Legits getting kicked out of legit parties...

[moenchone]

...because they're not in a legit guild/union or in a guild/union no one knows anything about.
Well, i understand that. Parts of it.

Today: I was in a BHA/Avalon party at penons. A guy, i have on my friendlist since lvl 20 or something (he's legit), asked me, if he can join. We were 5 people at this time. I invited him. The leader kicked him instantly because he is not in BHA/Avalon union.
Btw, that guy saved my ass some seconds before. A penon pt champ attacked me and he got between us. I survived.
Ok, our party filled up and that guy waited for a spot. He didn't know, that the party leader would kick him, because of his guild. Someone left and someone invited that dude. *kick*
That happened like 5 times. That guy was like wtf? What happens here? What's wrong with you/me?
Well, i left the party some minutes ago and the leader was still like:" I won't let him in, because he is not in BHA/Avalon."
"But he is legit!?"
"He is not in BHA/Avalon."

Anyway, the word 'legit' gets a bad taste... It's hard to be legit, but it seems to be harder to be legit in a guild/union, no one knows something about.

Some things must change. There are more gamers on Venus who don't bot, who don't buy gold, who don't get powerleveled by a bot. It's not only the Avalon union or BHA. Some people like to stay in their guilds, because the have friends there. They may don't speak english or whatever. I had friends on Venus, they quit SRO because of the server traffic >_>, who don't want to join our union, because they don't speak english. But they were legit and handgrinded up to lvl 30+. But no one would let them into their parties because of "Oh, look, a +3 weapon, he maybe buys gold!!1" or "Hm, i don't know him, but he maybe gets plvl by a bot!!1" Well, u get the point...

Btw, i was in many parties with a girl, even when she was in RP_Bloodline. She was/is legit. I always told the party leaders not to kick her just because of her guild/union. She is in the Avalon union or BHA now, not sure.
Some people just don't know about the legit/bot stuff or they don't care.

But we shouldn't judge them just because we don't know them or we don't know anything about their guild/union. That's not fair and Venus should be the fairest server, a home for all legits. But if we go on like this and keep on kicking people because of the stuff i said, then we are not a good example for a legit community.

Well, i hope u know what i mean and u don't care about my bad english.


Have a nice day and don't be sad, because germany lost 2:1 against croatia ^^


Bye, NevadaTan/Starke

[Axeoo7]

When i first started we didnt know who was bot or not most legits that were not in union or in ava was accepted into pt untill proven they were a bot or there guild was.

Aslong as its not a known bot guild i dont see what the problem is he/she shouldnt have been kicked.

[non ego man]

You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Bots are a problem. RP has bots in it. If you are legit in RP, you are part of the problem. Sorry. It's not complicated.

And yes, you DO have to make a choice on this server. Are you with the bots or are you against the bots? A legit in RP has made the choice to be with the bots. The legits in AA have made the choice to be with the bots. Now, no partying with me, my guild, my union or my alliance.

If are legit and are in a legit guild but not a part of BHA/Avalon and want to party with us, post here. Let us know you're legit. We'll give it a shot and keep an eye on you. If you prove yourself legit, you'll party with us all the time. We'll support you 100%. If you join a bot union or engaged in prohibited behavior, then we won't.

If you decide that you have friends IRL that are botters and members of bot guilds and you'd rather be in their guild, that's fine too. It's your choice. But I'm the last motherfvcker that's gonna help you out while you're helping out bots.

...i was in many parties with a girl, even when she was in RP_Bloodline. She was/is legit...She is in the Avalon union or BHA now...

She made a choice. The right one. Good for her. That's how you do it.

Everyone applying for my parties from a bot guild/union gets the same response: "go leave your guild and I'll join you to this party." I say it to all of them. It's decision time. You want to party with legits? Stop supporting botters.

And the no-name legit guilds will start to get recognized. Last night Foudre vouched for Blade. The two ints from Blade (Ice and Kids) were better lurers than any of the bot warriors I've seen. I'll party with Blade any time. If it gets out that they're being plvld by bots or bot themselves, I'll stop. Again, it's pretty simple.

[Panu]

I've been semi-forced to kick unknown legits from my penon pt to reduce the chances of starting some big argument. if i constantly pt with him/her and he/she isnt in one of the unions, i will let that person in my pt, knowing the fact that i pt with that person alot. but if i notice they get plvl by certain ppl, their gone. then again, high level guildless people are almost 80% bots ... whether from botting itself or plvl by bots.

[IceCrash]

Legit pressure sucks, but well, imo , it's needed to get it done

[/Pi]

BHA/Avalon is a very close community. Venus is the last haven for legits and we would like to keep it that way. By far, the tried and tested approach is cold hard extremism. It is harsh, yes. But with us against botters who have so long grown to love Joymax's grossly lenient rules, a passive tactic is not an option.

