Effing powerlvl'ing.

[AkillerNXC]

Kay, seriously, the lvl 90's that are running around plvling people for hours and hours and hours need to stop. You may not realize it, but your ruining parties. It's hard for anyone under 60 to get a party at all, for the last, idk, I'd say 2 weeks I see people asking for a party all over the place, nobody wants to make one, all anyone wants to do is find a plvl.

You may think its helping the people but it's not. How about try do some jobbing instead of plvl'ing.

Today. Pegs party. Party leader had party up for about an hour...never filled up. He renamed it "Plvl legits lvl 90 wiz"...and it filled up within 4 minutes. Then people realized there was no plvl and half the people left.

(Everytime I go to the caves, someone from avalon or BHA is plvl'ing. Its ridiculous.)

[sheeplol6]

id say we need more bot traps not jobbing
Traffic is back.

[AkillerNXC]

id say we need more bot traps not jobbing
Traffic is back.

Bot traps would be amazing too.

[Goobronicus]

Didn't know it was my job to go around doing what you want me to do. TBH I haven't played much in the last 2 weeks. Each person has fun in the game their own way, whether bot trapping, plvling, or grinding. You can't tell them what to do.

However if people are leaving your parties for available plvls, just pm the plvler. If anyone leaves a working party for a plvl I was doing and I got pm'd that they left that party to be plvled I'd kick them and tell them to go back to the party.

[AkillerNXC]

I'm not telling anyone what to do. But everyone on the server says that theres no jobbing and they want more. So I'm simply saying, you have to start jobbing in order for there to be more. Anyone 40+ should be able to get a party going at almost any time. They don't need plvl.

[Argonaut]

I loled.

[nightbloom]

It's his own union leader doing the plvl. lol He is doing it to level all the union guilds up to 5, not to plvl players. They are just benefiting from it.

Oh and I bot trap almost every single night. I am always the only one doing it. You can ask your union, Fly and I are there, trapping most evenings at S or W gate Don.

I agree with Aki, pleveling is death on parties but in this case, the cause is a good one.

[Keeny]

yes we know who it is that's doing the plvl. even though he insists it's a "party" ...

but no it doesn't benefit all of us. i've tried to put parties together the past few days for HOURS on end with very little success. as soon as we get a functional party together, somebody leaves for powerlevel. so there we are, stuck, waiting for somebody else to log in so we can get started. it shouldn't be this hard to get 8 5x players together from all three unions.

thanks a helluva lot, argo, you're the best. just the absolute best.

[IceCrash]

thanks a helluva lot, argo, you're the best. just the absolute best.

i speccially agree on that part

[Argonaut]

I loled again.

[Clam]

i dont wanna create a new topic for this soo whyd Lulous quit? lol his baby? just guessing

[Keeny]

awesome. argonaut finds it funny when he ruins his union members' parties. good to know.

[Argonaut]

awesome. argonaut finds it funny when he ruins his union members' parties. good to know.

I tried to talk to you in a civilized manner ingame, feel free to pm me when your temper tantrum is over.

[Keeny]

temper tantrum?

and yes you were very civil about it ingame, not so much here on the forums though.

[AkillerNXC]

Haha yeah NB, a couple people I know have run into them a few times, XD. And no NB there's been other people lately too. It's not just argynub. Either way, fack plvling. Take our nubs in nox that have 200k+ gp, they're pfarming on ongs.

<<< Still gotta wait like 4 days to change jobs. -.- Even then, high lvl botters kill me. =(

&Yeah clam, thats my guess too, lol.

[bryanvan]

1 way its true. Plvling ruins alot. BUT if i would get plvld to 50 id be get way more parties is my timezone

[Zanam]

It's his own union leader doing the plvl. lol He is doing it to level all the union guilds up to 5, not to plvl players. They are just benefiting from it.

Oh and I bot trap almost every single night. I am always the only one doing it. You can ask your union, Fly and I are there, trapping most evenings at S or W gate Don.

