you all are anti-bot beceause it spoils the fun of grinding?

heroo · Post by **heroo** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:49 pm

Everyone here on SRF is like '' anti-bot '', mainly because people think it spoils the fun and it's unfair for the so called '' legits''.

But when someone makes a topic about giving away his/her acc, we get like 220 replies or so ?

Just sad lol....

Shadowman20818 · Post by **Shadowman20818** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:51 pm

If I could log in to iSRO and grind up to level 80 I would, but I can't and the hours for me that I can log in are horrible so I can't play that much on iSRO. I sill want to grind up to high levels but don't want to start at point zero because of time restraints.

heroo · Post by **heroo** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:52 pm

Shadowman20818 wrote:If I could log in to iSRO and grind up to level 80 I would, but I can't and the hours for me that I can log in are horrible so I can't play that much on iSRO. I sill want to grind up to high levels but don't want to start at point zero because of time restraints.

than iSRO isn't the good game for you.

either accept the game as it is right now or leave

Shadowman20818 · Post by **Shadowman20818** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:53 pm

heroo wrote:
Shadowman20818 wrote:If I could log in to iSRO and grind up to level 80 I would, but I can't and the hours for me that I can log in are horrible so I can't play that much on iSRO. I sill want to grind up to high levels but don't want to start at point zero because of time restraints.

than iSRO isn't the good game for you.

either accept the game as it is right now or leave

I did leave to kSRO and cSRO, and now I wish to return and 'accept' it.

FliiipZ · Post by **FliiipZ** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:54 pm

i wanna play ksro T_T

Bumi · Post by **Bumi** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:57 pm

what is the connection between botting and giving accs away.

Everyone here on SRF is like '' anti-bot '', mainly because people think it spoils the fun and it's unfair for the so called '' legits''.

we are anti - bot not only because its "unfair" as you say; but also because it is against the rules. no matter how appealing botting may be its against the rules of the sro world and the rules of srf; why wouldnt we be anti - bot? does us being anti -bot make us somehow bad, does it upset you somehow?

But when someone makes a topic about giving away his/her acc, we get like 220 replies or so ?

we get replys like that because people like shadow hershy and barotix may not have time 2 play every day or may have gotten a high lvl, then in some twist of fate lost said high lvl. these people may not want 2 start from poitn X to reach point Y so thier only choice is gaining a gift acc.

Just sad lol....

so what is sad about it? pls explain.

heroo · Post by **heroo** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:09 am

we are anti - bot not only because its "unfair" as you say; but also because it is against the rules. no matter how appealing botting may be its against the rules of the sro world and the rules of srf; why wouldnt we be anti - bot? does us being anti -bot make us somehow bad, does it upset you somehow?

why you think botting is against the rules einstein ? And btw, you accusing me of being a supporter of botting ?

we get replys like that because people like shadow hershy and barotix may not have time 2 play every day or may have gotten a high lvl, then in some twist of fate lost said high lvl. these people may not want 2 start from poitn X to reach point Y so thier only choice is gaining a gift acc.

yeah sure, so if someone is playing the game for like 1 year and has a lvl 55 account and some other guy who doesn't feel like lvlin just gets an account thats like lvl 80 after just 1 day of playing, you think that's fair ?

so what is sad about it? pls explain.

read above.

FX · Post by FX » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:11 am

if i wanted to grind to 80 i would be first i'd have to get past server traffic :/

Barotix · Post by **Barotix** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:19 am

why you think botting is against the rules einstein ? And btw, you accusing me of being a supporter of botting ?

a TOS was signed which clearly stated the use of third party programs such as; bots or softmod are against the rules joymax has laid down. this forum has rules the rules are the law, bot support or appearing to support bots is against the rules. the rules that apply ig such as; not being a botter apply here as well live with it. if you dont like the rules that are enforced at srf, and that SHOULD be inforced in iSRO then plz, take the next exit out.

yeah sure, so if someone is playing the game for like 1 year and has a lvl 55 account and some other guy who doesn't feel like lvlin just gets an account thats like lvl 80 after just 1 day of playing, you think that's fair ?

this same concept applys to pwrlvling, you know what happened then. so dont start it again. there is nothing sad about it, if some1 wants an acc and they can justify thier want, then they will most likely get the acc.

ineedhelp · Post by **ineedhelp** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:28 am

heroo wrote:why you think botting is against the rules einstein ? And btw, you accusing me of being a supporter of botting ?

ummmmmm,.........................

