All legits please PAY ATTENTION

[TOloseGT]

I don't see how you can say that BHA is legit when there is a guild leader (WitchHazel) who doesn't care if guild member party with botters, for instance. What happened to zero tolerance against bots?

well it's all relative isn't it?

rule number 1 is no botting. i'm sure that goes for everyone. bots are the source of sro's problems, on venus, BHA and avalon are working towards a no-bot server. that should be on every1's mind when they read this bs.

[Axeoo7]

Not for you, or anyone else. The only people in my union who are unhappy about Odyssey being here are those whose only information and dealings with them are based on YOUR opinions and the hateful shit you have spewn time and time again onto these forums. In stark contrast, since they have joined the union, we have had an even MORE vibrant, active, colorful community than we had already had. And I do NOT turn my back on my friends and allies.

NOT true at all. I don't know who the **** Fly is, I don't know much about Avalon, but I know what WitchHazel has said - for instance that he doesn't care if guild members party with bots. You call that taking a stance regarding bots?

Im pretty sure that was before they joined BHA no one has informed us that odyssey is pting with bots, Its against BHA rules and if they are breaking it no one has told use about it.

[Libertarian]

Libertarian? I don't understand wether you're pro BHA or against. As far as I know, Witch has advised his members not to party with bots. and WE ARE LEGIT.

Trust me, I LOVE what BH used to be. I was in BH's nub guild back on Athens when the cap was 60. I had tons of fun and I've loved BH ever since. A great guild with a great guild leader.

However...

viewtopic.php?f=58&t=83606&p=1108407#p1108407

This is what WitchHazel says about people in the guild being in parties with bots:

Just because I feel, I as union leader, don't have the right to tell anyone in my union who they can or cannot party with, thats my choice. I say to everyone, I personally wouldn't party with such and such person/guild/union for <insert reason here> but i'm not going to tell anyone what so ever, how they should play. People are playing this game to have fun, I'm not spoiling their fun. Thats wrong.

To me, there's nothing legit about that. And if BHA accepts Odyssey, you accept people who party with botters. What's legit about that?

[Axeoo7]

Libertarian? I don't understand wether you're pro BHA or against. As far as I know, Witch has advised his members not to party with bots. and WE ARE LEGIT.

Trust me, I LOVE what BH used to be. I was in BH's nub guild back on Athens when the cap was 60. I had tons of fun and I've loved BH ever since. A great guild with a great guild leader.

However...

viewtopic.php?f=58&t=83606&p=1108407#p1108407

This is what WitchHazel says about people in the guild being in parties with bots:

Just because I feel, I as union leader, don't have the right to tell anyone in my union who they can or cannot party with, thats my choice. I say to everyone, I personally wouldn't party with such and such person/guild/union for <insert reason here> but i'm not going to tell anyone what so ever, how they should play. People are playing this game to have fun, I'm not spoiling their fun. Thats wrong.

To me, there's nothing legit about that. And if BHA accepts Odyssey, you accept people who party with botters. What's legit about that?

And again this was before they joined BHA and this blackhand was never on athens.

[TOloseGT]

witchhazel says he won't enforce no partying wit botters, but BHA does. if you catch neone in BHA cozying it up wit botters, give them a call and the individual(s) will be dealt with. simple as that.

[SuicideGrl]

And again this was before they joined BHA and this blackhand was never on athens.

not true.

we had a branch there.

till their leader was caught botting and i cut them off.

[Libertarian]

And again this was before they joined BHA

That was TWO WEEEKS AGO. Does that mean that I can bot as much as I want, then play legit for two weeks and BHA will accept me?

[Axeoo7]

And again this was before they joined BHA and this blackhand was never on athens.

not true.

we had a branch there.

till their leader was caught botting and i cut them off.

None of the bh from xian where there?

[deathtoall]

Asy, dont bring kids up on a forum. Pm him or gtfo. If yall are going to honestly say that odyssey fcked up the server then well dam. Odyssey grats on being just that badass. Cause I mean first you go in pms telling me fly that odyssey isnt shit, and that theyll never amount to anything. Now its they ruined the server. Witch, cheesecake is da shiznit. Oh and to everyone here. We got our own union set up. 6 Guilds already, and the second fckin day of forming Im called a bot supporter by none other than yalls wonderful hero of venus, fly. Does anyone remember when I posted the bots were not leaving, I specifically said they were rebuilding themselves here. And all you and nightbloom could say was I didnt know what i was talking about and my posts were false. Well, I told you so. I also remember telling people in BHA how yall were, experiencing it firsthand, I just didnt know this time yall would use Odyssey as an excuse for your actions. GG

P.S. hey fly how did you like dying the other day you were trying to get my union members plvl party killed. Keep it up and youll keep dying. See yas

edit dam bunches posted before i could..lol

[Axeoo7]

And again this was before they joined BHA

That was TWO WEEEKS AGO. Does that mean that I can bot as much as I want, then play legit for two weeks and BHA will accept me?

