Every euro is going warlock

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:12 am

Berto wrote:I'm a warlock cleric, hybrid int. I can take it down in a nuke >_>;

lol
warlock/cleric... no phy attack... ur dead against an ICE wall.

Barotix · Post by **Barotix** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:15 am

Toshiharu wrote:
Barotix wrote:
Toshiharu wrote:
Will a everyone have holy word/spell on? I think not. And besides you can get bleed through it and panic.(I think.. unless the spell wore off on that dude and my memory is bad)

Everyone won't have it, but if you have a cleric in your party Holy spell is guaranteed. http://www.konpaku.com.br/skill.asp?hab ... &skill=664

If you die, will you have holy word/spell on?(1min cool down ftw) I seen many clerics(my server) that just don't bother with word and only use spell.(Which seems reasonable since spell uses on his/herself+party)

Well... you're dead... so I'm gonna go out on a limb here and type... no

You can get panic, bleed, stun and something else (i forgot). Doing it theoretical will only lead to a long cycle of drawn out arguments. How about this: Warlocks have their weakness and so does every build, and you cannot write off the human element

Main problem I see is all the one versus, how often is it one vs one when it counts?

deep.in · Post by **deep.in** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:17 am

Practice > theory

All this talks are worthless untill you try it. Just my opinion :wink:

Berto · Post by **Berto** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:18 am

NuclearSilo wrote:
Berto wrote:I'm a warlock cleric, hybrid int. I can take it down in a nuke >_>;

lol
warlock/cleric... no phy attack... ur dead against an ICE wall.

Yah i've been faced against those conditions. When I fight against a 10k hp ice wall, I haul out my 1h and use bash and slash onto it with occasional cleric heals. It keeps me through the wall if I play my moves right and by the time it's down, they are easily taken down. I been faced under these conditions too (vs sosun sword), most of the time I do a quick curse when I see the opponent buffing the wall which would interrupt it. The wall is probably my weakest point but im working on it and perfecting my style.

deep.in wrote:Practice > theory

All this talks are worthless untill you try it. Just my opinion

I'd agree with this too, check out some other servers and watch the pvp. It'll be cool.

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:26 am

Berto wrote:Yah i've been faced against those conditions. When I fight against a 10k hp ice wall, I haul out my 1h and use bash and slash onto it with occasional cleric heals. It keeps me through the wall if I play my moves right and by the time it's down, they are easily taken down. I been faced under these conditions too (vs sosun sword), most of the time I do a quick curse when I see the opponent buffing the wall which would interrupt it. The wall is probably my weakest point but im working on it and perfecting my style.
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If that sosun user is not able to kill an euro in 1v1 while u need 30s to break the wall, then I think that noobie should delete his char.

strangelove · Post by **strangelove** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:27 am

NuclearSilo wrote:
I'm not sure you understand lol. I'll type keywords in caps this time, maybe it'll help.

Fire Wall has NO mag defense. It will just absorb the damage instead of being inflicted onto you. Since the Fire Wall is vulnerable to ANY magical attack, leveling a Warlock nuke would be enough to bring the Fire Wall down even if you're STR because it has NO DEFENSE. I'm not saying a STR player will have amazing magical damage- it won't - but against a Fire Wall, stats are irrelevant as long as the attack inflicting damage upon it is magic-based.

I understand it PERFECTLY. And I'm aware that it has no DEFENSE, but ABSORPTION. Because it's FIRE wall, only MAG attack can destroys it.
U are a STR, so u deal barely 1000 dmg to a wall 10000 HP.

(didnt test the dmg though, but im sure it's damn low)

I should've stopped my rebuttals when you said Warlock was useless lol. But for your amusement, here are some visual aids.

Fire Wall

Damage from my nuke

Do I win, or are you going to claim I'm some sort of hybrid now?

Berto · Post by **Berto** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:33 am

NuclearSilo wrote:
Berto wrote:Yah i've been faced against those conditions. When I fight against a 10k hp ice wall, I haul out my 1h and use bash and slash onto it with occasional cleric heals. It keeps me through the wall if I play my moves right and by the time it's down, they are easily taken down. I been faced under these conditions too (vs sosun sword), most of the time I do a quick curse when I see the opponent buffing the wall which would interrupt it. The wall is probably my weakest point but im working on it and perfecting my style.
.