Ryoko wrote:
Silkroad Forums strictly prohibits the following:
Promotion, distribution, or support of botting, hacking, or the use of other 3rd party programs.

Hack programs, no-cd's, keygens or bots for any games.

so which part didnt u understand

thats the forum rules and if u talking bout sro go read there agreement
im too lazzy myself to skim thought it but its there go read it might take u a while to find it :3

Firemouse · Post by **Firemouse** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:47 am

I lol'd at the connection to anti-botting and giving away accounts

CareBear · Post by **CareBear** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:00 am

heroo wrote:Everyone here on SRF is like '' anti-bot '', mainly because people think it spoils the fun and it's unfair for the so called '' legits''.

But when someone makes a topic about giving away his/her acc, we get like 220 replies or so ?

Just sad lol....

The biggest problem with bots (apart from all the slots they take up) is that they don't play nice like humans play (well most humans anyway :|). Even the ones with KS off are still painful to grind near.

Someone getting a free legit account is not KSing everything in sight and illegally taking up slots on crowded servers.

Wait, what was ur point?

Fat_Smurf · Post by **Fat_Smurf** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:05 am

CareBear wrote:
heroo wrote:Everyone here on SRF is like '' anti-bot '', mainly because people think it spoils the fun and it's unfair for the so called '' legits''.

But when someone makes a topic about giving away his/her acc, we get like 220 replies or so ?

Just sad lol....

The biggest problem with bots (apart from all the slots they take up) is that they don't play nice like humans play (well most humans anyway :|). Even the ones with KS off are still painful to grind near.

Someone getting a free legit account is not KSing everything in sight and illegally taking up slots on crowded servers.

Wait, what was ur point?

I ks when I grind and most botter have premium so they pay for their slot.

OP is right about it you guy are kinda hypocrite

arctic197 · Post by **arctic197** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:31 am

heroo wrote:
Shadowman20818 wrote:If I could log in to iSRO and grind up to level 80 I would, but I can't and the hours for me that I can log in are horrible so I can't play that much on iSRO. I sill want to grind up to high levels but don't want to start at point zero because of time restraints.

SRO isn't the good game for you.

either accept the game as it is right now or leave

lol sigged

(with a few changes of course)

nightbloom · Post by **nightbloom** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:49 am

Classic botter justifications.

1. Everyone is doing it doing it so you might as well do it too.
2. Botters support joymax.
3. Botters can turn off KS and dont talk smack when they train so they are nicer than regular players.

You are right about one thing, it takes an unusually steadfast person to be legit. Its harder than it seems and the people who have fallen into botting seem to NEED justification for it. NONE of the above statements are true. Not everyone does it. Botters support the current lack of regulation in iSRO and that's about it. Id rather someone talked smack than botted. Most botters are jerkoff "Im higher level than you are and I didnt work for it so nee nee nee nee boo boo" anways.

How can you compare giving away an account to botting and somehow turning that into a legit being hypocritical? LOL Is it because a botter gets his account for nothing too? HA HA HA Do botters deserve sympathy for having no char of their own now? Awwwww poor botter. LOLOLOL Sorry, it made me lol irl...

I like analogies, so Ill put this one in perspective. A drug dealer trying to convince a naive young man into doing drugs points out that the local preacher takes his poor elderly parents to Canada to buy their medication for 1/5 the price Medicare charges them, which is technically illegal drug use and trafficking.

g0d · Post by **g0d** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:58 am

Barotix wrote:
why you think botting is against the rules einstein ? And btw, you accusing me of being a supporter of botting ?

a TOS was signed which clearly stated the use of third party programs such as; bots or softmod are against the rules joymax has laid down. this forum has rules the rules are the law, bot support or appearing to support bots is against the rules. the rules that apply ig such as; not being a botter apply here as well live with it. if you dont like the rules that are enforced at srf, and that SHOULD be inforced in iSRO then plz, take the next exit out.

yeah sure, so if someone is playing the game for like 1 year and has a lvl 55 account and some other guy who doesn't feel like lvlin just gets an account thats like lvl 80 after just 1 day of playing, you think that's fair ?

this same concept applys to pwrlvling, you know what happened then. so dont start it again. there is nothing sad about it, if some1 wants an acc and they can justify thier want, then they will most likely get the acc.

