Venus needs to change some rules about bot supporting, etc.

Hellracer · Post by **Hellracer** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:38 am

First i want to congraulate, Avalon for basically keeping the "Legits" Hope alive, tis very active in the server huge amount of parties compare to any other server i been too. Most people are friendly, etc, but its not a "Haven" as nightbloom so calls it. Alot alot of iggnorant hypocrites in that server IMO.

I understand your war on bots, but people using NO-DC, having friends that are botters, plvl by botters, scammin goldbotters(THESE ARE EXAMPLES)& other numerous crap, gets a Kick ban in the face with a wanted poster for their head.

That person could be legit, while you cry about bann support, he/her will obviously be discouraged to keep continuing going legit as you will not accept him/her as your own. Thus he/her will turn to botting as the only option or will just leave the server.

I think you guys need to change your rules ASAP.

Your keeping the legit guilds in a small quarters, instead of expanding it. Yes a botter should get a HUGE Ban Stamp across the face & yes a goldbuyer should get a ban too, but banning someone from a guild because of using a harmless NO-DC? or gettin plvled by a botter? thats just absurd. Their should be a less-harsher punishment to resolve the matter, a warning, or something.

We want to expand the legits no? not drive them away.

This is also from personal experience and from my friends too i was discouraged to play on venus for something i have supposly helped botters, but now im happy in my new guild ^^ Wont disclose the guild name or myself sorry ^^

One more thing i have been kicked from couple of parties randomly because supposly i supported Bots by, doing something i will not disclose as i do not noe how the Mods will feel about this, and i do not feel like gettting a bann hammer tonite, it has nothing to do with 3rd party programs nor botting if your trying to guess what i did ^^

just ranting what do you think guys? (talking to the guilds in venus)

Dou · Post by **Dou** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:20 am

SO , for you using no-dc and gettin plvled by a bot is ok ?
Then you're not a legit .
You're legitor not , there is no intermediate.

Being plvled by a bot is like botting.It's like passive smoking, you stand next to a smoking person and you are smoking too, your health is harmed.
By analogy a guy plvled by a bot is a passive botter, his legitness is harmed.

THe nodc is an altered client or a third party program: that's prohibited by joymax rules.
There is no big and small cheating, even the smallest cheast makes yu an unlegit ppl.

doomas · Post by **doomas** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:35 am

but banning someone from a guild because of using a harmless NO-DC? or gettin plvled by a botter? thats just absurd. Their should be a less-harsher punishment to resolve the matter, a warning, or something.

I agree

Being plvled by a bot is like botting.It's like passive smoking, you stand next to a smoking person and you are smoking too, your health is harmed.
By analogy a guy plvled by a bot is a passive botter, his legitness is harmed.

I don't agree. For ex. if you paid for a plvl, why should you care how that player is plvling you? It's his/her problem, not yours - you paid.

THe nodc is an altered client or a third party program: that's prohibited by joymax rules.

So what? Bots are against the rules too, but seems like they exist so why should anyone give a damn about that? And no dc doesn't harm anyone, it's just makes logging in possible

Vienna · Post by **Vienna** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:47 am

Over which rules do you speak anyway ?. I really don't know that so many guild's follow they own rules ( if they even have any ).
The fact is that guild's recruit they people by they lvl or they even don't look on that. If i go online with my lvl 50 char, i get in 2 h for sure 2-4 guild application ( and im sure everyone get it which is lvl 42+ ), they don't ask what i'm, for what i looking, how i come to that level..... nothing, they just want people 42 + in they guilds.
Personally i know only 1 which have come to lvl 80 ( real legit play, no premium helpers.....) but he play on Sparta. Do you know more then 1 ?.

Dian Jie · Post by **Dian Jie** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:00 am

Nope, disagree. I like the rules the way they are.

Hellracer · Post by **Hellracer** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:26 am

Vienna wrote:Over which rules do you speak anyway ?. I really don't know that so many guild's follow they own rules ( if they even have any ).
The fact is that guild's recruit they people by they lvl or they even don't look on that. If i go online with my lvl 50 char, i get in 2 h for sure 2-4 guild application ( and im sure everyone get it which is lvl 42+ ), they don't ask what i'm, for what i looking, how i come to that level..... nothing, they just want people 42 + in they guilds.
Personally i know only 1 which have come to lvl 80 ( real legit play, no premium helpers.....) but he play on Sparta. Do you know more then 1 ?.

lol you never been to Venus have you?