If that sosun user is not able to kill an euro in 1v1 while u need 30s to break the wall, then I think that noobie should delete his char.

I hit like Im hitting about 1k+ damage on the wall with a 68 1h. Seeing is believing yo.

Mid08 · Post by **Mid08** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:36 am

i wish more ppl realised that warlock skills and debuffs were usefull. whenever i find a pt 2 play in, which is hard when 95% of pts on my server r taxis, every1 wants the str and int buffs instead of debuffs etc on enemies. and they complain if i want 2 play warlock instead of cleric. ive even been kicked from pts b4 cuz i only gave the def buffs and wanted 2 play warlock instead of giving int and str buffs.

but i dont like playing cleric in a pt unless its with my freinds. cuz in pt's with random ppl, all 7 of em complain 4 str and int, when i can only use each buff 4 times at once. i even had sum1 b4 keep asking me when i had already given it 2 him >.<
also clerics get tons of aggro after them cuz of the heals and healing division etc, and most other ppl only care about keeping their own char alive and dont seem 2 realise keeping the cleric alive might actually b a good idea. so im there running from tons of pt mobs and trying 2 heal every1 while every1 is 2 busy killing anything except the moobs chasing me..
at least with my 2 freinds that i play sro with we will sacrifice ourselves 2 save another 1 of us lol.

but despite that im glad i decided 2 change my char 2 warlock back when i got a sos warlock rod off about the 3rd movia i killed back on the 1st day the euro update came out lol. warlock ftw ;p

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:36 am

Read it again: HP 1100, Absortion 17% =.=

LvL 78 firewall:

HP 9700, Absortion 72%

5677 dmg to a 17% abs means 1231 dmg to 72% abs. Happy now?

Edit:
I dont have much time to post now. Just need some of u do some tests:
1. Test the Holy Spell at max level against the curses. If it's really a bug, plz write bug report to JM.
2. Test dmg pure STR nuke on Firewall lv 78
3. Test dmg pure INT normall dmg on Icewall lv 78.

strangelove · Post by **strangelove** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:48 am

NuclearSilo wrote:Read it again: HP 1100, Absortion 17% =.=

LvL 78 firewall:

HP 9700, Absortion 72%

5677 dmg to a 17% abs means 1231 dmg to 72% abs. Happy now?

I said before that I wasn't pointing out how much damage a STR nuke can do, but that it is very much possible and very probable that a STR is able to destroy a Fire Wall even with a low magical balance. I wanted to try the nuke on a full farmed Fire wall but no one had one at the time. It takes MAX 6-7 seconds to take a full-farmed Fire Wall down. My Warlock nuke is one of the many magic-based attacked I have as well (mainly DoT skills). But if you chose to believe that a Fire Wall automatically makes a STR useless, then more power to you.

By the way, I could always leave the archer's range lol. They're going to either be forced to step out of the Fire Wall or remain there not able to attack and not being attacked.

Chess · Post by **Chess** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:08 am

Can't stun cast before a wall is up anyways in effect stopping the attack or forcing you to have wall up and sit still which only really works if your a nuker or a bow and will make any crossbow user dominate you. I only have low level warlock experience but for me it worked far better vs ints than vs str.

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:26 am

Wow that sucks for me, I made a cleric/wizard yesterday in Venus, already lvl 15

Vindicator · Post by **Vindicator** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:27 am

NuclearSilo wrote:
Vindicator wrote:Since you fail miserably in theory, at least you came up with a scenario.

First of all, this is either a pussy pvp because he needs a cleric, or job war, in which case my focus is not to kill him, but to allow the others to kill him much faster.

Since your in a fire wall, im going to go warrior and put upmy defensive buffs in the rare case you get extremly lucky. From there, i will sprint assault. Since you have the farthest range, you kb me before i can use sprint, no biggy because when your strong bow is charging, i can sprint that entire distance and stun you or kb you, to cancel your strong bow. If i fail to stu or kb (very unlikely in my experience) your attack will do around 500 dmg to me. At this point i shield bash you. The chances of you escaping stun, and kb from sprint, and the kb from shield bash is amazingly low. The second either of these occurs, i have my warlock rod out. If your not stunned, i will stun you since i have 2 stun skills, It wont be hard. Ill also spam kb on you. My kb coupled with 2 stuns is > your kb. From here, im just going to put panic on you, and you cant pot your hp fast enough to live in a job war.

edit: o ya, since i cam spam vampire touch and kiss to leech your life away and keep mine full, I wont be dieing anytime soon with 1332 phy def and 1657 mag def

OK sir. U are teaching me something new again. When did a KB work when a Wall is put on? And u didnt really answer the part how could u break a firewall if u are a STR with a lowest mag balance ever see.

