Official Heroes of Newerth Thread

[Skyve]

Yeah, I must say this game's community is definitely not the best I've seen. Even when you're in a NOOB game, you still get people screaming "OMFG WTF NOOB!" -________-

That's what I mean. I don't know if you were talking about me, Ex, but I'm not bashing HoN...it's just that EVERY game I've gotten into is comprised 3/4ths of these people.

Nah,talking to Love

[Mirosuke]

lol who said it was a great comunity? just get used to... still, you'll find awesome people out there. that's for sure.

[TOloseGT]

<----awesome person

[Skyve]

What I'v learned on HoN today ; Chronos farmed is

[MasterKojito]

Well the thing is, "noobs only" games are basically average players that try to pwn noobs. It's pretty lame, but that's how it is. Once you get the hang of the game and you can start playing in "noobs allowed, usually these ones have less retards.

I don't know, maybe try playing with people you know. Maybe try making your own games and checking peoples stats and keeping only people that have played no games or a few (kick everyone else). When I started playing HON I had no DoTa experience, so I was totally new to the game. I remember my first game really clearly. I was so bad. My record for feeding in one game is 20 deaths, lol.

Now after roughly 800+ games, I'm hovering around 1650 psr. I can say so myself that I'm an okay player. I can play most heroes pretty well. However my k.dr is really shit. My advice is to find a hero you like, read up some guides about him/her and try to have some fun.

[Skyve]

I managed to find some players from my hometown to play HoN with. HoN + friends = fun

[CrimsonNuker]

Yeah, I must say this game's community is definitely not the best I've seen. Even when you're in a NOOB game, you still get people screaming "OMFG WTF NOOB!" -________-

Apparently DotA's is even worse.

Worst I've ever seen.

[Skyve]

I got a sexy K/D ration of 2:1 baby =P Wonder how long this will last xD

[bakafish]

Uh Soldier you were PMing me right, I can't see the message lol. I pressed F6 and it didn't show the chat box like before. Almost got killed for doing that.

[MasterKojito]

I play for fun :p

[Skyve]

Uh Soldier you were PMing me right, I can't see the message lol. I pressed F6 and it didn't show the chat box like before. Almost got killed for doing that.

Sorry

I play for fun :p

Your avatar,I see what you did there W/e mine just a placeholder for an awesome one comming from Mirosuke,some day

[Barotix]

@Barotix: Exactly,players in the "DotA community" aren't looking for a brand new game,they want a game similar to theirs,but with better features. Thats what HoN wanted.They could of have made a different game...but thats not their goal HoN was smart about it,they got a huge playerbase just from DotA fans,and thats why HoN will be more succesful then LoL ever will

To make it short, HoN took a great game,and made it ever better with many features such as Leaver Protection,Constant Updates,VoIP etc.

>>Implying LoL does not have leaver "protection" or constant updates, VoIP is something Riot will be adding "soon" along with draft mode, ranked games, and regular cash tournies. I believe there was a Tourney when LoL was still in Beta & several events, including PAX. I hope by leaver protection you don't mean vote kick. When one d/c from a game they can reconnect right away, you cannot really leave a game in LoL. It won't let you. How's your matchmaker, or should I type "lack of" a matchmaker. FYI, we get an update every 2 weeks on a Thursday. Lately these updates have been coming with a new hero, third new hero is coming on the 6th of January.

HoN has a more competetive aspect.

If you mean Stat-Whoring that's coming with Ranked Games & Draft mode in the 2nd Quarter of 2010. Everyone will see your W:L, total K:D:A, Elo Rank, and leaves. An option to display all of that information on your forum account is coming very soon.

It's very tough to learn this game, not because the game itself is hard, but because it seems just about EVERYONE who plays this has played DOTA. Every time I go into a game trying my best to simply not die, maybe even get a kill or two, everyone is already a pro, and is yelling at me from the outset. They're very unreceptive.

LoL solves this problem with Elo based matchmaking and noob island. Every new account is given 1300 Elo, when you lose Elo drops and vice versa when you win. Elo does not degrade over time so inactivity will not lower your Elo. Leveling your summoner also gains some Elo, this prevents experienced players from playing with complete newbs. We also have practice mode but that's akin to DoTA/HoN's lobby type matchmaking where games are generally average players looking to stomp. So no matter what you play against people of your skill level based on past performance. If you're new you play against newbs. If you're doing considerably well from the onset you get a large Elo adjustment and are booted out of newbie Island, say 12 wins level 5 0 losses. You'll find yourself being placed against much tougher opponents to meet your skill needs.

