here is what i think about the way Joymax stoped ccfsng.

oktaytheazer · Post by **oktaytheazer** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:23 pm

* Restriction level = first weapon available per degree - 5 levels
Example: To purchase 8th degree Magic Stone of Astral, a user must at least be 64 (first weapon available for 8th degree) - 5 = 59 levels or higher.

so what if some hacker gets pass to some lvl 59+ acc and uses it to buy astral ?

th person charges back acc gets locked ?!?!!?!? wtf !!!!!!!!!

canakin · Post by **canakin** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:26 pm

oktaytheazer · Post by **oktaytheazer** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:30 pm

bump bum bump BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMPPPPPPP !!!!!!!!!

Smix · Post by **Smix** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:31 pm

if that happens then there is just 1 less stupid 5x-6x player

Doppleganger · Post by **Doppleganger** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:31 pm

Update didnt "stop" anything, it just slowed them down a little.

Godlikez · Post by **Godlikez** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:32 pm

supermix wrote:if that happens then there is just 1 less stupid 5x-6x player

thats tavern speak...

LuV3r8o1 · Post by **LuV3r8o1** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:36 pm

Doppleganger wrote:Update didnt "stop" anything, it just slowed them down a little.

+1

Stallowned · Post by **Stallowned** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:36 pm

They could hack and do chargeback on an account before this update...
Your point makes no sense.

Manowar · Post by **Manowar** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:43 pm

Stallowned wrote:They could hack and do chargeback on an account before this update...
Your point makes no sense.

The point hes trying to make is that now thats the only way to ccf w/o doing any work besides the hacking. Before you could just make a dummy account and ccf from there but w/ this lvl restriction u need lvl 59+ to get 8d astrals. And if you want to hack someone u dont like and ccf at the same time ur killing 2 birds w/ one stone.

oktaytheazer · Post by **oktaytheazer** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:43 pm

Stallowned wrote:They could hack and do chargeback on an account before this update...
Your point makes no sense.

what in my point dont u get ??

a palyer lvl 70 working his ass off and some fu.cke hackes him and buys astral with it and then the person the hacker stole the credit card from charges bk the players acc gets banned !!

what dont u get ??!!

Stallowned · Post by **Stallowned** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:20 pm

There's nothing I don't get, everything you are all describing could have been done before this update.

PsYch008 · Post by **PsYch008** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:26 pm

pointless posts ftw!

fa, la la la la la, sing a happy song, fa la la la la la sing it all day long...

dude, its not like more accounts are going to be hacked just so that they can do CCF from them for 8d shit...

come on now, lets use our brain in stead of :banghead:

<---smashing it into a wall.

Innovacious · Post by **Innovacious** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:27 pm

Stallowned wrote:There's nothing I don't get, everything you are all describing could have been done before this update.

did he say it couldnt have been done before the update?

ShizKnight · Post by **ShizKnight** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:10 pm

Innovacious wrote:
Stallowned wrote:There's nothing I don't get, everything you are all describing could have been done before this update.

did he say it couldnt have been done before the update?

No, but he's saying it can be done now to bypass the update, which really doesn't matter since it could already be done.

ally · Post by **ally** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:43 pm

PsYch008 wrote:dude, its not like more accounts are going to be hacked just so that they can do CCF from them for 8d shit...

lol dun be so naive. this guy i know that ccfs, saw this update, first thing he say was 'now i gotta talk to so and so (some keylogger/hacker/scammer w/e guy) to get me 59+ acc's to charge silk... im sure all the others are thinking the same. and b4 if ur high lvl char got hacked at least most of the time u jsut lost ur items and gold, which u can get all back, and still ahve your char you worked hard on , unless they got ur secret anwser. but now bb acc =\

and stallowned, it could have happened b4 the update ofcourse but most wont bother cuz its not nessary, creating a lvl 1 acc is easier then trying to keylog/brute force someones acc, but now they can't do that so they are looking for ways to get lvl 59+ accs to ccf on, they can bot them up to 59 in a couple weeks or less jsut to get banned or they can try to steal them from ppl which do you think they would do?

jt2005 · Post by **jt2005** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:59 pm

jus because they ccf dnt mean they know how to hack
and what u say makes no sense, if they knew how to hack accounts before the update they wudnt slow down or speed up hackin after the update
ccf means shit, dunno y u guys make such a big deal about it
so what if ccf ruins the ecconomy u adapt
surivival of the fittest
tbh u guys jus moan too much about ccf
why dnt u jus stop moaning, posting topics about this shit and play the game and hf(and if u say u dnt hf with ccf then go find another game, theres gonna be hardly anymore ccf compared to 2 days ago so stfu[and u guys were saying befora hw gms can stop ccf and now they have reduced it by 95%and u still moan ffs])

Kaigar · Post by **Kaigar** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:23 pm

Just my opinion, but if someone managed to hack a lvl 59+ account, wouldn't there be more profit in, maybe selling the account? (that is if they could keep it from being re-claimed)

I don't think anyone who came upon a character like that would waste it on however many astrals you can buy at once now... unless they REALLY hated the guy they hacked.

Slic · Post by **Slic** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:53 am

From my personal experience, (don't ask for details, you will not get any) 99.99% of hackers who try to get into something like an MMO game account are skill-less, insight-less wannabes and/or people with keyloggers/brute force crackers. You can easily avoid those two with some common sense.

With this in mind, think how much harder it is for a CCF-er to find a steady income of 8th degree atrals. Making a new account is infinitely easier than "hacking" into a person's account. I say "hacking" because we (or at least those who HAVE had experience w/ACTUAL HACKING) all know that keylogging and brute force isn't really HACKING.

Besides, I really doubt that an actual hacker, someone with insight/ungodly math skills/talent would waste their time hacking into MMO accounts. I know someone like Trinity would NEVER bother with low-profile shit like that.

ElfeR · Post by **ElfeR** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:59 am

Thats um.. kind of stupid hacking people to ccf? Besides if hackers were able to hack people before there would just be the same amount of accounts being hacked.

Also, why would a hacker ccf the account to get it banned when they can sell it for rl cash (like other people stated in the thread)

AllEyezOnMe · Post by **AllEyezOnMe** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:00 am

Lol, I know a CCFer already running 20 clientless bots to try and get them all lvl 59 and super price the silk now.

ElfeR · Post by **ElfeR** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:02 am

He can probably raise the price, but it depends on how much gold is worth in usd.
Gold farmers control the economy.