pc

[cin]

since like october last year i've been thinking of buying me
a desktop. i think i made a topic back then with a couple of
things i want to get. i've updated my list with some newer
parts. i definitely want the gfx card, and i definitely want
the processor (i've seen there's a newer one at 3ghz, the
Q9650, but that one is 50 euro more expensive).

i'm not a computer expert and i rarely build in anything
myself, but i'm going to build this one because when i let
a shop buy and build it for me it would cost me about 300
euro more. so can anyone tell me if this stuff is allright
and if it will all be compatible? (because i heard that the
motherboard sometimes gives problems when not compatible
with the other parts, but idk.)

[Azilius]

Everything looks compatible.
I'd skip the sound card for another HDD but that's just me. You should get a bit faster ram too since you're getting a high end processor, ddr2 is pretty cheap nowadays so it won't cost much more. The standard for your motherboard is 1200MHz and you've got 800..or that's what google told me with the part number =p

[cin]

Everything looks compatible.
I'd skip the sound card for another HDD but that's just me. You should get a bit faster ram too since you're getting a high end processor, ddr2 is pretty cheap nowadays so it won't cost much more. The standard for your motherboard is 1200MHz and you've got 800..or that's what google told me with the part number =p

so i'd need a different mobo?

and yeah, i guess i could go for a bit faster RAM. i basically took
the best buy guide from tweakers.net and updated it with my personal
fav gfx card and processor.

[cpinney]

no ur mobos fine hes saying you can get faster ram, ur mobo can handle 1200 but the ram you have is only 800.

[cin]

oh ok. i thought he meant i picked a wrong mobo

anywho, if nothing's wrong with it, then i'll probably be ordering
the parts next week. i just wanted to be sure that, when i put everything
in there, it works. because i don't want to spend a lot of money and
then find out it doesn't go together.

[Azilius]

Just sayin, if you're going with a more or less 'gamer' build, might as well get good ram =p

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as ... 6820220334
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as ... 6820231166

examples..both Canadian prices, not sure how much your ram costs or it's specs really

[Sharp324]

1066 is really only useful for over clocking, 800 is usually good enough for normal users. Now to wait for people to argue against it...

[Mousetrap]

Ho'kay, first of all.. if you're going to build a brand new pc I think you should look into the core i7 with some drr3 ram. (I'm getting this shit in August or September)

It's pretty much the next generation, but pretty expensive right now.

If not.. there's a few things I'd change with the current things you have; first off that ram is no good imo. The only brands you should even consider are:
1. Corsair
2. G. Skill
3. OCZ
(not in any particular order)

Get as high a frequency as your motherboard can handle, especially if you're going to overclock your CPU.

Next, Gigabyte motherboards have amazing onboard sound.. but if you really want a soundcard, go for it.

Lastly.. that aftermarket heatsink isn't the best, http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm
I ordered the sunbeam CCF and it should be here tomorrow depending on the weather.
I also ordered a WD 320GB hard drive :p

Might want to read some reviews of Club3D, I've never even heard of them.. but that video card is rape. I have a single GPU one and it runs amazingly.

[Azilius]

Vid card might be overkill if you're only using it for a 24", unless you plan on playing hardcore graphical games on max (crysis being the easiest example). I'd save myself 300$ and buy a single core 4870 but it depends on what you plan to do with it really.

[iGod]

I wouldn't bother with higher freq ram. Got myself 1066mhz modules for nothing, mobo puts them on 800 by default, when I change it BSODs, when I overclock cpu it doesn't bsod, but theres no change in performance for some reason. Weird pc but ye

[cpinney]

I wouldn't bother with higher freq ram. Got myself 1066mhz modules for nothing, mobo puts them on 800 by default, when I change it BSODs, when I overclock cpu it doesn't bsod, but theres no change in performance for some reason. Weird pc but ye

your mobo probably puts them on 800 because thats the highest it can handle.

[cin]

not planning on overclocking anything tbh lol.

and i've looked at that new intel, and also looked at the
Q9650 with its 3ghz, which i almost put in that list. but
i was like meh. is there really that much difference with
4 cores between a 2.8 and a 3.0?

and i'm getting the gfx card anyway idc if its overkill. i
just saw it and wanted it straight away.

[Mousetrap]

I wouldn't bother with higher freq ram. Got myself 1066mhz modules for nothing, mobo puts them on 800 by default, when I change it BSODs, when I overclock cpu it doesn't bsod, but theres no change in performance for some reason. Weird pc but ye

Three things could cause this;
Motherboard can't support that frequency
You need to overvoltage the ram to get it to post at 1066 (OCZ is a big failure at mentioning this for its products, usually the motherboard uses 1.8v, but you need like 2.1v)
Bad ram. Check with memtest.


That cooler if fine if you're not ganna overclock.. but idk, I'd at least go to 3.2ghz
Good luck with it, can't wait to get more parts for mine :d

[cin]

question.

i just saw that the estimated delivery time of my mobo would be
about 2 weeks. in the former best buy guide on that same site,
they used this asus mobo.

this asus mobo is also crossfireX and doesn't seem to have less
than the gigabyte one does. delivery time for the asus mobo is
tomorrow when the shop opens.

is it worth for me waiting for the gigabyte one, and even hope
that it arrives? (because they probably have to get it from abroad,
and when something goes wrong it might take up to 4 weeks)
or should i just go for the asus one and install the system with
that?

and about the soundcard, someone in this topic told me that some
times, onboard is good enough. this sound card is also quite hard
to get at the moment, anyone here can link me alternatives?

appreciate it<3

[Azilius]

p5q pro motherboard is fine, very common too. Also you don't need a soundcard, that motherboard has on board sound which sounds perfectly fine.