Vienna · Post by **Vienna** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:48 am

Hehe, i play on Venus

And in 6-7 months what i play this game, i have never meet a guild which would ask me before they have send me a guild application, how i have come to my lvl, if i even want a guild,....nothing, they just see a armor or weapon and spaming with guild applications. And i will repeat my question - do you know more then 1 which have come to lvl 80 with real legit play ( no premium help......) ?. So much about real legit play...... :wink:

echo · Post by **echo** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:29 pm

Vienna wrote:do you know more then 1 which have come to lvl 80 with real legit play ( no premium help......) ?

So, buying silk from JoyMax(supporting game) is not legit? You are idiot.

Vienna · Post by **Vienna** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:04 pm

echo wrote:
Vienna wrote:do you know more then 1 which have come to lvl 80 with real legit play ( no premium help......) ?

So, buying silk from JoyMax(supporting game) is not legit? You are idiot.

Nope you are pissed of because i have ask something on what you can't answare. I don't talking about premium pets, i talking about premium helpers , 60, 100 % helper, better defence.....and don't know what else you can buy to lvl faster. What is that for you ?. Premium cheats and nothing else. Or let me say in other way, let's say, someone would use a program which would give him 100 % more poits, then he would be taget as cheater right ?.
Sorry dear kid, but you are a dreamer. And from me, you can support joymax by giving them x 1000's of dollars if you want, belive me i don't care, but i better buy new shoes, go out on saturday night..... as to support a company where players do more against boters as the game company inself

Axeoo7 · Post by **Axeoo7** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:17 pm

Vienna wrote:
echo wrote:
Vienna wrote:do you know more then 1 which have come to lvl 80 with real legit play ( no premium help......) ?

So, buying silk from JoyMax(supporting game) is not legit? You are idiot.

Nope you are pissed of because i have ask something on what you can't answare. I don't talking about premium pets, i talking about premium helpers , 60, 100 % helper, better defence.....and don't know what else you can buy to lvl faster. What is that for you ?. Premium cheats and nothing else. Or let me say in other way, let's say, someone would use a program which would give him 100 % more poits, then he would be taget as cheater right ?.
Sorry dear kid, but you are a dreamer. And from me, you can support joymax by giving them x 1000's of dollars if you want, belive me i don't care, but i better buy new shoes, go out on saturday night..... as to support a company where players do more against boters as the game company inself

lol are you stupid or something that is legit content provided by the game company anyone can get it its not against the TOS or the rules how is that cheating just because you dont want to use them it becomes a cheat??

---Rev--- · Post by **---Rev---** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:23 pm

OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk :shock:

Toasty · Post by **Toasty** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:25 pm

Vienna wrote:
echo wrote:
Vienna wrote:do you know more then 1 which have come to lvl 80 with real legit play ( no premium help......) ?

So, buying silk from JoyMax(supporting game) is not legit? You are idiot.

Nope you are pissed of because i have ask something on what you can't answare. I don't talking about premium pets, i talking about premium helpers , 60, 100 % helper, better defence.....and don't know what else you can buy to lvl faster. What is that for you ?. Premium cheats and nothing else. Or let me say in other way, let's say, someone would use a program which would give him 100 % more poits, then he would be taget as cheater right ?.
Sorry dear kid, but you are a dreamer. And from me, you can support joymax by giving them x 1000's of dollars if you want, belive me i don't care, but i better buy new shoes, go out on saturday night..... as to support a company where players do more against boters as the game company inself

I dont think you understand the meaning of legit.

borat2 · Post by **borat2** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:32 pm

Vienna wrote:
echo wrote:
Vienna wrote:do you know more then 1 which have come to lvl 80 with real legit play ( no premium help......) ?

So, buying silk from JoyMax(supporting game) is not legit? You are idiot.

Nope you are pissed of because i have ask something on what you can't answare. I don't talking about premium pets, i talking about premium helpers , 60, 100 % helper, better defence.....and don't know what else you can buy to lvl faster. What is that for you ?. Premium cheats and nothing else. Or let me say in other way, let's say, someone would use a program which would give him 100 % more poits, then he would be taget as cheater right ?.
Sorry dear kid, but you are a dreamer. And from me, you can support joymax by giving them x 1000's of dollars if you want, belive me i don't care, but i better buy new shoes, go out on saturday night..... as to support a company where players do more against boters as the game company inself

i rather not spend hours trying to login whenever i want to play.
call me selfish but its far from cheating

Axeoo7 · Post by **Axeoo7** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:32 pm

---Rev--- wrote:OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk OMG I am a botter cause I buy silk

Oh noesssssss i used the free exp helpers when i started my char not only the gold one but the silver one too OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG im gonna get bannnnnnnnnneddddd.

