My side of what happened.

[yamataka]

I got a drop today during the raid. Most days this would be a good thing, a happy thing.

The drop was male LA feet, level 95. The drop occurred while we were still in the middle of fighting the 95 uniques and I didn't even know what exactly I had when _Gator started insisting on them being "rolled". I get very annoyed at being shouted at ... and I hate it when people consider drops more important than the party and what they are fighting at the moment. Please note I could have lied about getting the drop or what it was ... but I didn't.

Party members at the time were me(Taka-Wizard/Bard), _Gator(also Wizard/Bard), Malecka(Wizard/Bard), Queenjoa(Cleric/Wizard), Sanctified(Cleric/Warlock?), _Ace_(tank), and KSsske(spelling is wrongbut it is something like that and he is also a tank).

The rest of the party never stopped but went on to the B3 unique and killed it too. Gator kept on and on about how I couldn't use the LA and that he wanted it rolled. I have no idea why Gator wanted the LA so bad. Maybe to give to nightbloom or a friend? Who knows? There were lots of threats and stuff and I didn't want to give the drop to Gator so I logged out and switched characters and talked to Snowflake (my GM).

Snowflake agreed with me that giving the drop to Queeenjoa was just fine. Queen uses LA. I see Queenjoa as someone I respect and who had been extremely fair and hardworking at organizing parties at Chasers before the tomb opened. So Queen has the drop. He has promised not to sell the feet and definitely will put them to good use. I guess Avalon can insist Queenjoa turn the drop over to them but I really think this would be wrong of them to do. I know Queenjoa is in the Avalon union though I am not sure what guild he is in ... it is not SD.

After this I had a lovely day fixing bikes, running errands, and doing some yardwork. It is so nice to finally see the sun here and have the snow gone.

I log back in prior to the evening raid and am asked to party, which I did. Halfway through the raid I get to read what has been decided about my fate. I struggled to type out a few responses, but between the raid and the fuss about the earlier drop, I am not sure what I typed in answer to what. This post is more of a clarification than anything.

Anyways, please note that if you are in the Avalon or Odyssey guilds that according to your leaders that you are not allowed to party with me. This is on penalty of you being banned from your respective guilds. I understand this and so will not party with you either.

And if Snowflake needs to kick me from SD, I will be ok with that too, very sad but ok. I understand that the politics are often beyond your control Snow, and things have to be done for the greater good. I will miss SD and hate to go and would prefer not to leave SD. However, I do not regret what I did, nor am I the least bit repentant. It was my drop and I shared it with another legit in spite of much spiteful harrassment, particularly on the part of _Gator. I find it interesting that it is ok to pick who is in your party but not ok to pick who gets a drop. I don't agree with the forced "rolling" concept.

And yes I know that this is considered IGL/Avalon business, but I have no intention of going anywhere near those forums. I know there are people that will pass on the info here to the people that are banned from these forums. And I would suggest that any SRF mod that sees this should lock the topic.

[Brago]

Wait I thought nightbloom got banned on sro, only got banned on srf?

[Tasdik]

Wait I thought nightbloom got banned on sro, only got banned on srf?

Only banned from SRF.

[Goobronicus]

Taka, remember what I said about all of this kinda stuff before? You did the right thing. Sorry to see them treat you like shit.

[Brago]

Wait I thought nightbloom got banned on sro, only got banned on srf?

Only banned from SRF.

Are they still in avalon? or did they get banned? extremely offtopic... and if some1 that can't wear LA is saying to roll for it.... tell them NO... lol and how do you roll?

[Tasdik]

Wait I thought nightbloom got banned on sro, only got banned on srf?

Only banned from SRF.

Are they still in avalon? or did they get banned? extremely offtopic... and if some1 that can't wear LA is saying to roll for it.... tell them NO... lol and how do you roll?

NB's still in Avalon. Not banned.

I believe Avalon has some system for sharing the drops while partying....