[XMoshe]

Hoeveel gaat dit kosten cin? Nu ik leuk baantje heb wil ik ook pc hale met wat leuke dingen erin zodat ik wat pc games kan spelen

*translation* how much is this going to cost cin? Now I got a job I want to buy a pc too hehe */translation*

[cin]

around 1600-1700 depends on where i'm getting the parts
and if i can pick em up or have to let them send em to
me.

[MiKe 51-50]

looks good, what your gonna be using it for?

[XMoshe]

Hmmm oki nvm xD 1.6k for a pc is a bit too much for me.

[cin]

looks good, what your gonna be using it for?

for gaming and working with 3d software

[StealMySoda]

I think you should decide whether its the gaming or the 3D software that is more important and then decide if you want a quadro FX (or whatever the modeling cards are called) or a gaming card.

Also for 'computability' use this, its really helpful. Obviously you don't have to buy from them, but it's good for putting it together.

BTW, with a budget so high, why not go for an i7? (Haven't read the topic fully, so sorry if its been discussed).

[cin]

3d software is more important, thats why i picked a quad core instead
of a dual core. the dual cores were still recommended for gaming pc's.

and the i7 or the q9550, i've thought about this for some time. i've
also looked at the 9650 which runs on 3ghz instead of 2,8. i just
wonder how big the difference would be and how well i would notice
it. and another thing, i looked at what parts are easy to get my hands
on. i dont want to order a pc then wait 2 or 3 weeks for some part to
be shipped here.

EDIT and the i7 has a diff socket so doesnt go on the mobo i picked lol

[StealMySoda]

The quads and the i7's run NOTHING alike clock for clock.
If the i7 was at the same clock speed as the 9550 then it would whoop it's ass a thousand times. And if the modelling is more important then you might want to get one made for that purpose, something like:
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/1GB-ATI-FireGL-V7350-PCI-E(x16)-512Bit-GDDR3-2xDual-Link-DVI-I-Stereo-Graphics-port-OEM(Brown-Box)

[cin]

The quads and the i7's run NOTHING alike clock for clock.
If the i7 was at the same clock speed as the 9550 then it would whoop it's ass a thousand times. And if the modelling is more important then you might want to get one made for that purpose, something like:
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/1GB-ATI-FireGL-V7350-PCI-E(x16)-512Bit-GDDR3-2xDual-Link-DVI-I-Stereo-Graphics-port-OEM(Brown-Box)

k.

still, the i7 cant go on my mobo. and since it does not run at the same clock speed
as the q9550, it doesn't whoop it's ass a thousand times. prices are quite similar
as well, so i rather go for a more developed quad than a brand new i.

and about the gfx card i already stated in my first post that im going to get the
4870x2. i wanted it first time i saw it so i'm going to get it. a card like that
cant be rubbish for modelling lol.

[StealMySoda]

I think you underestimate the power of the new i7 cores. @ stock clock it will pound the q9550 into the ground. Anyway, as you say your motherboard can't take it, so it's not much use discussing it .

Just make sure you get a case that's gonna have enough airflow to keep that 4870x2 cool, they run quite hot in the best of conditions.
And no, it won't be rubbish, but it's not 'optimized' for modelling, so won't be as efficient/nor as quick at rendering/whatever they do.

Other than that, I have the same CPU cooler and same HD and I'm very happy with them. Your power supply is probably 'just' about enough and I would go with a well known brand (Antec, OCZ to name a couple) and at least a 700w for the x2. And if you want to make your job a hell of a lot easier get a Modular PSU. I really wish I had I have cables flailing everywhere half of which I'm not using.

As for kingston ram, I would go with OCZ or Geir. Reviews for kingston are not the best, and my HyperX(made by them) is giving me a few headaches.

AND finally order the extra two tricool 120m fans for your with a couple air filters, with mine on low it makes a world of difference GPU idles at 39c and load at 65c. Rather than the 85 or so other people see with the same card as mine.

[cin]

I think you underestimate the power of the new i7 cores. @ stock clock it will pound the q9550 into the ground. Anyway, as you say your motherboard can't take it, so it's not much use discussing it .

Just make sure you get a case that's gonna have enough airflow to keep that 4870x2 cool, they run quite hot in the best of conditions.
And no, it won't be rubbish, but it's not 'optimized' for modelling, so won't be as efficient/nor as quick at rendering/whatever they do.

yeah i know the i7 would beat a q9550 otherwise they wouldnt have
made that new series of processors lol

and like i said, i just really want that 4870x2 ;] and it's always
tons better than my onboard 256mb gfx card in my 2,5 year old laptop

:3

[StealMySoda]

Edited my post, figure you would miss it, since you've already replied

[cin]

omg 120m fans where i get thum

[Azilius]

Using sodas site, just looked at a few. Some are wider than others, what I did was wait for my case then do the measurements and bought 2 extra fans. In most cases it does make a big difference to your temps.

http://www.scan.co.uk/Index.aspx?NT=1-0-8-244-0

[StealMySoda]

Using sodas site, just looked at a few. Some are wider than others, what I did was wait for my case then do the measurements and bought 2 extra fans. In most cases it does make a big difference to your temps.

http://www.scan.co.uk/Index.aspx?NT=1-0-8-244-0

My case came with 2 optional brackets for extra 120mm fans and by the looks of it Cin's is the same although a different model. He shouldn't need any extra case moding. I've ordered a PCI bracket hold up to 3 80mm fans to get some more flowing over/around my GPU.