We are losing.

[Barotix]

We are slacking and we are losing. Joymax doing weekly bot bans is not a reason to slack off. Many of you have capped, I understand that; but we have not won this war. Not by a long run. It has only been a few days and already, there are 4x Gold bots in China. The last time I was in Samarkand, I saw a gold bot by dark wolves. Botters and former legits are mocking Avalon&Co. (legits). We are bending over and taking it up the ass.

We are strong
We are few
We are Legit
Don't lose sight of how Venus was created, for that battle has not been won. We still have a long ways ahead of us and we need to concentrate on removing the botter menace.

Currently player bots are running their own gold bot and filling our server with their muck. Do you honestly think that Bot Traps should stop because Joymax is banning bots? When was the last time someone has done a bot trap? When was the last time one of the Bigger guilds ran a Bot Guild off the server? Where is the animosity? Do not forget where we are and what we're here to do.

So here is my suggestion:
We forget the past and move towards a better tomorrow. Together we can make this legit server a permanent reality, not just a temporary thrill.

1]Reform the alliance but ONLY for the sake of keeping botters down.
2]Daily bot traps.
3]PvP Training. Yes, training. Since this server is predominantly European (or so it seems), we must know not only how to grind, but also; how to fight. No more losing to botters, and no more barely winning wars.
4]When Botters Mock you, there are two things you can do. A]Don't respond, B]Respond. Once you respond, you must continue. If you stop halfway, then that will just be a win in the botters mind.
5]Calling botters out for PvP.
6]Making bots murder training.
7]We need some murder accounts. I suggest warlocks around 6x in NPC gear. They will be used to ruin bot plvls at ongs.

We need to make their life miserable. ALL OF US.

[k1ax]

Anything that the lower levels can do?

[SomeDoctor]

tip for you traders out there who wanna help out:

take 1 item and a horse and go to where the bots plvl at ongs....

hang around till you get a thief that uses earth shock...... AOE will hit up to 3 targets (you + 2 others) pretty neat for taking out those getting a plvl

[Argonaut]

Anything that the lower levels can do?

Level up.

[the_wicked]

I've been working 30-40 hrs a week. trying to get on when i can -.-

[keiichiz]

if maybe we could make a murder guild or bot life-ruining guild that would help i despise bots and ill do anything to helpp

[Blindfire]

I've been working 30-40 hrs a week. trying to get on when i can -.-

Excuses.

[Redd]

Anything that the lower levels can do?

low lvl bards 30+ can kill bot plvls at ongs with discord wave

[AkillerNXC]

I tried bot trapping in jangan once. I lasted about 10minutes. We got raped by 2 70+ nukers. =(

[nightbloom]

Fly and I bot trapped at Don this morning.... We did pretty well killing off the Q's and W's but then SHAWOO3 came in hunter and killed our thieves.

All the legits are either trader/hunter or too low as thieves to really help. Im willing to do it in the morning if anyone wants to help out as high level thieves to kill off the stupid bot hunters and traders, but they gotta be capped to do much good.

Oh yeah, I murdered SHAWOO3 after he killed my thieves. All the noobs cheered me on. It was cute.

[MrJoey]

Actually, quite a few of the BHA higher levels have switched to thief. Only one I know for sure is Grace, don't know who else switched.

[DarkBandit]

if maybe we could make a murder guild or bot life-ruining guild that would help i despise bots and ill do anything to helpp

il join murdur guild

[sirs1ayer]

this coming from the guy who didn't want to login because he didn't have silk... QQ

[DarkBandit]

nah ma wife (ur mum) baught me it yesterday

[foudre]

Anything that the lower levels can do?

low lvl bards 30+ can kill bot plvls at ongs with discord wave

or just use a return scroll grab a bunch of ongs go stand near a group of plvlees and scroll out, they'll then attack the plvl

[TheDrop]

well i dunno if i can effectively bot trap in jangan, but i can try ( if there are no thieves killing me ofc). atm im in a break tho :\

[foudre]

well i dunno if i can effectively bot trap in jangan, but i can try ( if there are no thieves killing me ofc). atm im in a break tho :\

send a message to Jade_Faclon i can help, get a ilght theif to spawn i take the loot wait for a light hunter to spawn and i go hit bots while they grind you stay at the gate

[Barotix]

this coming from the guy who didn't want to login because he didn't have silk... QQ

I don't see the relevance, maybe you were attempting to insult me in some way but as expected; it was a failure. If you want to "jab" someone make sure to do it properly. I didn't want to level a Chinese without silk; this topic is about strengthening the legit hold on Venus. I don't see the connection, but maybe that's just me. Then the "QQ"; as if I were crying? So I see your stance, good to know; way to contribute.

OnT: I think a group of bards and warlocks could really cause some chaos at the ongs. Warlocks can piss off botters when they PvP, with stun and sleep. If we make a level one guild full of naked locks and bards, I think we can put a serious cramp in the botter's style.

[AngloKnight]

oh yeah, 90 legit players slacking after getting capped... I'm considering quitting forever now.. no parties at all.. Yesterday i had to wait for like 2 hours to get a party working for a few mins... its soo lame.. now lots of tankers will be coming from generals, and all we got are lvl 7x wizzies that die while having fences on... its sooo sad...