Drop Rules
In Avalon we have a very simple and fair way of distributing drops in grind parties.
• If you get a drop that you can use, you can keep it.
• If no one in the party can use the drop, you can keep it.
• If someone in the party can use the drop, it goes to them.
• If more then 1 person can use the drop, those players must roll for it.

Rolling is very simple. A person that does not need the drop picks a number between 1 and 100. He then tells the number to a 2nd person in the party that does not need the drop. Then the party members that need the drop choose numbers. The player with the number nearest the correct number wins the drop. After a drop is won, there is no 2nd guessing or arguing. The system is fair. Keep your greed to yourself. If you are found out to be greedy and causing problems over the drop system, you will be banned.

[gamef]

Blah blah blah.

[Toasty]

Meh.. thats life. The party gets the drop if you cant use it. Its fair that way, its always been like that. You were the stubborn one.

[Guardia]

Are u banned in IGL Taka? Why the heck u posted it here? Seeking attention from botters in here? Stupid. Ur a fckin greedy person and u know it. U're lucky i was not in that pt.

[Corrupt]

Why would you not agree with rolling? You would rather get a shitty drop, attempt to sell it, get some half ass amount of gold, then spend twice as much gold buying something you need?

Compared to letting someone else in the party have a chance at getting a item they can use then eventually when they get something you can use you get a chance at the item as well.

How in any way is that unfair? What the **** is this statement?

I guess Avalon can insist Queenjoa turn the drop over to them but I really think this would be wrong of them to do.

Seriously what are you implying?

The used to be small party rule has spread to union members so everyone gets a fair chance for gear. It keeps us better equipped and for no use of gold.

Hell....All the players that still read here that went to WoW should agree with our drop rules. Silkroad has a random drop system only, we're just applying the Need before Greed option between party members.

I've gotten 7 drops this cap. I kept 2 because I can use them and gave away the other 5, 1 someone didn't need so there's a drop I can sell or give to someone that needs it in my guild than union if no guildy wants it......

[Tasdik]

Why would you not agree with rolling? You would rather get a shitty drop, attempt to sell it, get some half ass amount of gold, then spend twice as much gold buying something you need?

Afaik, he gave the drop away. At least that's what his post says.

[Corrupt]

Afaik, he gave the drop away. At least that's what his post says.

Eventually, after drama~

[Tasdik]

Afaik, he gave the drop away. At least that's what his post says.

Eventually, after drama~

Oh....

[Zeela12]

Alright, well it's been a few months since I've made any serious posting on SRF, I guess I'll break that here since you won't go visit the IGL forums.

Taka we talked before and I have always considered you a great and knowledgeable person. The Avalon's rule of drop rolling we're currently implementing in our OvK union as well, at least it has been a Fable rule since the beginning of the guild. Personally I think the rule brings maximum profit to the legit community because this way people can get what they all need faster and easier. If you think of the legit community as a whole, the roll drop rule is great for everyone.

With that said, I can see how people must've misunderstood you, I mean, come the **** on, it's _Gator. I've known Gator for a long time now and I know how almost everyone who first meets him must hate him to the point of cursing for his gruesome death during the bed time prayers. The funny thing for me here is that Gator is a wiz/bard, so even if rolling was conducted, he would not be part of it, and here when you talked about this, it seems like you didn't want to roll because of his greed.

the party members are:

Taka- Wiz Bard
_Gator- Wiz Bard
Malecka- Wiz Bard
Queenjoa- Wiz Cleric
Sanctified- Tank Cleric
_Ace_- Tank Cleric
KisSske- Tank Cleric

The people with the cleric subs obviously had a roll on this, and normally people who are the right gender gets a roll on this (although these days people get gender change things), which would rule out queenjoa, sanc and KisSske, meaning Ace should've gotten this automatically.

However, if what you're saying is true how Gator wanted a roll in this drop, then by all means this is fail on his case because he lacks the qualifications for this roll. I guess since you gave this to Queenjoa without actually rolling for it, it is considered unfair within the Avalon union and this resulted in the banishment from it.