Please post the T.O.S and tell me where it says "no bottzor allowed" and btw , you can't say "softmod AND bot" softmod is a crack for the bot , not a diff bot.

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:12 am

I'd prefer if they just gave away the items, i just hated pming someone only to have them tell me they the original owner gave away his account...its an awkward moment. Also i don't see any problem with a Legit forum member not wanting all his hard work to go to waste and would rather let someone else benifit from it. Of courses theres no way to tell if the account was botted most of the times so i guess its just a given. You'll know the sro community has really gone to sh*t when ppl start calling out bot support for every action that goes on.....oh wait....

ineedhelp · Post by **ineedhelp** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:13 am

g0d wrote:
Please post the T.O.S and tell me where it says "no bottzor allowed" and btw , you can't say "softmod AND bot" softmod is a crack for the bot , not a diff bot.

WOW holy shit where do i start on this first offf on tos it says no third programms we dont need to show u oh wait i remmeebr u singed up for the game and didnt read the rules right no one has to do your job do it yourslef and look for it i was gonna do it but wow i thoguht i was lazzy =/

second of all why is joymaxxx gonna speciifically gonna say no softmod it already says no thrid programms

example the school system no drugs no fights no weapons no illegal weapons no gang realeated stuff do u think school should also mention no murder isnt it already logical murder isnt aloud

no bottzor allowed

so why are there bot ban list although we havent had one for a along time

g0d · Post by **g0d** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:27 am

Yea. In the past months so many people got banned..*searching for the last list* .. oh wait...i can't find it , cuz it's Farking OLD. I reported my char BOTTING with screenshots + video + i globalled that im botting , and the char DIDNT got banned after 6 months now , why the **** do you think morningdew left , cuz silkroad is only out for your MONEY. They do not care about you , or did you _EVER_ got an answer from a bug report? or from a gm? DID YOU EVER talked to a GM?

morningdew: hey gargamel , we got one more botter , please ban him. *shows screenshots*
gargamel: naww my hoe , i jus checked his silk charge log..he paying enough money for my new house + sum hookers.
morningdew: ah kkk..brb leave joymax.

ineedhelp · Post by **ineedhelp** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:55 am

g0d wrote:Yea. In the past months so many people got banned..*searching for the last list* .. oh wait...i can't find it , cuz it's Farking OLD. I reported my char BOTTING with screenshots + video + i globalled that im botting , and the char DIDNT got banned after 6 months now , why the **** do you think morningdew left , cuz silkroad is only out for your MONEY. They do not care about you , or did you _EVER_ got an answer from a bug report? or from a gm? DID YOU EVER talked to a GM?

morningdew: hey gargamel , we got one more botter , please ban him. *shows screenshots*
gargamel: naww my hoe , i jus checked his silk charge log..he paying enough money for my new house + sum hookers.
morningdew: ah kkk..brb leave joymax.

um...................................................................................................

fitst off bro u need a chill pill asap go watch some cartoons and let it out
(ok back to discusion)
um why would i know a gm

gm's dont even know themselfs

second off this is a fansite this site is not made by joymaxxx

did you _EVER_ got an answer from a bug report?

i dont send bug reports

Yea. In the past months so many people got banned..*searching for the last list* .. oh wait...i can't find it , cuz it's Farking OLD.

captain obvious didnt i just say that :roll:

seems u cant get nothing pass this kids thick headed skull oh well

g0d wrote:I reported my char BOTTING

im i blind or did this guy just say he bots

um btw maybe they didnt get the reports shit does happen lol
go ahead on there official forums make a topic that u bot show proof and link them to where u got the bot
got the balls to do it ????

http://www.silkroadonline.net/sro_board ... ?ForumID=2

have fun

g0d · Post by **g0d** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:58 am

You jus won't get it , stay addicted to the game and scream "LOLO BOT BANNED HUAhah-ahauah" , and yea i said that i'm botting , and i just sold 2 chars for total $700 , better try to make money of this shitty game before it dies.