Thats two seperate things? im pretty sure they ment PT with legits that where in bot guilds not bots in bot guilds? And not pting with people actually botting? im not sure what there stance was but im guessing here.

[LadyGee]

And again this was before they joined BHA

That was TWO WEEEKS AGO. Does that mean that I can bot as much as I want, then play legit for two weeks and BHA will accept me?

are you retarded? Witch does not bot. He advises his guild not to party with bots but doesn't threaten to PK them if they do. and NO we wouldn't accept you if you botted.

[Libertarian]

Thats two seperate things? im pretty sure they ment PT with legits that where in bot guilds not bots in bot guilds?

Same difference. If you're in a bot guild but doesn't bot, you still support bots.

[Fly]

Thank you for convincing me to abandon the sinking ship that was and is Xian

your literaly days away from watching the next sinking ship, and all you have to say is a bunch of politicly correct bull?

[Axeoo7]

Thats two seperate things? im pretty sure they ment PT with legits that where in bot guilds not bots in bot guilds?

Same difference. If you're in a bot guild but doesn't bot, you still support bots.

Yeh im against that too i wont pt with bot guilds full stop but what im saying is they didnt bot nor get plvled by bots etc.

[Cherri]

The reason Fly put fck_Odessey on grantnames came after Witch said in his Union lets not party with Avalon anymore.
Why would Witch say something like that and try to fck with the legit unity ? Who is he to decide that BHA union should not stick with Avalon?

Bullshit, bullshit, and bullshit. May I ask who you heard this from? Witch was not even online when we were talking about the ksings. And Kewtie nor anyone said the similar crap. If that person took SS of the convo I would love to see it. Because he/she is making stuff up.

im here for my friends not to see bh which i thought was meant to be loyal to avalon much as avalon is loyal to them to backstab them yeh i dont like odyessey not to say i cnt get along with them i just dont like them as a whole, never wanted them in our union AGAIN!!!!

For God's sake, what the fck are you talking about? How exactly did we backstab? By accepting Avalon ppl in our parties? by helping them in FW? or what? They help us, we help them.


Fly, what is your definition of 'fake legits'?

Please get your facts straight before going into accusations.

[SuicideGrl]

Thank you for convincing me to abandon the sinking ship that was and is Xian

your literaly days away from watching the next sinking ship, and all you have to say is a bunch of politicly correct bull?

you are mere moments from excommunicating nearly 300 legits, and all you can say in response is commentary on my oration style?

i expected a little more than that Fly.

EDIT: convo with Fly has been continued in PMs. just so you all know, since half of venus' legit population is reading this.

[nightbloom]

I am tired of fighting.

I never thought I would say it. I am tired.

I fought for you guys. I fought a forum. I fought a server. I threw everything I had into that fight. I left parts of my guild behind. I gave up everything I had in Xian, which I will admit was pretty much monetary in the end.

I have endured a lot. Fly and I have stood back to back against outrageous odds. We proved that it was possible to win.

Then one guy, one stupid bot comes along and half a legit union is willing to shut us out of parties to get him to leave them alone.

I heard this from NevadaTan, "Just stay out of our parties till we are all stronger. The bot fight isnt really OUR fight cause we are too low level. Just let us level up."

I heard this from Goobronicus, "We just want to test it out, see if it works for a while."

I answered with, "So what if it works? Will you KEEP us out? What difference does it make?"

There was no answer to that. The fact that there were so many members of BHA that were totally behind this as a solution literally made me cry. I really feel like in that moment, we lost the fight. No longer were we all back to back, keeping the flood of botters back from Venus. Illusionist hates us BECAUASE we did that. And we did it for you. I dont know all of you, but I just wanted a nice place to play with all the people I lost in Xian. Strangely enough Axe was the last straw. Him getting hacked broke my heart and broke my desire to stay in Xian. I know it sounds weird cause I didnt even know him that well. Anyways...

If I have to fight you guys too, Im done. There is no more fight left. Fly isnt fighting against you for himself, he is fighting for me. You misunderstand the truly great guy he is. He gave me Venus so I could give it to you because I wanted to keep ppl like Wong and SG and Axe and Spank around a little while longer.

