his legacy after he died. If you remember the scene when they were looking at "carrie" who was the woman that had her rib cages ripped apart in saw III. The detective says " she weighed 120, amanda weighed 108, she wouldn't be able to lift her up there on her own" So that detective is the one who is really trying to solve the crime, the other continued on jigsaws work. At the end the true test was for the black detective to NOT go through the door under 90 minutes. The test was he tries to save everyone and he needed to realize that he can't. The man who gets up locks the other detective up i'm not exactly sure why, but the detective who gets locked in the room was not a part of jigsaws games. Well hope this clears most of it up for you.
i thought the black guy was a member of the swat team but hes acting like a detective cus everyone keeps dieing? What i was confused with was wtf was the black guy doing, unlike all the other people he wasnt contained inside a place, he was only contained inside a timelimit (well, he wasnt, but he didnt understand and he thought he was) why the hell didnt he go and get some backup and some expert equipment to make sure nobody else got killed in the "traps"? OK, he couldnt of done that for the first person cus she was in his flat/apartment but he could of easily got backup after that.
I guess the whole film would have been ruined if he did that though
thats retarded and full of hypocrisy...Jigsaw kidnaps random ppl in an attempt to make then better their lives and if they fail his test they end up dead.....But this black cop saves as many ppl as he can but he's being punished because he needs to learn he can't save everyone....shouldn't jigsaw punish himself for realize not everyone HAS to value their life the way he wants it.....
that being said i think the Saw series is a group of gore movies held together loosely by twist so terrible and lame it would make M.Night Shyamalan cringe....
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Innovacious wrote:i thought the black guy was a member of the swat team but hes acting like a detective cus everyone keeps dieing? What i was confused with was wtf was the black guy doing, unlike all the other people he wasnt contained inside a place, he was only contained inside a timelimit (well, he wasnt, but he didnt understand and he thought he was) why the hell didnt he go and get some backup and some expert equipment to make sure nobody else got killed in the "traps"? OK, he couldnt of done that for the first person cus she was in his flat/apartment but he could of easily got backup after that.
I guess the whole film would have been ruined if he did that though
Well in a way that was his "containment" he was contained under a timelimit. He doesn't think about going to others for help, he believes he can do it on his own. Which is why he failed his test in the end.
XemnasXD wrote:thats retarded and full of hypocrisy...Jigsaw kidnaps random ppl in an attempt to make then better their lives and if they fail his test they end up dead.....But this black cop saves as many ppl as he can but he's being punished because he needs to learn he can't save everyone....shouldn't jigsaw punish himself for realize not everyone HAS to value their life the way he wants it.....
that being said i think the Saw series is a group of gore movies held together loosely by twist so terrible and lame it would make M.Night Shyamalan cringe....
The black detective needs to realize he can't save everyone, and when he does try, it doesn't end up helping him. Jigsaw does value his life, and when he see's others who don't, he tests them. But you also have to understand, not all of them fail the test. Those who value their life, live. The saw series turned into more of a gore series, but i feel it somewhat redeemed itself with the saw IV. In all honesty M. Night Sham isn't someone i applaud for creativity. I've seen a few of his films and they do nothing for me. For example Lady in the water was one of the worst films i've ever seen. I find the saw series "twists" to be pretty creative. Farfetched at times, but none the less creative. Saw I to me, has the best twist, saw III was a stretch, but decent. It's more of a signature part of their series then anything else. Sorry i'm pretty critical when it comes to movies.
But you must know taht saw 4 is then end to teh series if you remember in teh end of the movie he says "but the game is not over" andin everymovie when he referes to this there is always a new part that comes out. 95% of people fail who play. Only themsart ones are able to escape those who can admit that there life is a joke.
HOLLAstir wrote:Ok, It's really not complicated. The black detective does everything possible to help save the lives of other and disregarding important people around him (wife) and not admitting that he can't save everyone. There is only one detective that helped jigsaw, and carried out his legacy after he died. If you remember the scene when they were looking at "carrie" who was the woman that had her rib cages ripped apart in saw III. The detective says " she weighed 120, amanda weighed 108, she wouldn't be able to lift her up there on her own" So that detective is the one who is really trying to solve the crime, the other continued on jigsaws work. At the end the true test was for the black detective to NOT go through the door under 90 minutes. The test was he tries to save everyone and he needed to realize that he can't. The man who gets up locks the other detective up i'm not exactly sure why, but the detective who gets locked in the room was not a part of jigsaws games. Well hope this clears most of it up for you.
Actually the detective that got locked up in the room Saw 3 took place in was part of Jigsaws games. If you remember the part with the tricycle there is a note and he says something to his partner then says, "we're being tested."
But you must know taht saw 4 is then end to teh series if you remember in teh end of the movie he says "but the game is not over" andin everymovie when he referes to this there is always a new part that comes out. 95% of people fail who play. Only themsart ones are able to escape those who can admit that there life is a joke.
Well i know they are making saw 5 and 6. And they are probably going beyond that as well. Well they do it to show that 95% of the people don't truely value their life. And the ones who do escape, value their life. Not that their life was a joke, they just weren't valuing the opportunites they had in life, and in a sense chose to go down the wrong path in life, which jigsaw tries to help them realize and get them on the right one.
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I don't really remember anything about a tricycle, so for now i'll take your word for it.
San wrote:who here thinks that saw just got bloodier throughout the movies, not scarier?
I never felt the saw series was ever "scary." To me it's more of can you stomach the tortures the victims have to endure to regain their lives. And ofcourse, theres the random cheap scare here and there with the pig mask (hate that thing) The first one had very little gore, the second i still tought was very little. I was VERY dissapointed with the 3rd saw. It was just a bloody mess with no plot, which wasn't very enjoyable. I mean in reality, most people who go to see "saw" or "Hostel" don't really go to the movie to see how good of a plot the movie has. The fourth was a little farfetched in the tortures they did, but i found probably the opening scene to be the most unique out of them all. One thing that really mad me angry about saw IV though, is they brought back the character who broke his own leg to escape in saw I only to have him killed. I didn't see any point in incorporating him back into the series.
San wrote:who here thinks that saw just got bloodier throughout the movies, not scarier?
I never felt the saw series was ever "scary." To me it's more of can you stomach the tortures the victims have to endure to regain their lives. And ofcourse, theres the random cheap scare here and there with the pig mask (hate that thing) The first one had very little gore, the second i still tought was very little. I was VERY dissapointed with the 3rd saw. It was just a bloody mess with no plot, which wasn't very enjoyable. I mean in reality, most people who go to see "saw" or "Hostel" don't really go to the movie to see how good of a plot the movie has. The fourth was a little farfetched in the tortures they did, but i found probably the opening scene to be the most unique out of them all. One thing that really mad me angry about saw IV though, is they brought back the character who broke his own leg to escape in saw I only to have him killed. I didn't see any point in incorporating him back into the series.
the problem i see with ongoing movies is that they usually(not always) start to run out of ideas, so they have to put in all this crap as a filler
Well personally I feel with the saw series they could really go on for as long as they want (not that they should) The topic is pretty broad on what they cover and so far it doesn't seem like they have any trouble coming up with new ideas, considering their probably close to finishing saw 5 and after that will be working right away on saw 6. But for the most part, they usually either run out of ideas, or the ideas they have left don't really capture the attention of their audiences.
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