I agree with Aki, pleveling is death on parties but in this case, the cause is a good one.

And i watch. every day XD

[the_wicked]

I don't pwrlvl.

In about a week (sunday ish) ill be trading as much as i can (im switching to hunter) to try and stimulate jobbing.
Ill run trades at least 2 times a day until I go to school on the 28th/29th ish.

[Redd]

awesome. argonaut finds it funny when he ruins his union members' parties. good to know.

Hmmm..thought a guild meant having everyone helping each other out, sticking up for each other, all contributing etc...not plvling the members and moving them from guild to guild so the guilds reach lvl 5 asap..
I mean seriously, whats the point of having a guild at lvl 5 if only say 2 or 3 members contributed, not much of a combined effort imo...
If you have certain chars that "are" farming on a 9 gap and dont mind getting plvld, get them do do it, not take chars from parties and say "it's for lvling the guild"..fking lame excuse
And akill is right, no1 is telling anyone what do do, but discouraging members from accepting plvls is the first step to solving this. Not saying that they should never get a plvl, but try to persuade them to stay in the party rather than leaving for a plvl...

[Argonaut]

awesome. argonaut finds it funny when he ruins his union members' parties. good to know.

Hmmm..thought a guild meant having everyone helping each other out, sticking up for each other, all contributing etc...not plvling the members and moving them from guild to guild so the guilds reach lvl 5 asap..
I mean seriously, whats the point of having a guild at lvl 5 if only say 2 or 3 members contributed, not much of a combined effort imo...
If you have certain chars that "are" farming on a 9 gap and dont mind getting plvld, get them do do it, not take chars from parties and say "it's for lvling the guild"..fking lame excuse
And akill is right, no1 is telling anyone what do do, but discouraging members from accepting plvls is the first step to solving this. Not saying that they should never get a plvl, but try to persuade them to stay in the party rather than leaving for a plvl...

The point is so those 10 people waiting to join can actually JOIN. I made this guild to help EVERYONE find parties, not just you. And about the plvl, I recruited people for the plvl who ONLY had a gap. Everyone in my party has a gap, or started a gap when they joined. Axiana bought silk JUST to delevel to a 9 gap to help out. I tried to do it so their levels wouldn't change much, and to add maximum GP/SP gain.


Also, there were 13 people in the range of 5x parties in the morning. Even if my plvl wasnt there, there would have been 5 people missing a party, or a shitty one. Either way, there would have only been 1 party.

[AkillerNXC]

awesome. argonaut finds it funny when he ruins his union members' parties. good to know.

Hmmm..thought a guild meant having everyone helping each other out, sticking up for each other, all contributing etc...not plvling the members and moving them from guild to guild so the guilds reach lvl 5 asap..
I mean seriously, whats the point of having a guild at lvl 5 if only say 2 or 3 members contributed, not much of a combined effort imo...
If you have certain chars that "are" farming on a 9 gap and dont mind getting plvld, get them do do it, not take chars from parties and say "it's for lvling the guild"..fking lame excuse
And akill is right, no1 is telling anyone what do do, but discouraging members from accepting plvls is the first step to solving this. Not saying that they should never get a plvl, but try to persuade them to stay in the party rather than leaving for a plvl...

The point is so those 10 people waiting to join can actually JOIN. I made this guild to help EVERYONE find parties, not just you. And about the plvl, I recruited people for the plvl who ONLY had a gap. Everyone in my party has a gap, or started a gap when they joined. Axiana bought silk JUST to delevel to a 9 gap to help out. I tried to do it so their levels wouldn't change much, and to add maximum GP/SP gain.


Also, there were 13 people in the range of 5x parties in the morning. Even if my plvl wasnt there, there would have been 5 people missing a party, or a shitty one. Either way, there would have only been 1 party.

Well other guilds too of course. Usually at certain times of days there can be two pegs partys at once. But I didn't really mean just today, since sungs there's been 80+ guys plvl'ing all the time and it makes it difficult to get a party for people sometimes.