There are two ways to break a fire wall. Warrior sprint assault breaks it, and so does magical damage. Since the fire wall has no mag defense, it is hit like a mangan, and a lvl 72+5 warlock rod does a couple k dmg. Just attack it with a magic skill and its gone.

Nuclear, have you even played sro lately? Do you have ANY remote, minute ounce of experience with a cleric, warlock or warrior? Do you even understand the game beyond what stats on a website tell you? As someone said before, practice > theory, and everyone here with credible experience in the matter is telling you that you are wrong.

BalkanFanaticS · Post by **BalkanFanaticS** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:40 am

NuclearSilo wrote:
Berto wrote:I'm a warlock cleric, hybrid int. I can take it down in a nuke >_>;

lol
warlock/cleric... no phy attack... ur dead against an ICE wall.

where is that dead lol he can cast an offering on ur sorry azz

BalkanFanaticS · Post by **BalkanFanaticS** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:41 am

1. Test the Holy Spell at max level against the curses. If it's really a bug, plz write bug report to JM.

and whats that about ? :shock:

BloodOwnzzz · Post by **BloodOwnzzz** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:55 am

/yawn... A lot of failure in this thread and I've barely read it, all I really did was look at fug_dup's screens and figured you guys are talking about Walls...

Walls mean shit to any Warlock, nuff said. The only reason people are going Warlock secondary is to be good at 1v1. As far as secondaries go, Warlock does not provide any further value outside of 1v1. Warlock primary however does provide good support, but that hardly matters when we are talking about secondaries. It is really just a fad going around ATM. Not really as useful as it seems. 1v1 with Warrior I have to admit is a good combo but aside from that it is just stupid to make. But I'm not going to strain myself hard this time. This is a complex subject and I don't feel like typing a lot. Oh and on top of it being bad most of the time, as a secondary, it costs a shitload more SP than Cleric or Bard...

Vindicator · Post by **Vindicator** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:59 am

BloodOwnzzz wrote:/yawn... A lot of failure in this thread and I've barely read it, all I really did was look at fug_dup's screens and figured you guys are talking about Walls...

Walls mean shit to any Warlock, nuff said. The only reason people are going Warlock secondary is to be good at 1v1. As far as secondaries go, Warlock does not provide any further value outside of 1v1. Warlock primary however does provide good support, but that hardly matters when we are talking about secondaries. It is really just a fad going around ATM. Not really as useful as it seems. 1v1 with Warrior I have to admit is a good combo but aside from that it is just stupid to make. But I'm not going to strain myself hard this time. This is a complex subject and I don't feel like typing a lot. Oh and on top of it being bad most of the time, as a secondary, it costs a shitload more SP than Cleric or Bard...

Speaking of failure, your the biggest one so far because the majority of the topic disproves you entirely. Again, another player with no warlock experience making assumptions.

Berto · Post by **Berto** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:16 am

Vindicator wrote:
BloodOwnzzz wrote:/yawn... A lot of failure in this thread and I've barely read it, all I really did was look at fug_dup's screens and figured you guys are talking about Walls...

Walls mean shit to any Warlock, nuff said. The only reason people are going Warlock secondary is to be good at 1v1. As far as secondaries go, Warlock does not provide any further value outside of 1v1. Warlock primary however does provide good support, but that hardly matters when we are talking about secondaries. It is really just a fad going around ATM. Not really as useful as it seems. 1v1 with Warrior I have to admit is a good combo but aside from that it is just stupid to make. But I'm not going to strain myself hard this time. This is a complex subject and I don't feel like typing a lot. Oh and on top of it being bad most of the time, as a secondary, it costs a shitload more SP than Cleric or Bard...

Speaking of failure, your the biggest one so far because the majority of the topic disproves you entirely. Again, another player with no warlock experience making assumptions.

Agreed with Vind. :roll:

BloodOwnzzz · Post by **BloodOwnzzz** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:18 am

Lulz... Good luck debuffing someone with your Warrior/Warlock and having all your party buffs fall then!