A guild functions as a tighter community. The more members it has and the higher their level, the stronger it can be. By helping a player in a botter guild, legit or botter, you are helping the guild itself.

EDIT: I myself have partied with people outside the two unions - one from Eclipse and one from DragonsOfWar. Not being the party leader, it's rather hard to voice out your opinion. However, next time, it will be dirty. I won't like it, but it will. At this high levels, the indirect help given to botter guilds becomes more apparent.

[Toasty]

Its wrong to kick / deny because someone is guildless, at least unless you know they are a bot. Thats all i'll say in this discussion.

[sheeplol6]

guildless, give em a chance, heck all guilds in BHA im sure have open slots. just make sure they arent a bot and they could be recruited if they wish, it would make easier parties for them so they wouldent get this issue.
but known bot guilds...never party with em. simple as.

[Rosemead]

I usually just level with uni members because even those who are guildless ruin the pt with their retarted ways of leveling. Wizards attacking everything even though the warrior hasn't aggroed it.

[foudre]

i know this makes me mad sometimes, too when people get like that, Sernata is legit in some no name guild cleric, to me your are innocent untill proven other wise, after this much time remaining in rp is bot support you know after it split off there was a while before it became a boter guild, and for awhile it would be perfectly reasonable to stay, but after this long and what its become remaining in it you obviously don't care about ridding the game of cheaters

[PileOfMush]

I usually just level with uni members because even those who are guildless ruin the pt with their retarted ways of leveling. Wizards attacking everything even though the warrior hasn't aggroed it.

I can sympathize, but hell, I've been in Ava/BHA parties where the wizzies were suicidal as all get out, and blatantly refused to stop soloing mobs, refused to stop attacking the lure before it was being tanked, etc, etc. It has gotten better somewhat as I've progressed from Kokorus to Yetis, but it still happens far too often for me to look at those outside our alliance and assume they'll be significantly worse. In fact, I think when we party with other players (who are either guildless or in guilds not known to be bot/supporters) we have a chance to make a positive impression. We could find legit players or guilds out there that would like to come to the Light Side.

What I don't want to see, however, is parties where there are 8 alliance members partying at penons in 5-6 different parties. I think where possible, we should play together because it really helps TREMENDOUSLY to be familiar with your group and form a play style that works. I would rather see gaps in Ava/BHA parties being filled by good outsiders than the other way around.

[Cerus]

I didn't read every1's post... Post reply seems to get longer x_X

@moenchone
I agree with your first part but not the 2nd part.

I think Avalon/BHA should not kick some1 because they are not in legit guild/union.
They should only kick if that some1 is in a bot guild/union.
They should giv new ppl a chance.
Of course if some1 from guild/union is coming and it is 8/8 then atleast say "Sry, guild member need a spot". If that person understand n go on their own, u know he is a potential good member for future recruit. If that person go spam u "MATAR FACK" then u know to blacklist him.

Just my 2 cents, at least thats how i operate my "DUMMY" guild now.

[Panu]

EDIT: I myself have partied with people outside the two unions - one from Eclipse and one from DragonsOfWar. Not being the party leader, it's rather hard to voice out your opinion. However, next time, it will be dirty. I won't like it, but it will.

I dont think i ever stopped anyone from voicing out their opinion, matter of fact, we had a sweet pt going on at penons and cobra noticed serenata was there .. boy he voiced alright. i let serenata stay in the pt that one and final time, still cobra didnt like it. seeing im usually the pt leader down at penons, i still give everyone the right to talk, give suggestions and what not. i dont like controlling my buddies. next time, it will only be bha / avalon ... its final.

mmm i murdered another noop ... im down to lvl 45 again -.- , come pt with me NAO

[foudre]

EDIT: I myself have partied with people outside the two unions - one from Eclipse and one from DragonsOfWar. Not being the party leader, it's rather hard to voice out your opinion. However, next time, it will be dirty. I won't like it, but it will.

I dont think i ever stopped anyone from voicing out their opinion, matter of fact, we had a sweet pt going on at penons and cobra noticed serenata was there .. boy he voiced alright. i let serenata stay in the pt that one and final time, still cobra didnt like it. seeing im usually the pt leader down at penons, i still give everyone the right to talk, give suggestions and what not. i dont like controlling my buddies. next time, it will only be bha / avalon ... its final.

mmm i murdered another noop ... im down to lvl 45 again -.- , come pt with me NAO

edit panu who are you ingame?


please dont' block Blade either, for now donuts there hoping i get some more support, but hey its only been a day and already 4 people.

[Zero_Doom]

Avalon Union has the rules laid out in black and white. No parties with people outside of BHA/Avalon. A 'mean' or inconsiderate as that seems, it is the way it is. It gives Avalon a little more control over the bot situation. Obviously there are a few exceptions, FIy's new guild and Foudre's new guild are examples of that.

