Return of the Strength Hybrids

shadowman20875 · Post by **shadowman20875** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:47 pm

Well not really, as they can't return because they never really got started.

1st things 1st, yeah I know, C&S, but I think this may affect the general public more and it's really not a question more of a discussion, add that to the fact no one goes to C&S.

Okay then, moving on.

Well pure strength builds have been ruling the tanking build for quite a long time (make that forever), but is it time for the strength hybrid glaive and blade rise?

*I would like to add here please only post if you know what you are talking about, have tried the ice shield and at least tested a strength build a little, don't just go by popular opinion*

My thoughts:
Pure strength vs. Strength hybrid

High Crit vs. Lower Crit but a fraction of that is bounced back by the int

High Health vs. Med~High health with ice shield

Fire/Light vs. Light/Ice... yeah lower imbue damage

Garment vs. Gament, crits will hit harder but the ice shield takes that

So this is looking like sacrificing even more damage for tanking ability, a more evolved version of the blade, but I guess it comes down to whether the MP will be enough not to disappear after a nice hit and whether Ice/Light can kill, even with a glaive.

I'm trying this build right now on my friends pure strength blade 6x on cSRO (he's playing my kSRO hybrid 4x... fair trade...) and since I got hacked on iSRO, if it works well I guess I'm gonna build it on a new iSRO server when 90 cap comes out and shock the server, but I would like to know all of your thoughts on it, and how it may affect the future of pvp.

/discuss

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:50 pm

"Fire/Light vs. Light/Ice... yeah lower imbue damage "

by what..100 damage? lol.

anyway this is a possibilty if they only take the mana shield to only like 20%. not its full on 50% (then they wouldnt be able to attack)

UnDutchable · Post by **UnDutchable** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:07 pm

I'm working on a str hybrid blader atm(2:1) and it does thesame dmg as a full str glavier(sometimes more). So this means it atleast can kill, and still can tank with his KD + Stabs.... Hybrid str blade is pretty good..im only lv 48 with that char tho

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:33 pm

UnDutchable wrote:I'm working on a str hybrid blader atm(2:1) and it does thesame dmg as a full str glavier(sometimes more). So this means it atleast can kill, and still can tank with his KD + Stabs.... Hybrid str blade is pretty good..im only lv 48 with that char tho

stick to your bow lol.
or at least switch to glaive for the stun, KB, and immense HP you drained for being hybrid and still doing the same damage as your pure str counterpart

Fly · Post by **Fly** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:55 pm

wtf?

how exactly does a str hybrid tank better then a str? are you on drugs?

if ur reasoning behind it is that the str hybrid has the ice shield, well then thats the dumbest logic ever. i think all str chars will have it also. 60 ice costs almost nothing to get. and going 80 fire, 80 glavie, 80 lighting and 60 ice is easy to do. guess what the difference between 60 ice and 90 ice is in terms of mana shield. 60 ice is 40% absorbe. 90 ice is 53% absorbe.

if u drop fire for 90 ice and go with your silly hybrid str, you will lose HP, Crits, and 18% physical damage just to gain 13% absorbe for 10 or 20 seconds?

lay off the pot man. :!:

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:00 pm

UnDutchable wrote:I'm working on a str hybrid blader atm(2:1) and it does thesame dmg as a full str glavier(sometimes more). So this means it atleast can kill, and still can tank with his KD + Stabs.... Hybrid str blade is pretty good..im only lv 48 with that char tho

theres no way a hybrid blader can hit harder than a pur STR Glaive....maybe if you've got SoX and pimped gear but just using base stats the glaiver would do more damage.....i've played with them both enough to know that....

And in a battle i'd rather have a crit that can do massive damage then serveral weaker hits that give time for them to just pot it all back....for STR your rarely in a fight that crit won't win for you

Bliss · Post by **Bliss** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:09 pm

hybrid BOW is the thing ... 5str 1int build .. just nice .. with new skills .. maybe one of the best builds? ...

shadowman20875 · Post by **shadowman20875** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:47 pm

Fly wrote::? wtf?

how exactly does a str hybrid tank better then a str? are you on drugs?

if ur reasoning behind it is that the str hybrid has the ice shield, well then thats the dumbest logic ever. i think all str chars will have it also. 60 ice costs almost nothing to get. and going 80 fire, 80 glavie, 80 lighting and 60 ice is easy to do. guess what the difference between 60 ice and 90 ice is in terms of mana shield. 60 ice is 40% absorbe. 90 ice is 53% absorbe.

if u drop fire for 90 ice and go with your silly hybrid str, you will lose HP, Crits, and 18% physical damage just to gain 13% absorbe for 10 or 20 seconds?

lay off the pot man.