Adios Amigo!

ineedhelp · Post by **ineedhelp** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:23 am

g0d wrote:You jus won't get it , stay addicted to the game and scream "LOLO BOT BANNED HUAhah-ahauah" , and yea i said that i'm botting , and i just sold 2 chars for total $700 , better try to make money of this shitty game before it dies.

Adios Amigo!

since when am i a addict do u even know me to say that

and at times it is funny when ppl get banned( specially when botters say i will never get banned and they actually do) and when joymaxx makes a ban list everyone on the server in fact everyone who plays the game waits for it then checks who got banned then laughs at them
so wat the fu ck are u talking about

tried to disss me that i laugh at that and u failed sorry
becuase i dont bot like u am a addict now wth O.O

grats on the $700

sems like some one has neevr seen 700 dolars in there life to be bragigng about it :wink:

so im guessing u not gonna do what i just said figures =/
http://www.silkroadonline.net/forums

adios amigo

Lachlan · Post by **Lachlan** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:25 am

From the Terms of Service Agreement that all players had to agree to:

5. ... If user becomes involved in an activity that is forbidden by Company, Company can classify him as an illegal user and restrain and block him during a given period in order to prevent harm to other users.

4. User shall not illegally use other's accounts.

5. User shall not use service by company in any other way and shall not participate in the following activities when using the Services.
① Act of distributing content in game servers or websites without the permission of the copyright holder
② Act of advertising the Company's copyright and intellectual property rights in game servers or websites without the Company's permission.

6. User shall not violate other people's rights by using the services in violation of the public peace and morality.

7. The User must observe the terms in this Agreement and the Law, and shall not damage the reputation of the Company or cause interference to the Services.

8. User must read regularly and be familiar with the notices posted through the Web site.

9. User shall not complain of problems that arise due to use of other software not developed by the Company.

Article 5 (Definition of Hacking)

1. Hacking shall mean acquisition and use of other's computerized information without permission. Hacking includes the following actions:
① Creating a new function that can harm the system
② Illegally penetrating into the information system without permission

Article 6 (Hacking Management)

1. Company shall delete or suspend forever the account owned by such hacker and/or temporarily restore all date in existence before hacking.

2. Hacker and the user of hacking program may be subject to civil or criminal liability in accordance with applicable statutes or regulations, and the Company shall not be liable.

From the SRO Website Forums, which you agreed to READ, see point 8 above:

Hello. This is Silkroad Online.

A patch regarding [ Bot Hacked Client Block ] has been applied in order to create a clean gaming environment.

As this patch has been applied to wipe out bot programs and hacked clients, legitimate users using normal clients will not experience any problems logging on to the game. However, users that use abnormal or hacked clients bot programs may only log on to the game by installing an unaltered normal client that has been newly downloaded.

After the application of this patch, we will wipe out any bot hacked client users.

From the FAQ Forum:

Q. My friend was blocked for no reason. Why was he/she blocked?

A. The reason for blockage is always listed. Once you enter your login information and attempt to login and fail, the reason for the block will be listed in the lower left. The most common reasons listed will be blocks for bot usage [Illegal Program Use] and chargeback related/use of stolen or financially fraudulent activity [Extra Block Related Chargeback].

Q. There have been these sites selling silk and free gold and they have a similar appearance to the official site. What are they?

A. These are phishing sites. Essentially, these sites are set up for the sole purpose of stealing your account information at the least and other non-game related essential data stored on your pc as well. Some may also contain hidden Active X applets as well as other spyware which may install even upon browsing of these sites.