I agree that it seems strict, but from the opposite pov, you can see why it is necessary. The union symbols are a sort of guarantee that the person has not ever done anything illegit (ie. botting, gold-buying, bot plvl). Without that union symbol, we have no guarantee that the person in question has never done anything illegit.

[Toasty]

Avalon Union has the rules laid out in black and white. No parties with people outside of BHA/Avalon. A 'mean' or inconsiderate as that seems, it is the way it is. It gives Avalon a little more control over the bot situation. Obviously there are a few exceptions, FIy's new guild and Foudre's new guild are examples of that.

I agree that it seems strict, but from the opposite pov, you can see why it is necessary. The union symbols are a sort of guarantee that the person has not ever done anything illegit (ie. botting, gold-buying, bot plvl). Without that union symbol, we have no guarantee that the person in question has never done anything illegit.

So how are we gonna keep new people in the server.. people dont automatically know about BHA / Avalon and join them as soon as they join the server. You really dont want new players to the server?

[Argonaut]

Avalon Union has the rules laid out in black and white. No parties with people outside of BHA/Avalon. A 'mean' or inconsiderate as that seems, it is the way it is. It gives Avalon a little more control over the bot situation. Obviously there are a few exceptions, FIy's new guild and Foudre's new guild are examples of that.

I agree that it seems strict, but from the opposite pov, you can see why it is necessary. The union symbols are a sort of guarantee that the person has not ever done anything illegit (ie. botting, gold-buying, bot plvl). Without that union symbol, we have no guarantee that the person in question has never done anything illegit.

So how are we gonna keep new people in the server.. people dont automatically know about BHA / Avalon and join them as soon as they join the server. You really dont want new players to the server?

viewtopic.php?f=58&t=90216

[Toasty]

Avalon Union has the rules laid out in black and white. No parties with people outside of BHA/Avalon. A 'mean' or inconsiderate as that seems, it is the way it is. It gives Avalon a little more control over the bot situation. Obviously there are a few exceptions, FIy's new guild and Foudre's new guild are examples of that.

I agree that it seems strict, but from the opposite pov, you can see why it is necessary. The union symbols are a sort of guarantee that the person has not ever done anything illegit (ie. botting, gold-buying, bot plvl). Without that union symbol, we have no guarantee that the person in question has never done anything illegit.

So how are we gonna keep new people in the server.. people dont automatically know about BHA / Avalon and join them as soon as they join the server. You really dont want new players to the server?

viewtopic.php?f=58&t=90216

I mean people new to the game mainly.

[boast]

having a list of guilds not to party with is understandable. But not being able to party with "unknown" guilds is just repressing a fun gaming community on the server. It brings the "fack avalon" for their "elitist attitudes".

[Zero_Doom]

Avalon Union has the rules laid out in black and white. No parties with people outside of BHA/Avalon. A 'mean' or inconsiderate as that seems, it is the way it is. It gives Avalon a little more control over the bot situation. Obviously there are a few exceptions, FIy's new guild and Foudre's new guild are examples of that.

I agree that it seems strict, but from the opposite pov, you can see why it is necessary. The union symbols are a sort of guarantee that the person has not ever done anything illegit (ie. botting, gold-buying, bot plvl). Without that union symbol, we have no guarantee that the person in question has never done anything illegit.

So how are we gonna keep new people in the server.. people dont automatically know about BHA / Avalon and join them as soon as they join the server. You really dont want new players to the server?

I don't really know nor care about the number of new players that join the server. There are tons of threads both here and SRA that say that they are moving over, so I don't really worry too much about them "not knowing" about Avalon or BHA. If they don't know about us when they join up, they learn about us shortly after getting on the server.

[foudre]

Avalon Union has the rules laid out in black and white. No parties with people outside of BHA/Avalon. A 'mean' or inconsiderate as that seems, it is the way it is. It gives Avalon a little more control over the bot situation. Obviously there are a few exceptions, FIy's new guild and Foudre's new guild are examples of that.

I agree that it seems strict, but from the opposite pov, you can see why it is necessary. The union symbols are a sort of guarantee that the person has not ever done anything illegit (ie. botting, gold-buying, bot plvl). Without that union symbol, we have no guarantee that the person in question has never done anything illegit.

So how are we gonna keep new people in the server.. people dont automatically know about BHA / Avalon and join them as soon as they join the server. You really dont want new players to the server?

I don't really know nor care about the number of new players that join the server. There are tons of threads both here and SRA that say that they are moving over, so I don't really worry too much about them "not knowing" about Avalon or BHA. If they don't know about us when they join up, they learn about us shortly after getting on the server.

what about new players that are new to the game and for what ever random reason choose venus, if you just started playing hte game i doubt you'd be on forums like these and know about them, but hey thats why i liked to stay and hang out wiht low lvls, and helping new players out

[DarkBandit]

lol he saved ur ass lol from a champ lol

[Blindfire]

Avalon Union has the rules laid out in black and white. No parties with people outside of BHA/Avalon. A 'mean' or inconsiderate as that seems, it is the way it is. It gives Avalon a little more control over the bot situation. Obviously there are a few exceptions, FIy's new guild and Foudre's new guild are examples of that.

