would a blader with lvl 30 snow shield survive a wizard?
are force blader any good? I was thinking about something like 90 force 90 blade 90 fire 30 cold
stacking status with chain, smash and vital. would it be useful in a team fight? setting down some therapy and mass healing /debuffing / curing party?
give me opinions, im bored and I have a blader on my account wich I might start to play with again.
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basicaly I was thinking of getting him hybrid on 10 int lvl so I could keep snow shield 23% all the time. and when new shield skill come I would be able to use it and get some nice damage with load of debuff well it would be like a chinese 1h/warlock
the only build you should force with should be bowman, bladers in my opinion should be total tanks, some would disagree but you tell me you don't agree when you can tank yarkan with like 80 cold
Search for force bladers vids, they pwn Also, if you can, contact Undutchable, he knows alot about force bladers, because he have hybrid force blader I was gonna try force on my blader, but, nvm
bLuE_fLaMe wrote:the only build you should force with should be bowman, bladers in my opinion should be total tanks, some would disagree but you tell me you don't agree when you can tank yarkan with like 80 cold
Agreed. Since you are sacrificing light the fact that you have range makes up for it.
Theres many other reasons to pick bow instead of blade, but im sure its obvious enough.
this is relevent to me, i'm making one now but i'm not sure what elements to go for exactly, i know 80 bi and 80 force for sure, i was thinking fire 80 as well but idk i'm liking ice more and more. any one got some advice on this line
A man once said, "Fear is contagious". So then the same must hold true for courage. The Roar of a Crowd begins with one man.
foudre wrote:this is relevent to me, i'm making one now but i'm not sure what elements to go for exactly, i know 80 bi and 80 force for sure, i was thinking fire 80 as well but idk i'm liking ice more and more. any one got some advice on this line
I have said this to several Future Force users and I'm sure Mr. Fudge can back me up on this: Force is best for hybrid, because it reduces both physical and magical dmg. If you're pure str with Force the dmg you do will increase based mostly on the physical debuff (lvl 70). If you're pure int the dmg you do will increase mostly based on the magical debuff (lvl 80).
For a (?Hybrid or Str?) Blader who uses force i would go for light: Force 80/Light 80/ Bicheon 80.
Any force build is best as a Light Str Hybrid with Light/Force/Weapon.
foudre wrote:this is relevent to me, i'm making one now but i'm not sure what elements to go for exactly, i know 80 bi and 80 force for sure, i was thinking fire 80 as well but idk i'm liking ice more and more. any one got some advice on this line
I have said this to several Future Force users and I'm sure Mr. Fudge can back me up on this: Force is best for hybrid, because it reduces both physical and magical dmg. If you're pure str with Force the dmg you do will increase based mostly on the physical debuff (lvl 70). If you're pure int the dmg you do will increase mostly based on the magical debuff (lvl 80).
For a (?Hybrid or Str?) Blader who uses force i would go for light: Force 80/Light 80/ Bicheon 80.
Any force build is best as a Light Str Hybrid with Light/Force/Weapon.
Force needs an imbue of some sort
hmm i agree force does need an imbue i mean at higher caps i see force being completly dead.
Light for my main? i dind't really think about that, but right now i'm pure str but i'm seriously considering going hybrid, at lvl 24 its not too late to change i'll be hybrid by lvl 40, if i change. But i'm sp farming so i got a lot of time to think
A man once said, "Fear is contagious". So then the same must hold true for courage. The Roar of a Crowd begins with one man.
foudre wrote:this is relevent to me, i'm making one now but i'm not sure what elements to go for exactly, i know 80 bi and 80 force for sure, i was thinking fire 80 as well but idk i'm liking ice more and more. any one got some advice on this line
I have said this to several Future Force users and I'm sure Mr. Fudge can back me up on this: Force is best for hybrid, because it reduces both physical and magical dmg. If you're pure str with Force the dmg you do will increase based mostly on the physical debuff (lvl 70). If you're pure int the dmg you do will increase mostly based on the magical debuff (lvl 80).
For a (?Hybrid or Str?) Blader who uses force i would go for light: Force 80/Light 80/ Bicheon 80.
Any force build is best as a Light Str Hybrid with Light/Force/Weapon.
Force needs an imbue of some sort
hmm i agree force does need an imbue i mean at higher caps i see force being completly dead.
Light for my main? i dind't really think about that, but right now i'm pure str but i'm seriously considering going hybrid, at lvl 24 its not too late to change i'll be hybrid by lvl 40, if i change. But i'm sp farming so i got a lot of time to think
Note: as an imbue Fire does more dmg consistently. Light is sporadic. I was thinking of making a Fire glaive again. Warrior is just so boring, and i miss solo play.
But by taking light your sacrificing the 3 most important buffs: fire immunity, fire mag defence and phy increase
Even as a light pure str you still are dealing a majority of damage from your phy attacks. By sacrificing fire you loose a hel of a lot of damage that wont be compensated my lights magic attack increase.
Now as a str dominant build * even a str hybrid* u have naturally lower magical defence. Without that magical defense fire buff your practically saying " hey wizard, wanna 1 shot me?"
Also no immunity? Unless you can get a cleric you will get frozen to death all day
As i said a while ago and as my current planned build is ( for 90 cap) 90 bow 90 force 90 fire 30 cold. For this cap 80 bow 80 fire 80 force 60 light
I would never go str hybrid unless i had light, but to get light you sacrifice fire which imo is more important.
Last edited by tedtwilliger on Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.
tedtwilliger wrote:But by taking light your sacrificing the 3 most important buffs: fire immunity, fire mag defence and phy increase
Even as a light pure str you still are dealing a majority of damage from your phy attacks. By sacrificing fire you loose a hel of a lot of damage that wont be compensated my lights magic attack increase.