Yes,because your personnal experience represents whats the game overall,am I right?

I in no way want to offend you,but when your good at this game,theres plenty of fun.Matter of fact,any games where your winning its fun. Kinda gets me mad when the only thing LoL players find to bash at HoN is the community's elitism. DotA & HoN are games that rely on Teamwork a lot.

LoL= Carebears
And that my friend,is an actual true story

>> Implying LoL does not rely on teamwork moreso than DoTA and HoN's snowball Super Carry Environment.

@Bold, Yes, because your personal experience represents the game overall; AMIRITE?!?!?!111 Have you even played LoL?

You also keep typing, "This is why HoN is going to beat LoL." As if "there can only be one." Sir, how many MMOs are out there? Are you trying to say there can only be one MoBA? Do you understand competition within a genre is good. Or do you have your head shoved so far up Savage's ass that you can't see HoN & LoL need one another so they can improve, compete, and innovate. This moves the genre forward, but if you want to play the "there can only be one card" let's see how many people will pick HoN over DoTA or LoL when it comes time to pay. Also, you keep using the word "casual." I'm sorry but LoL will have two outlets for play, one competitive and one casual. Normal games are casual, Ranked games with draft mode is competitive. Riot will continue to sponsor tournies and has even created a group known as "Council", which includes pro gamers, team managers, e-sports organizers, other companies, other company's programmers, and pro DoTA players, to work on the competitive elements of LoL to turn it into an E-Sport.

Stomped, you can thank me later. Much Barotix.

still doesn't get why LoL & HoN cannot coexist.

[Skyve]

Yes I've played LoL FYI,probably not enough,but enough to promise myself to never ever play this game. Also maybe I wasn't clear but I'm not saying there's only place for one,but the most successful one will be HoN. Oh and dont fear about "Not as much people will play once u have to pay". HoN offcially have 1,000,000 accounts. Sure you'r gonna say because its free and beta,but a decent % of this 1,000,000 already pre-purchased the game.
Lets face the facts ; P2P > Micro Transactions.

Implying LoL does not have leaver "protection" or constant updates, VoIP is something Riot will be adding "soon" along with draft mode, ranked games, and regular cash tournies

Funny how you make fun of HoN for still not having Matchmaking when on LoL's side they still dont have those features HoN have atm.

Oh and update every 2 weeks?That no biggie. We usually get an update every week,with 1-2 new heroes,new items,and balance. Best part is that S2 actually listens to players complaints about heroes balance. Just to say constant update from these games isn't something to be suprised about.

Again,making fun of our lack of the Matchmaking feature is kinda funny,how you guys are still lacking the most basic stuff such as Stats Display.

For your final point about "LoL's noob island" and how beginners wont get pubstomped,thats just a matter of time before HoN Matchmaking system is released,therefore solving the problem.

At the end,Im not saying they can't co-exist,I'm just pretty sure HoN will be more successful...I mean cmon,this game already have Tournaments, including the North-American Cup sponspored by Dell/Alienware & are breaking the 1,000,000 beta accounts(Yes I know because its free,then again LoL is free and probably dont even have 1/4 of that population).

So Stomped? Nah didn't think so,let me share the with you.
-Ex

EDIT; Thats all my low english skills can express,also I'm too lazy to quote everything

[Barotix]

decent % of this 1,000,000 already pre-purchased the game.

Pull more shit out of your ass please.

Lets face the facts ; P2P > Micro Transactions.

It's not "P2P" per monthly fees, you buy the game and you're done. Over time Micro Transactions > 1 buy to play. Fact.

Funny how you make fun of HoN for still not having Matchmaking when on LoL's side they still dont have those features HoN have atm.

I mentioned matchmaker once, you ignored the bulk of my argument including the part where Riot actually actually has a group focused on competition. You can see your stats, other players can see your win and leave. Stat display comes with ranked play which comes with Season 1 in the 2nd Quarter of 2010.

with 1-2 new heroes,new items,and balance.

>>Implying LoL does not get balance updates, items, and new heroes. FYI, Porting stuff from DoTA is not "new" or "original." What's the use of patching if you don't balance, the points you bring up are really pointless.