No, my logic is the ice shield won't disappear after a good hit from the enemy and then you either have to waste time re-buffing or go without it the rest of the fight

Fly · Post by **Fly** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:50 pm

shadowman20875 wrote:
Fly wrote::? wtf?

how exactly does a str hybrid tank better then a str? are you on drugs?

if ur reasoning behind it is that the str hybrid has the ice shield, well then thats the dumbest logic ever. i think all str chars will have it also. 60 ice costs almost nothing to get. and going 80 fire, 80 glavie, 80 lighting and 60 ice is easy to do. guess what the difference between 60 ice and 90 ice is in terms of mana shield. 60 ice is 40% absorbe. 90 ice is 53% absorbe.

if u drop fire for 90 ice and go with your silly hybrid str, you will lose HP, Crits, and 18% physical damage just to gain 13% absorbe for 10 or 20 seconds?

lay off the pot man.

No, my logic is the ice shield won't disappear after a good hit from the enemy and then you either have to waste time re-buffing or go without it the rest of the fight

let me guess then. ints will be the best tanks then. along with the best damage, and all pure str will be compleatly useless.

dude, go take a cold shower or something.

sronoob · Post by **sronoob** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:59 pm

Fly wrote:
shadowman20875 wrote:
Fly wrote::? wtf?

how exactly does a str hybrid tank better then a str? are you on drugs?

if ur reasoning behind it is that the str hybrid has the ice shield, well then thats the dumbest logic ever. i think all str chars will have it also. 60 ice costs almost nothing to get. and going 80 fire, 80 glavie, 80 lighting and 60 ice is easy to do. guess what the difference between 60 ice and 90 ice is in terms of mana shield. 60 ice is 40% absorbe. 90 ice is 53% absorbe.

if u drop fire for 90 ice and go with your silly hybrid str, you will lose HP, Crits, and 18% physical damage just to gain 13% absorbe for 10 or 20 seconds?

lay off the pot man.

No, my logic is the ice shield won't disappear after a good hit from the enemy and then you either have to waste time re-buffing or go without it the rest of the fight

let me guess then. ints will be the best tanks then. along with the best damage, and all pure str will be compleatly useless.

dude, go take a cold shower or something.

hey wad bout 120 cold, how much the shield absorbed

shadowman20875 · Post by **shadowman20875** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:01 pm

Fly wrote:
shadowman20875 wrote:
Fly wrote::? wtf?

how exactly does a str hybrid tank better then a str? are you on drugs?

if ur reasoning behind it is that the str hybrid has the ice shield, well then thats the dumbest logic ever. i think all str chars will have it also. 60 ice costs almost nothing to get. and going 80 fire, 80 glavie, 80 lighting and 60 ice is easy to do. guess what the difference between 60 ice and 90 ice is in terms of mana shield. 60 ice is 40% absorbe. 90 ice is 53% absorbe.

if u drop fire for 90 ice and go with your silly hybrid str, you will lose HP, Crits, and 18% physical damage just to gain 13% absorbe for 10 or 20 seconds?

lay off the pot man.

No, my logic is the ice shield won't disappear after a good hit from the enemy and then you either have to waste time re-buffing or go without it the rest of the fight

let me guess then. ints will be the best tanks then. along with the best damage, and all pure str will be compleatly useless.

dude, go take a cold shower or something.

Did I say that? Ints' ice shield won't go but they still don't have the health to tank, but if a strength builds' ice shield won't go and still have a large majority of a pure strengths' health I see why not, which is why I'm gonna try it. I also never said pure strengths will be useless, their high health and high crit still kills like they did before. Don't put words in my mouth.

sronoob · Post by **sronoob** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:14 pm

shadowman20875 wrote:
Fly wrote:
shadowman20875 wrote:
Fly wrote::? wtf?

how exactly does a str hybrid tank better then a str? are you on drugs?

if ur reasoning behind it is that the str hybrid has the ice shield, well then thats the dumbest logic ever. i think all str chars will have it also. 60 ice costs almost nothing to get. and going 80 fire, 80 glavie, 80 lighting and 60 ice is easy to do. guess what the difference between 60 ice and 90 ice is in terms of mana shield. 60 ice is 40% absorbe. 90 ice is 53% absorbe.

if u drop fire for 90 ice and go with your silly hybrid str, you will lose HP, Crits, and 18% physical damage just to gain 13% absorbe for 10 or 20 seconds?

lay off the pot man.