You cannot get silk any other way besides through the official website and certainly not for free. Any mention of pseudo-technical hacking processes these sites mention as being able to circumvent security is completely false. We also highly discourage any attempts to buy or sell gold. Loss of accounts is highly probable.

Q. I want to report a bot user. What should I do?

A. Please submit a bug report to the Customer Service section of the website. Bug reports are received directly by the GM team in Korea. We ask that our users not post bot reports on the forum or send us an email with the bot list, as this takes time away from our other duties. Please understand that this is an effort to maximize our resources and manage our system as efficiently as possible.

Still think there is nothing in the SRO Policies that suggest they do not want people to use bots?

Personally, I have never used, nor will I ever use, a bot. It just seems totally rediculous to me ... how is automated play fun?

Nevertheless, I am not personally bothered by the cheater that uses a bot to get his/her character to 80th level in record time. So now, they can PvP with everyone else ... so what? They have missed 90% of the enjoyment of this game.

What bothers me far more is the infestation of SRO by gold bots. These characters do not even belong to players ... they are simply gathering gold for resellers. They interfere with play, take up all available slots, create serious lag, and contribute to hyper-inflation (not to mention KSing and other annoyances). Ultimately, this forces all the players who are racing to level 80 to buy gold in order to purchase practically anything from a stall, thus giving the gold resellers a market, and causing them to create even more gold bots.

It is a viscious cycle, and has divided SRO almost into two games.

Personally, I would like to see a new server where every player had to give legitimate VISA or PayPal information in order to play. Anyone caught advertising illeagal services (like selling gold) would be "fined" (read "charged") $100 for every infraction. Players caught using bots would also be banned, deleted and their IP address and credit card information used to block any further attempt to join the server. Of course, many people have more than one credit card and can access via more than one IP address, but eventually they would have to quit using bots or burn up all their credit cards and/or IP addresses.

Players who do not have access to Credit Cards or PayPal can continue to play on all the existing servers. With the majority of the "legit" players moved off those servers, there might even be more room to log on once in a while.

Of course, a better solution would be an automated method of kicking bot players out of the game, but that would require JOYMAX to make that a priority and create a new client that gave players that feature. An idea could be to allow players the option of "reporting" a bot in game. Players accused of botting have a short time to respond to an image verification message similar to signing on ... if they do so, they are exempt from any further checks for a period (perhaps 30 minutes or an hour). If they do not respond within a short period (perhaps 5 minutes) they are logged off the game, reducing lag and freeing up slots.

Perhaps even better would be that any player who does not respond within 5 minutes gets "Murderer" status, and is now free game for anyone to attack them and kill them. The status is only reset upon paying a fine (100 million gold perhaps?) to the Hunters Guild or by signing off and signing on again through the image verification process.

I personally like this latter idea, because it would not take too long to see all the murderer bots running around, and they could be made to drop some very nice things.

And since I only came up with this idea while I wrote this, I think I will now submit it to the SRO game ideas forum.

Good Luck!

ineedhelp · Post by **ineedhelp** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:13 am

Hello. This is Silkroad Online.

A patch regarding [ Bot Hacked Client Block ] has been applied in order to create a clean gaming environment.

As this patch has been applied to wipe out bot programs and hacked clients, legitimate users using normal clients will not experience any problems logging on to the game. However, users that use abnormal or hacked clients bot programs may only log on to the game by installing an unaltered normal client that has been newly downloaded.

Good Luck!

holy shit u got PWNED THEM O.O
sorrry g0d and heroo theres no comeback after this anything u say from now is just jibberish ignorant or no one will read it
good shit Lachlan much respect for you :love:

i didnt want to quote your whole post it was long and good so i shorten it xD

Necrobat · Post by **Necrobat** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:20 am

Lachlan, that image verification could be annoying, especially to someone like me stalls all night to reach a majority of the player base.

firefox6 · Post by **firefox6** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:27 am

bots bots bots thats 90% of the topics here now...
i did it to lvl 80 and will never start a 2ed char to go to lvl 80..

no matter how much you bitch about them they are still going to be there... joymax is making money off them and bot makers are making money off them..

nothing is going to change no matter what you say or do..