Now as a str dominant build * even a str hybrid* u have naturally lower magical attack. Without that magical defense fire buff your practically saying " hey wizard, wanna 1 shot me?"
Also no immunity? Unless you can get a cleric you will get frozen to death all day
As i said a while ago and as my current planned build is ( for 90 cap) 90 bow 90 force 90 fire 30 cold. For this cap 80 bow 80 fire 80 force 60 light
I would never go str hybrid unless i had light, but to get light you sacrifice fire which imo is more important.
I will have to look into (dis)advantages of Fire trees and Light trees before i can give any further advice.
tedtwilliger wrote:But by taking light your sacrificing the 3 most important buffs: fire immunity, fire mag defence and phy increase
Even as a light pure str you still are dealing a majority of damage from your phy attacks. By sacrificing fire you loose a hel of a lot of damage that wont be compensated my lights magic attack increase.
Now as a str dominant build * even a str hybrid* u have naturally lower magical attack. Without that magical defense fire buff your practically saying " hey wizard, wanna 1 shot me?"
Also no immunity? Unless you can get a cleric you will get frozen to death all day
As i said a while ago and as my current planned build is ( for 90 cap) 90 bow 90 force 90 fire 30 cold. For this cap 80 bow 80 fire 80 force 60 light
I would never go str hybrid unless i had light, but to get light you sacrifice fire which imo is more important.
hmm ya keeping fire seams best, that video i never saw the guy using ice at all, so i guess 80 bi, 80 force, 80 fire, and 60 light, my real debate was light over ice? but since i dont' plan on using garments i dont' really need the ice to compensate for my lower physical defense just the snow sheild thingy is what make me debate light or ice
A man once said, "Fear is contagious". So then the same must hold true for courage. The Roar of a Crowd begins with one man.
for cold u cant really take much over 20 odd % snow shield. so 30 cold would suffice. So putting cold up to 60 for this cap? no point really when 60 light would give u enough speed and parry buffs etc
Now for the 90 cap, what does 39 light give you? not a lot really. the speed buff isnt much, you dont get phantom and the parry buffs aren't much. But cold would still give you that 23% snow shield you want and need.
Thats how im planning to make mine. Though this thread has got me thinking whether i should take bich as opposed to pach.. i can see where the advantages of bich are shinning through..
for cold u cant really take much over 20 odd % snow shield. so 30 cold would suffice. So putting cold up to 60 for this cap? no point really when 60 light would give u enough speed and parry buffs etc
Now for the 90 cap, what does 39 light give you? not a lot really. the speed buff isnt much, you dont get phantom and the parry buffs aren't much. But cold would still give you that 23% snow shield you want and need.
Thats how im planning to make mine. Though this thread has got me thinking whether i should take bich as opposed to pach.. i can see where the advantages of bich are shinning through..
so you recomend 30 ice and light? idk the speed buffs dont' bother me too much the phantom walk kind of i would like, and if i'm getting pounded that could really save me, and make up for my lack of range. this is hard to decide speed/dmg vs defense
A man once said, "Fear is contagious". So then the same must hold true for courage. The Roar of a Crowd begins with one man.
Why do u want to go hybrid though? You already have the mp increase passive from force so tanking with that 23% snow shield is no problem.
You dont have light so by getting that extra bit of intl, you dont get the magic increase buff to make it effective to use.
By staying pure you have more hp, which allows and ussually give you another chance to use a cure spell. You already have fire's magical defense increase so you hardly need the extra intl for the magic defense.
Also by being a hybrid you lose phy attack power, meaning your phy attack power buff becomes less effective
This is just how i see i but everyone has a different opinion on it. If you want to be more original go hybrid i suppose.
tedtwilliger wrote:Why do u want to go hybrid though? You already have the mp increase passive from force so tanking with that 23% snow shield is no problem.
You dont have light so by getting that extra bit of intl, you dont get the magic increase buff to make it effective to use.
By staying pure you have more hp, which allows and ussually give you another chance to use a cure spell. You already have fire's magical defense increase so you hardly need the extra intl for the magic defense.
Also by being a hybrid you lose phy attack power, meaning your phy attack power buff becomes less effective
This is just how i see i but everyone has a different opinion on it. If you want to be more original go hybrid i suppose.
really when i made this charector i was wanting to try a force blader or a sword hybrid nuker, i mean i've settled on blader, i guess the desire to try the hybrid is still there
[BH]Malicious wrote:This is a Force Archer SP Farming:
thats hardly a well farmed force, you could at least have decided you wanted to be able res if you are getting the mastery, and the cure theropy, or you know use the expensive pills
A man once said, "Fear is contagious". So then the same must hold true for courage. The Roar of a Crowd begins with one man.
Honestly, I'm a cleric and I fight bladers all the time. They are extremely annoying.
I'm lvl 74 but a lvl 80 blader can't kill me without a few crits on his stabs. But I can't kill one without getting a good offering off or clean shots with my other 3 attacks which then it becomes a pot war. And even some times that damn block or KD stops me from killing one.
I would say it depends on which build a blader is fighting.
But a force pure str blader, I think they could kill a cleric, warrior and so forth just based on how annoying those debuffing vital spot are. But that is just my opinion so don't take it to heart .
80 full farmed wiz wif int4/5 on all parts of gear, +5 staff does 17k dmg on me wif meteor when i was 76, all my gears are str5 and int5 and +5 but i was w/o 77 full pimped chest part (which is the major defense part)
so counting in the stats points i will get fr 77-80 + my 77 chest, i would believe 80 wiz cant 1 hit me, but will take away at least 75-80% of my hp wif 1 hit
found some aim in life, something more important waiting for me
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