No, my logic is the ice shield won't disappear after a good hit from the enemy and then you either have to waste time re-buffing or go without it the rest of the fight

let me guess then. ints will be the best tanks then. along with the best damage, and all pure str will be compleatly useless.

dude, go take a cold shower or something.

Did I say that? Ints' ice shield won't go but they still don't have the health to tank, but if a strength builds' ice shield won't go and still have a large majority of a pure strengths' health I see why not, which is why I'm gonna try it. I also never said pure strengths will be useless, their high health and high crit still kills like they did before. Don't put words in my mouth.

quite true, they ca tank, but a powerful europe mage or chinese mage nuke you, the shield is gone, cus ur mp cant afford the dmg to be reduced, and the 2min buff is gone... int can have it on for 2 mins but int can destory ur buff in 1 sec

EsQuiRe · Post by **EsQuiRe** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:34 pm

Im gonna have to go with Fly on this one. My friend had a lvl 80 hybrid glaive (bout 30 points into int) and even in protector he got beat my most pure str glaivers. When it comes to glaive or blade, go pure or go home. simple fact.

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:52 pm

EsQuiRe wrote:When it comes to glaive or blade, go pure or go home. simple fact.

QFT

shadowman20875 · Post by **shadowman20875** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:54 pm

XemnasXD wrote:
EsQuiRe wrote:When it comes to glaive or blade, go pure or go home. simple fact.

QFT

Guess we'll have to see about that... :twisted:

EvilDiablo · Post by **EvilDiablo** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:02 pm

shadowman20875 wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:
EsQuiRe wrote:When it comes to glaive or blade, go pure or go home. simple fact.

QFT

Guess we'll have to see about that...

+1 im on shadowman's side for this one

FluxFire · Post by **FluxFire** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:24 pm

Fly wrote:lay off the pot man.
No, my logic is the ice shield won't disappear after a good hit from the enemy and then you either have to waste time re-buffing or go without it the rest of the fight

let me guess then. ints will be the best tanks then. along with the best damage, and all pure str will be compleatly useless.

dude, go take a cold shower or something.

Can you like... humm.. cool down man? He's only stating his views on his character, is that so bad that you have to attack him like that? Calling him dumb for stating his opinion? Usually, people who do that are pretty dumb in the first place.

If you have an opinion to rebuke his, just state yours and try to keep it cool that way no one gets angry and goes to their own ring corners and no more communication that way.

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:01 pm

FluxFire wrote:
Fly wrote:lay off the pot man.
No, my logic is the ice shield won't disappear after a good hit from the enemy and then you either have to waste time re-buffing or go without it the rest of the fight

let me guess then. ints will be the best tanks then. along with the best damage, and all pure str will be compleatly useless.

dude, go take a cold shower or something.

Can you like... humm.. cool down man? He's only stating his views on his character, is that so bad that you have to attack him like that? Calling him dumb for stating his opinion? Usually, people who do that are pretty dumb in the first place.

If you have an opinion to rebuke his, just state yours and try to keep it cool that way no one gets angry and goes to their own ring corners and no more communication that way.

......theres nothing going on here its a discussion like arguing over your favorite football team....no ones getting mad or upset its just the way some ppl express there opinions....until they start using large colorized fonts and throwing pictures back and forth with massive quote chains filled with 1 word response like "anal" then we have nothing to worry about....

shadowman20875 · Post by **shadowman20875** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:04 pm

XemnasXD wrote:
FluxFire wrote:
Fly wrote:lay off the pot man.
No, my logic is the ice shield won't disappear after a good hit from the enemy and then you either have to waste time re-buffing or go without it the rest of the fight

let me guess then. ints will be the best tanks then. along with the best damage, and all pure str will be compleatly useless.

dude, go take a cold shower or something.

Can you like... humm.. cool down man? He's only stating his views on his character, is that so bad that you have to attack him like that? Calling him dumb for stating his opinion? Usually, people who do that are pretty dumb in the first place.

If you have an opinion to rebuke his, just state yours and try to keep it cool that way no one gets angry and goes to their own ring corners and no more communication that way.

......theres nothing going on here its a discussion like arguing over your favorite football team....no ones getting mad or upset its just the way some ppl express there opinions....until they start using large colorized fonts and throwing pictures back and forth with massive quote chains filled with 1 word response like "anal" then we have nothing to worry about....

says the man w/ the avy...