William-CL · Post by **William-CL** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:45 am

Nitesh wrote:Wow that sucks for me, I made a cleric/wizard yesterday in Venus, already lvl 15

That's not bad if you wanna lower it. Just get to 20 and do The curse heart quest

phulshof · Post by **phulshof** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:08 am

Astra wrote:And about the pills against dull and bleed.
Are you sure you gonna have the time to use them @ FW? It's a slaughter house there and you gonna care about those pills.

Actually, since I'm fully immune to other effects I tend to activate the special pills in my autopill special status bar when I war. It works out quite nicely.

tehfireman · Post by **tehfireman** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:11 am

yea true a ton of warlocks now

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:40 am

Vindicator wrote:There are two ways to break a fire wall. Warrior sprint assault breaks it, and so does magical damage. Since the fire wall has no mag defense, it is hit like a mangan, and a lvl 72+5 warlock rod does a couple k dmg. Just attack it with a magic skill and its gone.

Nuclear, have you even played sro lately? Do you have ANY remote, minute ounce of experience with a cleric, warlock or warrior? Do you even understand the game beyond what stats on a website tell you? As someone said before, practice > theory, and everyone here with credible experience in the matter is telling you that you are wrong.

I dont know why u are talking about defense. No wall has any defense but absorption. Mind to explain more? And why u are talking about mangyang?

destructionmama · Post by **destructionmama** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:01 am

thx to this thread now everyone is gonna make a warlock

Guys we're not special no more

_pepsicanul · Post by **_pepsicanul** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:20 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:lol
warlock/cleric... no phy attack... ur dead against an ICE wall.

warlock/cleric against ICE wall can use:
-dots like bleeding and dull
-the 2 nukes
-Offering from cleric mastery to 1 shot the ICE WALL guy
-all atack skills from cleric mastery (including absolute damage ones)
-switch to xbow or any phy damage weapon to breake it (tested it)if ICE wall is weak.
-keep distance while dots are doing their effect and stunn/curse when player leave the ICE wall.

warlock/cleric against HolySpell/HolyWord
-dots like bleeding and dull
-the 2 nukes
-Offering from cleric mastery to 1 shot
-all atack skills from cleric mastery (including absolute damage ones)
-the 2 stunn spells
-Wheel Bind (Panic)
-Vampire Kiss,Vampire Touch (absolute damage+HP leeching)
-shield trash if warlock has warrior mastery lvl 10.

If you are chinese and have HolySpell/Holy word from a cleric , then fight it is 2 vs 1 so I will balance it 2 vs 2 with warrior buffs on me for exemple. Its useless to start now a non-ending theory of party vs party fight.

NuclearSilo will always find out cons no matter how many pros ppl gona give to him.

Thanks to Nuclear ppl will learn from this thread how to use to a high potential their warlock mastery.

off topic:Nuclear see ya in Rohan - there is nothing good left to discrover in sro . a++ :wink:

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:35 pm

Baa, dont advertise game with me. Im spending time on the programming stuffs

Btw, NuclearSilo char is currently inactive in hiGhrollerZ guild. If anywant wants it, pm me (must be a well-known member)

On topic:
Why do ppl keep saying that a nuke can break an ice wall? If I remember correctly, since the Euro expansion, the way wall act was different than before.

ONLY mag attack can break a FIRE wall. If the wall receive phy attack, the damage is transfer to the player, the wall stay intact with full HP.

ONLY phy attack can break an ICE wall. If the wall receive mag attack, the damage is transfer to the player, the wall stay intact with full HP.

Nuke is mag attack, therefore cant break ICE wall

Nitro · Post by **Nitro** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:49 pm

Snoopy wrote:My Lv64 Warlock/Cleric, is awesome. I can reasonably easily kill Lv80's with it!

70x are no problems.

Video = http://youtube.com/watch?v=NEZ36Ls_IwU

=]. They're not worthless, they can kill easily!

Dude ... you werent attacked even once in that video... You debuff and kill with offering ...
come on lol ... You killed lv.77 nuker with 4k hp ... woah gg

Vindicator · Post by **Vindicator** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:03 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:
Vindicator wrote:There are two ways to break a fire wall. Warrior sprint assault breaks it, and so does magical damage. Since the fire wall has no mag defense, it is hit like a mangan, and a lvl 72+5 warlock rod does a couple k dmg. Just attack it with a magic skill and its gone.