I know I really am a bit out of place to say things like this, but I think for the sake of yourself as well as the sake of the Avalon union, you should ask to be joined back to SD since obviously you weren't so clear on the rules. It would be really sad to see this become any bigger and/or engulf anymore people into it.


We can always talk about this privately if you wish.

[Guardia]

Gator wanted that item to be rolled to ppl who can use it. Gator dont want the item. He's using robe.

[Krevidy]

all this bullshit over an item, breaks up community's.
Iff you want to blacklist a legit for not rolling an item, thats truly sad.

[Guardia]

If you wanna be a b.itch for an item u cant even use, is pretty sad too.

[nohunta]

all this bullshit over an item, breaks up community's.
Iff you want to blacklist a legit for not rolling an item, thats truly sad.

Holy Shit. That makes sense.

[Alfred]

Taka hasn't been banned and this is not something you can be blacklisted for. It is an Avalon union rule and it is there for a good reason, just like Friends explained.

[pr0klobster]

Taka hasn't been banned and this is not something you can be blacklisted for. It is an Avalon union rule and it is there for a good reason, just like Friends explained.

"Anyways, please note that if you are in the Avalon or Odyssey guilds that according to your leaders that you are not allowed to party with me. This is on penalty of you being banned from your respective guilds. I understand this and so will not party with you either."

That's not blacklisting? If not it is very close to it...man you guys are very, very picky on the rules.

edit: last comment I make in this section. Honestly, since your rules are so much different and detailed than others (SRF and/or server specific) I'm not sure why there is still a Venus section here.

Apologies for commenting on something I didn't need to.

[Zeela12]

"Anyways, please note that if you are in the Avalon or Odyssey guilds that according to your leaders that you are not allowed to party with me. This is on penalty of you being banned from your respective guilds. I understand this and so will not party with you either."

That's not blacklisting? If not it is very close to it...man you guys are very, very picky on the rules.

Being legit isn't so you can "party" with people. Being legit is about playing the game in a fair fashion. It's true that most people go legit because you can find parties with people who knows how to play the game, but it is also about being among people who share the common viewpoint of playing the game how it should be.

Just because a person is banned from partying with 2 guilds doesn't make it the end of the world. Plus, if Taka was already in a party, then Avalon and Ody members won't be allowed to join it, isn't that more inconvenient for them instead of Taka?

[MrJoey]

lol
I see some things just don't change.

[pr0klobster]

"Anyways, please note that if you are in the Avalon or Odyssey guilds that according to your leaders that you are not allowed to party with me. This is on penalty of you being banned from your respective guilds. I understand this and so will not party with you either."

That's not blacklisting? If not it is very close to it...man you guys are very, very picky on the rules.

Being legit isn't so you can "party" with people. Being legit is about playing the game in a fair fashion. It's true that most people go legit because you can find parties with people who knows how to play the game, but it is also about being among people who share the common viewpoint of playing the game how it should be.

Just because a person is banned from partying with 2 guilds doesn't make it the end of the world. Plus, if Taka was already in a party, then Avalon and Ody members won't be allowed to join it, isn't that more inconvenient for them instead of Taka?

Well, I'm not going to comment anymore on Venus (gets tiring listening to both sides bots/legits complain) because it's your rules (even though Joymax didn't really write them that way).

...but will address your comment about being banned from partying with two guilds - um, inconvenient? One guy they aren't allowed to party with, oooh. On the other hand, two entire GUILDS (probably 50+ people) he can't be in a party with.

Which side seems more inconvenienced by this?

[WrathShielder]

/epic fail

Sorry yamataka for what has become of this server. Everytime I get motivated to come back and play with my Ninjitsu friends, some of them ingame friends for over 3 years now, I read crap like this happening on Venus and I get unmotivated.

[Corrupt]

/epic fail

Sorry yamataka for what has become of this server. Everytime I get motivated to come back and play with my Ninjitsu friends, some of them ingame friends for over 3 years now, I read crap like this happening on Venus and I get unmotivated.