[Cerus]

Pwrlvl is like drug, have too much of it. U won't want to grind.
Its effect is long term. To some.

[uBeR]

Half of those people in Overkill getting plvls still don't know how to play their builds because of the very fact that they are plvled characters. They suck. And it's not only Overkill. Lots of people just take advantage of plvls, which really does take people away from parties. OK, maybe not this one instance, but it does. If there's someone trying to make a real party and half the people available to join that party are just getting plvled, the person actually trying to legitimately level can't. No one is going to stop the lv90s from plvling newbies, but if I were a person making parties, I wouldn't even bother adding plvled retards, especially those who leave functioning parties to get plvled.

[weiming]

Joxmax must take action.

I suggest the following solutions.

1. Please remove party mobs.
The reason is plvl will not be favourable. Another point is even 2,3, or 4 person can form a party too. So when the legits log on, they can join party and start grinding. Waiting to form a successful party will upset most legits and ends up quiting the game. I know this solution will not be favourable for wizard and cleric. So, i hope if there is a shared party at the particular area, the spawn rate for normal mobs can be more depends on the numbers of players in a shared party.

2.Joymax should give all of us an authority to kill botters.
I not sure how the system should be carried out but i hope Joymax can make a system for it. So we can help Joymax to hunt down goldbots and botters.
I guarantee, within a week, botters will leave or turn himself into legits.

What do you guys think ?

[Goobronicus]

Number 1: Wouldn't work because main reason for 8 man party is for party mobs higher lvl than you. Grinding at regular mobs higher lvl than you would still work but would not be as efficient. This would hurt the party play system that Euro brought.

Number 2: This would be like a mass PvP/Murder. Would work against the legits as all the high lvl bots would just go around killing every single person from Samarkand and Hotan, eventually causing them all to quit because they're tired of being raped. What better way to kill the legit player base taking out the base of the pyramid. This would work against the botter player base as well, but still....

[Clam]

i think party mobs is really really smart by jm and it possitivly effects the party play of euros
on the mass murder option...cant you kill only 15 ppl a day? if so it wouldnt be as effcient

[weiming]

You got ur point, but if changes are not taken, there will be no improvement. But of course the solution must be a best for all. So, rather than complaining, why not suggest a good way for Joymax.

I didt say that we can simply kill around. What i mean is, u can click on the person, and a window will pop up, the person must click on ignore or else he will stuck standing and he cant use pot. So that he will be killed by mobs. If he click ignore, so within 30 mins. no one can click on the person anymore.

Pls give ur suggestion rather than calling Joymax to ban player botter.

[phulshof]

Please stop with the client related solutions: they won't work. Do you honestly believe a bot can be programmed to walk, fight, buy pots, etc. but is incapable of clicking on an ignore button? Even this weak captcha cannot be considered a solution; it would take a good image programmer less than a week to make an automated response program for it.

As for power level: the biggest pet pieve I have with power level is that they take up the good spawn spots, and make it next to impossible for normal players to get xp or get their quests done. It doesn't help with people filling parties either, and I'm getting rather tired of all the people that automatically expect their union to power level them. It's like an entire generation of lazy asses.

[bryanvan]

I wouldn't say remove PT mobs thats the whole point of grinding with a full pt is for... to kill PT mobs.

[IceCrash]

Guys from OvK

IT WAS ME, IT WAS ME THAT TOOK THE Farking COOCKIES BOX, SO WHAT, SUE ME.

Now shut the **** up and go buy a new box of coockies.




No but seriously, be friendly or i'll **** you up, listen to me, it doesnt matter if you have 2 points of view and can't get an uniformed opinion on it, why?
Because you're from the same guild/union, therefore, be friendly, and friendly discuss your points of view, try to get to an uniformed opinion.
Dont make me go buy a new Farking power supply bitches.

So make love, not war.
bai.