What game does not have constant updates?
What game does not add new content?
What game does not seek balance?
Really?
These are basic things, you're turning this into a pissing contest.

basic stuff such as Stats Display

New Content and balance is far more important than stroking the genre's ego.

this game already have Tournaments

LoL has tournaments. :|

then again LoL is free and probably dont even have 1/4 of that population

Pull more shit out of your ass please.

LoL has more potential because it's not a DoTA clone, there's more room for improvement and innovation. The most innovative & user friendly game will win. If you pigeonhole yourself into a "hardcore" playerbase you deny all the money that can made off of casuals throwing cash around like it grows on trees. There's a reason the casual Wii is doing better than it's counterparts, for a business in the gaming market to be successful it has to appeal to more than hardcore fans and hardcore gamers.

[Draquish]

LoL is easymode...and too slow for me. Graphics don't help.

[Barotix]

LoL is easymode...and too slow for me. Graphics don't help.

HoN is faster than LoL & has flashy Graphics, HoN is less forgiving. Undeniable. Can't argue with that. I don't know your criteria for "hardmode" so I won't touch that.

HoN's client is smoother too. Which game you prefer comes down to taste. What do you like? They're both competitive, the nature of the genre is competition. It's why new players to HoN and LoL alike cry about the community. If you just want to play DoTA with superior graphics HoN is for you 100%. If you want a new game of the same genre then LoL is for you.

[Skyve]

Pull more shit out of my ass? If you want too,i'll show you the link to the post made by an Admin. Clearly says they've reached 1,000,000...Again,before you point me out on this. I do understand thats its because its free beta atm. But its still a pretty big number for any games in beta.

http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showt ... hp?t=58717
If you dont have access to the forums,here's a quote of the post
"I am very excited to announce that we have reached 1,000,000 accounts today. This is a huge milestone and is very representative of the popularity and success of HoN."

HoN ; Remake & +
I'm not gonna discuss about HoN goal,as I'v already spoken about it. Only thing I'll add is that HoN dosnt only have ports,but also new concepts.

Tournaments
LoL probably does have tournaments,but I doubt their tournament are as "high" as the one HoN currently have. Hell they already have a HoNLeague and HoNCast,and thats just beta.Big clans are already known by the community,many games broadcasted,etc.

What shocks me is that you think Remakes are bad? S2 took a really popular game,and made it better. Dont give me this "better graphics,gg" bullcrap. S2 had done way more than an engine update to DotA.(Including brand new heroes)

You may think I'm repeating myself,and my points are pointless. But you'r the one saying things like "we get updates every week" and then comeback at me saying " Why do you say pointless thing like such,they have those in every game".Really, I'm just taking your points and comparing them to what HoN has to offer.

At the end,I still think HoN will be more successful. If you think LoL will be better,then good for you. I'm happy your enjoying yourself /end_argument

Enjoy your day sir

[bakafish]

I think I found my new favorite hero, Dark Lady lol. New anti tiny hero

[0l3n]

Why the hell do you come here and bash the game? I dont get it.
You have your own LoL thread dont you? And if you disslike the game so much then keep away from the damn thread.

I bet no one gives a frack about LoL if they are already playing HoN and vice versa. Its two sides of the same coin (one side might be a bit uglier than the other but still *cough*HoN*cough*), they are both a remake of DotA.

And yes I have played LoL.

[Barotix]

Clearly says they've reached 1,000,000

Clearly you don't read your own post or mine:
You posted:

decent % of this 1,000,000 already pre-purchased the game.

1,000,000 Beta accounts is not disputed, they give away accounts like water. "a decent % of this 1,000,000 already pre-purchasing the game" is questionable especially considering how many people have multiple accounts & how Savage has never officially made that statement. 1,000,000 beta accounts with 400,000 unique log ins per week, been there, done that, read that, digested it, and moved on. lrn2read maybe.

LoL probably does have tournaments,but I doubt their tournament are as "high" as the one HoN currently have. Hell they already have a HoNLeague and HoNCast,and thats just beta.Big clans are already known by the community,many games broadcasted,etc.

LoL has clans, 2 leagues, a 3v3 league, teams, and scrims all "known" by the community.

S2 had done way more than an engine update to DotA.

Same game, never called a remake bad; you just can't call porting heroes & items new.

But you'r the one saying things like "we get updates every week"

Fact: you typed:

HoN took a great game,and made it ever better with many features such as Leaver Protection,Constant Updates,VoIP etc.