...and fly... that... really... hurt.... :cry:

IguanaRampage · Post by **IguanaRampage** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:15 pm

Lol they used to say bow was only for pure str before. Idk I actually like str hybrid glaive when I tried it, you just have to play it differently from pure str glaive. You gotta know your strengths and weaknesses. It's good for different things.
I still say go pure str for blade though.. or at least train the heuskal mastery up if you're gonna go str hybrid.

shadowman20875 · Post by **shadowman20875** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:19 pm

IguanaRampage wrote:Lol they used to say bow was only for pure str before. Idk I actually like str hybrid glaive when I tried it, you just have to play it differently from pure str glaive. You gotta know your strengths and weaknesses. It's good for different things.
I still say go pure str for blade though.. or at least train the heuskal mastery up if you're gonna go str hybrid.

Yeah, I'm adopting the int build everyone has in kSRO has, 90 light 90 cold 90 bich 30 spear

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:25 pm

shadowman20875 wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:
FluxFire wrote:
Fly wrote:lay off the pot man.
No, my logic is the ice shield won't disappear after a good hit from the enemy and then you either have to waste time re-buffing or go without it the rest of the fight

let me guess then. ints will be the best tanks then. along with the best damage, and all pure str will be compleatly useless.

dude, go take a cold shower or something.

Can you like... humm.. cool down man? He's only stating his views on his character, is that so bad that you have to attack him like that? Calling him dumb for stating his opinion? Usually, people who do that are pretty dumb in the first place.

If you have an opinion to rebuke his, just state yours and try to keep it cool that way no one gets angry and goes to their own ring corners and no more communication that way.

......theres nothing going on here its a discussion like arguing over your favorite football team....no ones getting mad or upset its just the way some ppl express there opinions....until they start using large colorized fonts and throwing pictures back and forth with massive quote chains filled with 1 word response like "anal" then we have nothing to worry about....

says the man w/ the avy...

William-CL · Post by **William-CL** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:30 pm

My bro is a lvl 4x str hybrid and it work pretty well for him.

hitokiri · Post by **hitokiri** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:31 pm

shadowman20875 wrote:
IguanaRampage wrote:Lol they used to say bow was only for pure str before. Idk I actually like str hybrid glaive when I tried it, you just have to play it differently from pure str glaive. You gotta know your strengths and weaknesses. It's good for different things.
I still say go pure str for blade though.. or at least train the heuskal mastery up if you're gonna go str hybrid.

Yeah, I'm adopting the int build everyone has in kSRO has, 90 light 90 cold 90 bich 30 spear

30 spear, the passive gives like 300hp or so doesnt it? would figure some other mastery to 30 may be more useful.

Jex · Post by **Jex** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:34 pm

Blackdragon6 wrote:My bro is a lvl 4x str hybrid and it work pretty well for him.

at 4x you can play just fine without putting stats into anything.

competition arises at the peak levels, and at the peak levels are there any str hybrids?

no, because they get killed off the instant they get even close to 50 where pvp becomes semi interesting.

shadowman20875 · Post by **shadowman20875** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:37 pm

Jex wrote:
Blackdragon6 wrote:My bro is a lvl 4x str hybrid and it work pretty well for him.

at 4x you can play just fine without putting stats into anything.

competition arises at the peak levels, and at the peak levels are there any str hybrids?

no, because they get killed off the instant they get even close to 50 where pvp becomes semi interesting.

You've played a 90 caped game?

Jex · Post by **Jex** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:41 pm

experience doesnt matter when you have common sense

i haven't had a character higher then 65 to date, but I've been around friends who have capped characters out the wazoo.

it doesnt take a genius to do the math.

shadowman20875 · Post by **shadowman20875** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:50 pm

Jex wrote:experience doesnt matter when you have common sense

i haven't had a character higher then 65 to date, but I've been around friends who have capped characters out the wazoo.

it doesnt take a genius to do the math.

/shake

Lots of things look good on paper, that's all I have to say.

Jex · Post by **Jex** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:54 pm

it's the paper calculations that got mankind into space in the first place, paper calculations helped invent motor engines, the vehicles that get us worldwide, not to mention this big fat sweries of tubes called the internet.

dont pass down a decent working on paper as a half assed math test from your local school.

William-CL · Post by **William-CL** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:55 pm

Jex wrote:
Blackdragon6 wrote:My bro is a lvl 4x str hybrid and it work pretty well for him.

at 4x you can play just fine without putting stats into anything.

competition arises at the peak levels, and at the peak levels are there any str hybrids?

no, because they get killed off the instant they get even close to 50 where pvp becomes semi interesting.

Does that mean your a sr Hybrid?