---Rev--- · Post by **---Rev---** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:33 pm

Vienna wrote:Nope you are pissed of because i have ask something on what you can't answare. I don't talking about premium pets, i talking about premium helpers , 60, 100 % helper, better defence.....and don't know what else you can buy to lvl faster. What is that for you ?. Premium cheats and nothing else. Or let me say in other way, let's say, someone would use a program which would give him 100 % more poits, then he would be taget as cheater right ?.
Sorry dear kid, but you are a dreamer. And from me, you can support joymax by giving them x 1000's of dollars if you want, belive me i don't care, but i better buy new shoes, go out on saturday night..... as to support a company where players do more against boters as the game company inself

Okay now I have made fun of the silly thread I will actualy post something mildly contructive

You are quite silly well okay alot silly, you think because you dont want to buy silk because you think its silly its not legit... who made you god of SRo thats my job and its not up for grabs.

Silk is a perfectly legitimate thing, it has been implemented by the owners of the game as a way for you t pay for them to keep the game running. I am sick of freeloading idiots like yourself without me and others buying silk you wouldnt have a game to play... so dont come here teling us its not legit.

I wish they would make this game pay to play to get rid of retards like you

oh I think I should let you know

Hellracer · Post by **Hellracer** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:33 pm

please guys let stick to the topic at hand..

Summanus · Post by **Summanus** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:35 pm

My since long lost hope in humanity just got confirmed... again..

Vienna · Post by **Vienna** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:47 pm

Hehe, look now how many people are now pissed off when i write a total simply definition of a cheat

. Belive me, i don't care what you call a legit player, cheat,....and what not, and you can buy from me x 1000's of silks and yes i play this game totaly free and probably you will one day wake up and found out that this is just a video game :wink:

Toasty · Post by **Toasty** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:11 pm

Vienna wrote:Hehe, look now how many people are now pissed off when i write a total simply definition of a cheat . Belive me, i don't care what you call a legit player, cheat,....and what not, and you can buy from me x 1000's of silks and yes i play this game totaly free and probably you will one day wake up and found out that this is just a video game

A lot of us play the game for free.. i've never bought silk, and dont ever plan on buying it. But if you think that silkbuyers are cheats then you really are retarded. :banghead:

Axeoo7 · Post by **Axeoo7** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:14 pm

Ive never bought silk on venus ive spent too much money on xian and got let down by joymax too many times but i dont call silk buyers cheaters because that is plain and simply stupid.

echo · Post by **echo** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:15 pm

I kind of doubt that you can write something that will make you look you more dumb. But looking at your previous posts maybe that is even possible. And I don't even care about is premium cheating or not, it doesn't matter for me, but that comment about better spending money on shoes was just

Sure go buy your shoes for you moms hard earned money and do whatever you want. But only remember kiddo, that there are people who work and 20$ on premium is nothing, heck I wouldn't even notice 20$ less in my credit card . And maybe you will wake up one day and will find out what is work :roll:

Edit: but yes it is true, JoyMax is shitty company. But without people spending money on silk, we wouldn't be playing it anymore.

Vienna · Post by **Vienna** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:39 pm

echo wrote:I kind of doubt that you can write something that will make you look you more dumb. But looking at your previous posts maybe that is even possible. And I don't even care about is premium cheating or not, it doesn't matter for me, but that comment about better spending money on shoes was just

Sure go buy your shoes for you moms hard earned money and do whatever you want. But only remember kiddo, that there are people who work and 20$ on premium is nothing, heck I wouldn't even notice 20$ less in my credit card . And maybe you will wake up one day and will find out what is work

Edit: but yes it is true, JoyMax is shitty company. But without people spending money on silk, we wouldn't be playing it anymore.

Im sure you can all read. I gonna write the last time > 60, 100 % helpers are ordinary cheats and nothing else <. You can only buy them legal. And probably you can buy cheats legal by many video games, just that by silkroad have they an name '' helpers ''. And everyone who say that such helpers are not ordinary cheats, then he should think about a definition of a cheat !. And now cry on as long you want.

echo
don't get to personal, i'm probably already a little older then you, who don't live anymore by his mom & dad ....don't even think to talk with me about work, real life, real money.....and i will even not talk with some kids about life,....for that you are much to young for me....
Cool down better

Post by **Blindfire** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:58 pm

Vienna wrote:
echo wrote:I kind of doubt that you can write something that will make you look you more dumb. But looking at your previous posts maybe that is even possible. And I don't even care about is premium cheating or not, it doesn't matter for me, but that comment about better spending money on shoes was just

Sure go buy your shoes for you moms hard earned money and do whatever you want. But only remember kiddo, that there are people who work and 20$ on premium is nothing, heck I wouldn't even notice 20$ less in my credit card . And maybe you will wake up one day and will find out what is work

Edit: but yes it is true, JoyMax is shitty company. But without people spending money on silk, we wouldn't be playing it anymore.