Before I ever brought up updates, I was taking what you typed and throwing it back at you.

Really, I'm just taking your points and comparing them to what HoN has to offer.

Really, I'm just taking your points and comparing them to what LoL has to offer.

Why the hell do you come here and bash the game?

Because I'm defending LoL means I'm bashing HoN. Love is bashing HoN, I'm not.

And if you disslike the game so much then keep away from the damn thread.

"HoN is faster than LoL & has flashy Graphics, HoN is less forgiving."
"HoN's client is smoother too."

Totally bashing HoN, AMIRITE. When someone in G.D. post "X" about WoW you see WoW players come in and correct them, so when ExSoldier post "X" about LoL I will correct him.

HoN:
Graphics are modern
Serious Atmosphere
Denying
Bigger Maps
Larger, albeit unoriginal Hero selection.
Not newb friendly but worth lrning2play.
Carry Centric Gameplay, if the carry gets shut down GG.
Leavers drop items after 5 minutes.
See stats before gameplay.
Lobby.

LoL:
Graphics are akin to WoW
Smaller Maps
Normal Play offers a casual atmosphere, Ranked play & Draft Mode - unreleased - offers a serious Atmosphere.
No Denying
Harder to shut down carries because you don't lose gold on death.
Smaller, original Hero selection centered around retarded use of CC and AoE.
Newb Friendly or "User" friendly UI and ingame shop.
Team centered, one weak link and it's GG. You get paired with better players the higher your Elo so after awhile you don't have to worry about weak links.
Leavers fck everything up unless they're good players whom can catch up, you don't see many leavers above 1500.
See "stats" after gameplay.
Matchmaking.
Buggy client.

[Kraq]

Anyone have anymore beta keys?

[Miguez]

May I ask for a Why So Serious here?

IMO casual players will get along with LoL whereas HoN requires a different type of devotion to be successful and have fun at. I'm not saying people playing LoL are OMGAWDWTFNOOBSL2PNAOK, but as far as I've seen it seems to be easier to get along than HoN. But I do agree with what you said Baro, there can, should and always will exist more than one game of a certain type, and both the games being discussed are having success and delivering funs to people. With that said, don't turn this into a discussion thread, please!

[Miguez]

May I ask for a Why So Serious here?

IMO casual players will get along with LoL whereas HoN requires a different type of devotion to be successful and have fun at. I'm not saying people playing LoL are OMGAWDWTFNOOBSL2PNAOK, but as far as I've seen it seems to be easier to get along than HoN. But I do agree with what you said Baro, there can, should and always will exist more than one game of a certain type, and both the games being discussed are having success and delivering funs to people. With that said, don't turn this into a discussion thread, please!

[piootr]

Where's the love for heimerdinger?

[Skyve]

Where's the love for heimerdinger?

what?
@Kraq: Let me check ^^

[LaloHao]

May i ask why double post?

[Skyve]

May i ask why double post?

There's no double post,may I ask what are you smoking?

[LaloHao]

May i ask why double post?

There's no double post,may I ask what are you smoking?

that was suppose to be 2 post above you, see previous page

[Flinch1]

To get back to HoN. :p

Just played a game, and tried out a DPS nymphora, yes, a DPS nymphora. :p

At the end i got the next list of items:
2 x talisman of exile, 1 x ghost marchers, 1 x Great Arcane, 1 x frostwolfs skull, 1 x elder parasite

For the people that didnt know, the more creeps/heros/neutrals you hit with your stun, the higher your movement speed and attack speed for the next seconds.

So basically, Doing my stun will raise up my attack speed, elder parasite aswell, mix that with the slow of your frostwolfs skull --> a machine.
+ you just put your pod after your stun to get some extra damage on them, and to heal yourself.
Had a quad kill like this when i just teleported in the middle of the combat.
But i still havent managed to find the button that makes screenies ingame. xD

[Miguez]

That is an interesting thing indeed.

Oh and I tried my Uber-Tank Electrician against my brother, I had the totem of kuldra, behemoth's hear, shaman's headress just for the hp regen and two manatubes for some extra mp regen and post haste since it was 1v1. And even though I totally lacked damage out-putting I managed to survive a over-powered level 25 scout with every item you don't want him to have if he's in the other team for alot of time - but then - if he were a magebane my shield would've gone down even faster, but I feel rather proud. The problem is farming all that in a pub <_<