Because Need before Greed in WoW is epic fail? Or do you prefer to just ninja everything.

What exactly is wrong with being fair and giving a item to someone that needs it?

[fckerr]

Sry for offtopic: How u venus legits make gold? U get 1/2/3/4 items when u are in party and u cannot use them so u give it to person who can and not sell it? And what will happen if u never get a item for u while in party? No offense.

On topic: Threads like this keep me away from Venus although I want to try it

[Tasdik]

On topic: Threads like this keep me away from Venus although I want to try it

Give it a shot, you won't regret it.

[WrathShielder]

/epic fail

Sorry yamataka for what has become of this server. Everytime I get motivated to come back and play with my Ninjitsu friends, some of them ingame friends for over 3 years now, I read crap like this happening on Venus and I get unmotivated.

Because Need before Greed in WoW is epic fail? Or do you prefer to just ninja everything.

What exactly is wrong with being fair and giving a item to someone that needs it?

No, I am okay with rolling and no I don't like stuff getting ninja'd just because. But from what I read (one side only in this thread it seems)the problem was with asshat Gator in the middle of a heated party boss grind from what I am reading and the fact that, gender-changing considered, there were 4 people who might use the item, one of them got it and I don't see the others posting here that they wanted to roll and to ban or bl this dude because he didn't roll.

I sit here at work on a quick break just trying to wrap my head around the idiocy I read here in this forum sometimes and I can't. I am 40 years olddude and in between my job, wife, kids, bills,etc, I log in and play a few games that I truly enjoy. I play those games mainly for entertainment but also a big part because I have long time friends that I enjoy chatting, partying, and venting with. I have been playing games since the commodore64 days and online with guildmates and such in various games for about 11 years now and for the life of me I am totally exasperated by this SRO/Venus thing. It has become a sad shell of a game for me personally because of Venus and I miss my in game friends because of it. But that is just me and that is why I don't login much anymore. But I do come here and see what is going on because of my long time relationship to the game and those that are still playing.

[Corrupt]

Sry for offtopic: How u venus legits make gold? U get 1/2/3/4 items when u are in party and u cannot use them so u give it to person who can and not sell it? And what will happen if u never get a item for u while in party? No offense.

On topic: Threads like this keep me away from Venus although I want to try it

Euros waste zero pots grinding cept tanks. So you gain small increments over time, the few items you get that no one needs you can sell. Trade runs help too I mean the game was designed around trading......It's really not hard to make money I don't even stall ever and have over 600m off trades and buying gear that I need to do my job in a party.

People that waste money on 50mill sos items that are worthless are bad with their money. Or buy and resell items if you have that kind of patience.


If you distribute items to others and they do the same for you while grinding on mobs 9+ lvls higher what on earth would you need money for? You basically find items and gear yourselves gold isn't even in the equation.

I spent 30mill on a farming set. One item was 20m but it was from a guildy that was poor, which I pimped. Have my old set which I'll use 92-100 and during that process raids and grinding on 99 mobs will slowly get the gear I need so the only gold that is needed is for alchemy.

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The side of the story I heard might have been exaggerated or not, the only people that know were in that party.

[Necrobat]

/epic fail

Sorry yamataka for what has become of this server. Everytime I get motivated to come back and play with my Ninjitsu friends, some of them ingame friends for over 3 years now, I read crap like this happening on Venus and I get unmotivated.

Because Need before Greed in WoW is epic fail? Or do you prefer to just ninja everything.

What exactly is wrong with being fair and giving a item to someone that needs it?

Nobody uses the Need Before Greed setting. It's either on Group Loot (rolls on anything uncommon quality or higher) or on Master Looter. (one person distributes all the high quality loot)

But then it does break down to need/greed/pass. Need if it's an upgrade for your main spec, greed for your offspec. Then roll for vendor unless you have an enchanter. *shrugs*

Yours is a similar system, minus the offspec and vendor rolls.