Im sure you can all read. I gonna write the last time > 60, 100 % helpers are ordinary cheats and nothing else <. You can only buy them legal. And probably you can buy cheats legal by many video games, just that by silkroad have they an name '' helpers ''. And everyone who say that such helpers are not ordinary cheats, then he should think about a definition of a cheat !. And now cry on as long you want.

echo
don't get to personal, i'm probably already a little older then you, who don't live anymore by his mom & dad ....don't even think to talk with me about work, real life, real money.....and i will even not talk with some kids about life,....for that you are much to young for me....
Cool down better

1. Buying a currency made by the game developers is not cheating, the items you buy are not cheating. According to your definition of "cheating" even the 1 day helpers people get when they start the game is cheating. Get a grip.

2. No one is pissed off or angry, they think your are being an idiot and I have to agree.

3. You have no idea how old Echo is, age is completely irrevalent to the conversation and why would you even bring it up. Typically age is brought up in a case in which a person is losing an argument and tries to find a scapegoat.

4. You are just going to get flamed so I suggest you stop posting here.

the_wicked · Post by **the_wicked** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:07 pm

Being friends with bots isn't unlegit, if you think that you're not too smart. Only reason most people don't like the bots is that they're enemies.
On a side note, plvl by bots is benefiting from a 3rd party program.
It's debatable but it is seen as not legit by many. Still, pwrlvl in general should be eliminated past lvl 3x b/c then you just acquire a high lvl char with no knowledge of the game. Pwrlvl, i can;t stant it =.=

Anyway yea this thread gunna get flamed like all hell so =\

Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:09 pm

doomas wrote:I don't agree. For ex. if you paid for a plvl, why should you care how that player is plvling you? It's his/her problem, not yours - you paid.

Where's the logic in that? Does paying for powerlevel change anything if the powerleveler is a bot? If you get pleveled by a bot you're using botting service. If you use botting service you are a botter. Botters naturally get kicked from legit guilds. Your arguments make no sense.

I like the rules good enough. I still understand that the legit rules may not suit everyone. Luckily for those, botting guilds are known to be pretty flexible when it comes to 3rd party software, for example... :roll:

Vienna wrote:Im sure you can all read. I gonna write the last time > 60, 100 % helpers are ordinary cheats and nothing else <. You can only buy them legal. And probably you can buy cheats legal by many video games, just that by silkroad have they an name '' helpers ''. And everyone who say that such helpers are not ordinary cheats, then he should think about a definition of a cheat !. And now cry on as long you want.

A legal cheat? You're saying that every new character starts with two cheats in the inventory? If it's legal, it's not a cheat. If you commit a crime that is not illegal according to law, then you did not commit a crime. Besides it's the silkbuyers' money that keeps this game running. I must say I rarely run into arguments that are even half as stubid as yours. And bragging about your (most likely imaginary) old age is stubid especially after posting such trash.

Blindfire wrote:2. No one is pissed off or angry, they think your are being an idiot and I have to agree.

3. You have no idea how old Echo is, age is completely irrevalent to the conversation and why would you even bring it up. Typically age is brought up in a case in which a person is losing an argument and tries to find a scapegoat.

+5.

boast · Post by **boast** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:00 pm

Since half the goal in Silkroad is to be able to login, then yes you could say a NODC is cheating.

lol

Hellracer · Post by **Hellracer** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:03 pm

this topic was started to actually get some opinions in to broading the range of legit guilds but instead i get bunch of retards starting flames in my topic about if premium is legit or not HOW STUPID CAN U FUCKERS BE..

WNxMegax · Post by **WNxMegax** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:04 pm

Is no dc client so bad it just a way to bypass server traffic for some players who can't log in or have a slow comp. and also buying silk is not a cheat their just getting help to lvl faster if its in the game its not a cheat. beening legit you can still buy silk i personally never bought silk but i know its not cheating.

Hellracer · Post by **Hellracer** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:06 pm

WNxMegax wrote:Is no dc client so bad it just a way to bypass server traffic for some players who can't log in or have a slow comp. and also buying silk is not a cheat their just getting help to lvl faster if its in the game its not a cheat. beening legit you can still buy silk i personally never bought silk but i know its not cheating.

Yes i do realize no-dc is not legit but i dont think it should receive a punishment as equaling if u were caught botting which is /kickban from the guild, i think their shold be a less-harsh punishment IMO.

echo · Post by **echo** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:17 pm

Let the kid live in his own imaginary world wherever it is and whatever he thinks is cheating, It is obviously he is too stupid to understand what every one is trying to tell him :roll:

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