I agree that it seems strict, but from the opposite pov, you can see why it is necessary. The union symbols are a sort of guarantee that the person has not ever done anything illegit (ie. botting, gold-buying, bot plvl). Without that union symbol, we have no guarantee that the person in question has never done anything illegit.

Uhh, the union symbol means nothing. For one, bots always seem to want to be in legit guilds. Also, 97% of the people playing this game have done something illegitimate atleast once. Hell, it's against the rules to use the light theives' aoe to attack another player so everyone that has ever bot trapped are not perfectly legit. However, it is a necessary evil to make the game playable.

[Zero_Doom]

Avalon Union has the rules laid out in black and white. No parties with people outside of BHA/Avalon. A 'mean' or inconsiderate as that seems, it is the way it is. It gives Avalon a little more control over the bot situation. Obviously there are a few exceptions, FIy's new guild and Foudre's new guild are examples of that.

I agree that it seems strict, but from the opposite pov, you can see why it is necessary. The union symbols are a sort of guarantee that the person has not ever done anything illegit (ie. botting, gold-buying, bot plvl). Without that union symbol, we have no guarantee that the person in question has never done anything illegit.

Uhh, the union symbol means nothing. For one, bots always seem to want to be in legit guilds. Also, 97% of the people playing this game have done something illegitimate atleast once. Hell, it's against the rules to use the light theives' aoe to attack another player so everyone that has ever bot trapped are not perfectly legit. However, it is a necessary evil to make the game playable.

Actually, that symbol does mean something. It means that they are guaranteed to be legit, and if they are not, you aren't punished for playing with them. They are kicked and everyone moves on. Now then, is there actually a rule that states I can't use the light arc's from thieves to kill bots? I demand proof! xD

@Foudre: It is helpful people like you that keep the game goin. I personally don't mind helping new people, but generally I get messages from lowbies that include the words "fck avlon" so I tend to just stay away from low lvl non-unioners. xP

[tedo]

Actually, that symbol does mean something. It means that they are guaranteed to be legit, and if they are not, you aren't punished for playing with them. They are kicked and everyone moves on. Now then, is there actually a rule that states I can't use the light arc's from thieves to kill bots? I demand proof! xD

although it is a bug (kinda) that is getting exploited

it's not against any actual ToS or other rules; so i think no one can say you aren't "entirely" legit because you use light thieves to pwn ppl

[Honato]

The clue to this problem is in the name of the party... BHA/Avalon...do anything for you?

[foudre]

Avalon Union has the rules laid out in black and white. No parties with people outside of BHA/Avalon. A 'mean' or inconsiderate as that seems, it is the way it is. It gives Avalon a little more control over the bot situation. Obviously there are a few exceptions, FIy's new guild and Foudre's new guild are examples of that.

I agree that it seems strict, but from the opposite pov, you can see why it is necessary. The union symbols are a sort of guarantee that the person has not ever done anything illegit (ie. botting, gold-buying, bot plvl). Without that union symbol, we have no guarantee that the person in question has never done anything illegit.

Uhh, the union symbol means nothing. For one, bots always seem to want to be in legit guilds. Also, 97% of the people playing this game have done something illegitimate atleast once. Hell, it's against the rules to use the light theives' aoe to attack another player so everyone that has ever bot trapped are not perfectly legit. However, it is a necessary evil to make the game playable.

Actually, that symbol does mean something. It means that they are guaranteed to be legit, and if they are not, you aren't punished for playing with them. They are kicked and everyone moves on. Now then, is there actually a rule that states I can't use the light arc's from thieves to kill bots? I demand proof! xD

@Foudre: It is helpful people like you that keep the game goin. I personally don't mind helping new people, but generally I get messages from lowbies that include the words "fck avlon" so I tend to just stay away from low lvl non-unioners. xP

lol i tend to get more can you lvl me please, i tend to ignore those ones

[Zero_Doom]

lol i tend to get more can you lvl me please, i tend to ignore those ones

I actually get that one a lot. I run around with the holy knight suit on so people must think I am a high level or something. Someone asked for plvl the other day cause I was tanking multiple party mobs and turned out I was a lower level then them. xDD

[ShiningBow]

Lol i got denied to join a union penon pt
Worse than gettin kicked ;(

[foudre]

Lol i got denied to join a union penon pt
Worse than gettin kicked ;(

idk getting kicked is more annoying to me cause you get let in and then kicked its just wasting your time and more of an insult