get over it.. i did.. (untill i pvp a sun botter)

but dam the topic about shaving your nuts was a change and really funny..

there should be a new rule, bitching about bots gets you banned..

now flame away!

ineedhelp · Post by **ineedhelp** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:52 am

firefox6 wrote:bots bots bots thats 90% of the topics here now...
i did it to lvl 80 and will never start a 2ed char to go to lvl 80..

no matter how much you bitch about them they are still going to be there... joymax is making money off them and bot makers are making money off them..

nothing is going to change no matter what you say or do..

get over it.. i did.. (untill i pvp a sun botter)

but dam the topic about shaving your nuts was a change and really funny..

there should be a new rule, bitching about bots gets you banned..

now flame away!

first off the topic was made by a botter himself complaining now firefox makes a post complaining about complaining

cya

Lachlan · Post by **Lachlan** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:52 am

Thanks for the cudos, inh;

Necrobat, the idea would need a few more specifics. For example, bot accusations might not be possible in Safe Zones, might not be applicable to players doing PvP or perhaps even wearing capes, and not applicable to characters with a Job. (Traders on one-star trades might be an exception, so that botters do not just start a trade and then go bot with impunity.)

If a player is activated as a Thief or Hunter, then as a bot, he is subject to attack by the other. A bot as a Trader with 2 or more stars is also a target. Hunting bots would be a full time job of legit players if they were to try to avoid the verification process by wearing a job item.

Also, bots that wear capes could be subject to constant PvP atacks, but as long as a player is not actually engaged in a battle, the bot accusation function could still be used on the character.

Attempting to accuse someone of being a bot when they are in a Safe Zone, when they are engaged in a PvP battle, or when they are on an active Job (except for Traders doing 1-star trades) would result in an "Invalid Target" message. Anyone who has been accused and has already verifired in the last hour would result in "Invalid Target" as well.

Another thing to make it "Fair" might be that if the accusor attempts to accuse someone, and they DO verify, then the accuser is signed off and receives a one-hour ban, or perhaps receives Murderer status until they have signed off and on again. This would prevent people from walking around accusing everyone of being a bot. You would have to look at the pattern of play, or be KSed a few times, or even open a dialouge and get no response before you would use the "Anti-bot Nuclear Device".

At this point, it is just an idea that might well need some fleshing out if it was to be seriously concidered. Even if it does not completely get rid of bots, it would go a long way towards making bots more fun, by turning them into potential targets. Then you can let people bot all they want, knowing that if you can catch them at it, you can kill them (as Murderers) and maybe even get some of their stuff.

Sounds good to me!

Good Luck!

cooldude123 · Post by **cooldude123** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:57 am

lol your not god... im the god

lololol i killed my hand and i was like...

PYAAAAAA ima go to my desk and chop the motha f in half!! PYAAAAAA

i lurk the forums lulz

Sylhana · Post by **Sylhana** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:10 am

Some players can play, some players benefit from learning to play this game. Either type of player can get to cap lvl, and all it takes is determination to get there. If there were no bots in sro, anyone who got to cap lvl deserves some form of recognition, respect, and congratulations from the sro gaming community. The sad thing is if a legit player gets there, they'll only get disdain, shamed, and calls of "no-life" from the "wider" community (not from this forum btw, mind you).

Anyone can get cap lvl now, and they dont even need to learn much about the game. Thats the really sad thing about sro at the present. Botting activities go unpunished, and it makes playing legit looking like a joke <.<. This game is really fun, and it starts from lvl1 all the way to cap. As you strive to get there, you'll meet other players, make friends, learn from one another, have adventures, have stories together, have fun, winning, loosing, all part of a fun mmorpg.

Your char becomes very valuable and you get a sense of attachment to it.

It is the main reason why legit players either keep their char forever, or give it away to someone who they deem deserves it. I can never see myself selling my char, as I've put in so much effort, had so much fun on it, and the most important of all forged friendships, and memories with it.

So dont ridicule someone for giving their char away. It is sad to see someone leaving this game, but cel-a-vie life has to go on

. It is their wish to see someone else continuing their char, and experiencing what they experience.

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