[AkillerNXC]

oh yeah, 90 legit players slacking after getting capped... I'm considering quitting forever now.. no parties at all.. Yesterday i had to wait for like 2 hours to get a party working for a few mins... its soo lame.. now lots of tankers will be coming from generals, and all we got are lvl 7x wizzies that die while having fences on... its sooo sad...

*Cough. Powerleveling.

Anyways, problem is for a warlock to do any good they've got to be high lvl. Its almost impossible to put stun and sleep on people much higher then you.

nah ma wife (ur mum) baught me it yesterday

He was talking to Barotix.

When was the last time someone has done a bot trap? When was the last time one of the Bigger guilds ran a Bot Guild off the server?

Answer #1: Since I started on venus, I've only seen one. Though, probably just haven't really looked.
Answer #2: None in the last 2 months AFAIK.

[sirs1ayer]

this coming from the guy who didn't want to login because he didn't have silk... QQ

I don't see the relevance, maybe you were attempting to insult me in some way but as expected; it was a failure. If you want to "jab" someone make sure to do it properly. I didn't want to level a Chinese without silk; this topic is about strengthening the legit hold on Venus. I don't see the connection, but maybe that's just me. Then the "QQ"; as if I were crying? So I see your stance, good to know; way to contribute.

OnT: I think a group of bards and warlocks could really cause some chaos at the ongs. Warlocks can piss off botters when they PvP, with stun and sleep. If we make a level one guild full of naked locks and bards, I think we can put a serious cramp in the botter's style.

was saying, why don't you log in and do something?(or have you been) lol

anyway, The methods are known. just need people to do stuff.

[Barotix]

this coming from the guy who didn't want to login because he didn't have silk... QQ

I don't see the relevance, maybe you were attempting to insult me in some way but as expected; it was a failure. If you want to "jab" someone make sure to do it properly. I didn't want to level a Chinese without silk; this topic is about strengthening the legit hold on Venus. I don't see the connection, but maybe that's just me. Then the "QQ"; as if I were crying? So I see your stance, good to know; way to contribute.

OnT: I think a group of bards and warlocks could really cause some chaos at the ongs. Warlocks can piss off botters when they PvP, with stun and sleep. If we make a level one guild full of naked locks and bards, I think we can put a serious cramp in the botter's style.

was saying, why don't you log in and do something?(or have you been) lol

anyway, The methods are known. just need people to do stuff.

I've been on since Wednesday (or was it Tuesday?) The best I can do is grind, buy some globals, and insult those who insult legits. Going to hit 32 today, aiming for 42 by next week. By the time my ticket is done, I'll be 5x (6x if I grind off ticket time).

EDIT: I saw you last night, but you were afk sitting.

[TheDrop]

well i dunno if i can effectively bot trap in jangan, but i can try ( if there are no thieves killing me ofc). atm im in a break tho :\

send a message to Jade_Faclon i can help, get a ilght theif to spawn i take the loot wait for a light hunter to spawn and i go hit bots while they grind you stay at the gate

ok, but i will not be back till the 31st, maybe even later. thnx tho

[Blindfire]

I have a suggestion for Avalon, why not challenge bot guilds to a "loser leaves the server" war. You could even make it loser's union leaves. If you want to eradicate the bots that would be a great way to do it. Not many bot guilds would pass up a chance to make Avalon leave the server.

[Yasakira]

I have a suggestion for Avalon, why not challenge bot guilds to a "loser leaves the server" war. You could even make it loser's union leaves. If you want to eradicate the bots that would be a great way to do it. Not many bot guilds would pass up a chance to make Avalon leave the server.

Cause whoever loses will actually leave right...?

[Barotix]

I have a suggestion for Avalon, why not challenge bot guilds to a "loser leaves the server" war. You could even make it loser's union leaves. If you want to eradicate the bots that would be a great way to do it. Not many bot guilds would pass up a chance to make Avalon leave the server.

Cause whoever loses will actually leave right...?

Well, They'll either leave or their Union will disband.

@Blind, I think that's putting to much on the line. Avalon's great but if the bots take every 90 and put it into the guild Avalon will go up against, we'll have a run for our money.

[TheDrop]

I have a suggestion for Avalon, why not challenge bot guilds to a "loser leaves the server" war. You could even make it loser's union leaves. If you want to eradicate the bots that would be a great way to do it. Not many bot guilds would pass up a chance to make Avalon leave the server.

well its not like they will leave after losing the war :\. rather humuliate em by continually beating them in gws

[Blindfire]

Baro, it has been shown many times that it doesn't matter is the bot is 5 levels higher than the legit, they suck so bad that they lose anyway. Illusionist vs Albel is a good example, illu had to get 2 other level 90 bots to finally kill Albel.

[Barotix]

Baro, it has been shown many times that it doesn't matter is the bot is 5 levels higher than the legit, they suck so bad that they ose anyway. Illusionist vs Albel is a good example, illu had to get 2 other level 90 bots to finally kill Albel.

I totally forgot our botters suck at PvP. Stack em high Avalon&BHA. It's do or die time.

[Guardia]

oh yeah, 90 legit players slacking after getting capped... I'm considering quitting forever now.. no parties at all.. Yesterday i had to wait for like 2 hours to get a party working for a few mins... its soo lame.. now lots of tankers will be coming from generals, and all we got are lvl 7x wizzies that die while having fences on... its sooo sad...

I'm tired getting to 90. Give me some time to relax plz. I've spent soo much time getting to cap, i need to cover it back for now. Hope u understand. I'll be back soon.