Nuclear, have you even played sro lately? Do you have ANY remote, minute ounce of experience with a cleric, warlock or warrior? Do you even understand the game beyond what stats on a website tell you? As someone said before, practice > theory, and everyone here with credible experience in the matter is telling you that you are wrong.

I dont know why u are talking about defense. No wall has any defense but absorption. Mind to explain more? And why u are talking about mangyang?

Since you insist on flame baiting, you truly are the most ignorant, pathetic kid here. you finally realize that your random spewings are some disillusioned fantasy of yours and everyone has proved you wrong. Either you are just plain too stupid to be able to read, or too ignorant to understand anything anyone has said in this topic.

NuclearSilo wrote:No wall has any defense but absorption.

Vindicator wrote:Since the fire wall has no mag defense

Once again, your powers of reading, or lack thereof, have failed you miserably.

NuclearSilo wrote:And why u are talking about mangyang?

Now I'm convinced that you have no sro experience. Since your clueless to the game, a mangyang is a lvl 1 mob, outside of jangan, and it has virtually no defense, so when you hit it, your damage is not resisted by defense or absorption. Even a pure str warrior, using a warlock rod, will do high damage to a mangan. The damage done to a mangyan is comparable to the damage done to fire walls. A warlock can EASILY break apart a fire wall with magical attacks.

Once again,

Vindicator wrote:Nuclear, have you even played sro lately? Do you have ANY remote, minute ounce of experience with a cleric, warlock or warrior? Do you even understand the game beyond what stats on a website tell you? As someone said before, practice > theory, and everyone here with credible experience in the matter is telling you that you are wrong.

BloodOwnzzz · Post by **BloodOwnzzz** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:08 pm

Vindicator you are baed...

I'm guessing all walls are supposed to be Lvl 1 then, no one can have them farmed that would just be stupid...

I agree with you that walls mean nothing but you are just being stupid...

I feel like you've never experienced someone with a high level wall as a Warlock...

Barotix · Post by **Barotix** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:09 pm

Vindicator wrote:
NuclearSilo wrote:
Vindicator wrote:There are two ways to break a fire wall. Warrior sprint assault breaks it, and so does magical damage. Since the fire wall has no mag defense, it is hit like a mangan, and a lvl 72+5 warlock rod does a couple k dmg. Just attack it with a magic skill and its gone.

Nuclear, have you even played sro lately? Do you have ANY remote, minute ounce of experience with a cleric, warlock or warrior? Do you even understand the game beyond what stats on a website tell you? As someone said before, practice > theory, and everyone here with credible experience in the matter is telling you that you are wrong.

I dont know why u are talking about defense. No wall has any defense but absorption. Mind to explain more? And why u are talking about mangyang?

Since you insist on flame baiting, you truly are the most ignorant, pathetic kid here. you finally realize that your random spewings are some disillusioned fantasy of yours and everyone has proved you wrong. Either you are just plain too stupid to be able to read, or too ignorant to understand anything anyone has said in this topic.

NuclearSilo wrote:No wall has any defense but absorption.

Vindicator wrote:Since the fire wall has no mag defense

Once again, your powers of reading, or lack thereof, have failed you miserably.

NuclearSilo wrote:And why u are talking about mangyang?

Now I'm convinced that you have no sro experience. Since your clueless to the game, a mangyang is a lvl 1 mob, outside of jangan, and it has virtually no defense, so when you hit it, your damage is not resisted by defense or absorption. Even a pure str warrior, using a warlock rod, will do high damage to a mangan. The damage done to a mangyan is comparable to the damage done to fire walls. A warlock can EASILY break apart a fire wall with magical attacks.

Once again,
Vindicator wrote:Nuclear, have you even played sro lately? Do you have ANY remote, minute ounce of experience with a cleric, warlock or warrior? Do you even understand the game beyond what stats on a website tell you? As someone said before, practice > theory, and everyone here with credible experience in the matter is telling you that you are wrong.

Communication barriers suck. I'll be the third party mediator:

Nuclear is talking about the max level fire/ice wall at level 80. You guys appear to be talking about the level 1 fire/ice wall. Refer to absorbtion. There is a distinct way absorption works in this game (e.g.) a certain amount of damage won't hit the user, it is just absorbed and in this game when something is absorbed it doesn't make contact with the user. Its like a certain amount of your damage was chopped off.

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