Quit yelling at him for defending me and my fight. You want Venus so bad, take it.... Ill personally throw the gates of the fortress open and you can fight the whole server for it.

[SuicideGrl]

again, you misunderstand both our words and our intentions.


nb, thank you. i for one needed to hear that. but if you are so willing to let that one bot, that one STUPID bot tear us apart, then how can i fight it? i wasn't there, i dunno what was said, but i can guarantee you 100% that we have, had, and will have no intention of leaving Avalon out of parties. if we are strong enough to form some on our own, that is a testament to our strength and your model.


fck illu. we don't care about him. we are used to him. let it go. we were not turning our backs on you. it is all out of context. i dunno how else to say it.

[Cherri]

Then one guy, one stupid bot comes along and half a legit union is willing to shut us out of parties to get him to leave them alone.

We did not stop partying with Avalon.

I heard this from NevadaTan, "Just stay out of our parties till we are all stronger. The bot fight isnt really OUR fight cause we are too low level. Just let us level up."

His comment does not represent the whole BHA.

I heard this from Goobronicus, "We just want to test it out, see if it works for a while."

I answered with, "So what if it works? Will you KEEP us out? What difference does it make?"

There was no answer to that. The fact that there were so many members of BHA that were totally behind this as a solution literally made me cry. I really feel like in that moment, we lost the fight.

It works. But no we did NOT keep any Avalon out. We only wanted to see if illusionist would ks us. We still invited Avalon members who were in line, you can ask them. (ie. InMySight90, LemonKiss, Spank, Wyvern, LT etc.) Again, we did NOT keep any Avalonians out. We invite whoever who ask to be put in line for the party. If you did not ask, of course, we wouldn't notice your existence thus wouldn't invite you. Please stop saying that we are keeping Avalon union out, because that is not true.


I respect you very much for everything you've done for legits and the whole server. But I, however, do not respect Fly and your attitude toward us (calling us fake legits on forum and bot dick suckers on the globals, respectively) without trying to find out what really went on.

This was just really a big misunderstanding/miscommunication if you have bothered to read any of Goob's, LadyG's, SG's, and my posts in this thread.

[Spanktastik]

Ill say from first hand experience, they did not shut us out of their parties. That same night, I joined up with them and lvled for a good while. Astra may have even joined too, I dont remember.

[Axeoo7]

I am tired of fighting.

I never thought I would say it. I am tired.

I fought for you guys. I fought a forum. I fought a server. I threw everything I had into that fight. I left parts of my guild behind. I gave up everything I had in Xian, which I will admit was pretty much monetary in the end.

I have endured a lot. Fly and I have stood back to back against outrageous odds. We proved that it was possible to win.

Then one guy, one stupid bot comes along and half a legit union is willing to shut us out of parties to get him to leave them alone.

I heard this from NevadaTan, "Just stay out of our parties till we are all stronger. The bot fight isnt really OUR fight cause we are too low level. Just let us level up."

I heard this from Goobronicus, "We just want to test it out, see if it works for a while."

I answered with, "So what if it works? Will you KEEP us out? What difference does it make?"

There was no answer to that. The fact that there were so many members of BHA that were totally behind this as a solution literally made me cry. I really feel like in that moment, we lost the fight. No longer were we all back to back, keeping the flood of botters back from Venus. Illusionist hates us BECAUASE we did that. And we did it for you. I dont know all of you, but I just wanted a nice place to play with all the people I lost in Xian. Strangely enough Axe was the last straw. Him getting hacked broke my heart and broke my desire to stay in Xian. I know it sounds weird cause I didnt even know him that well. Anyways...

If I have to fight you guys too, Im done. There is no more fight left. Fly isnt fighting against you for himself, he is fighting for me. You misunderstand the truly great guy he is. He gave me Venus so I could give it to you because I wanted to keep ppl like Wong and SG and Axe and Spank around a little while longer.

Quit yelling at him for defending me and my fight. You want Venus so bad, take it.... Ill personally throw the gates of the fortress open and you can fight the whole server for it.

NB im upset i dont know what to say, your taking these things all wrong alot of our members are not from xian some are completly new to the game we are fighting the same fight one gens pt shouldnt be causing all this chaos. This whole thing has blown all out of shape and is geting ugly.

Some people misunderstood the union chat thats how all this started no one banned any avalon from pts straight after this union chat and people going crazy we had avalon in pts we had inmysight waiting to join us and some others from avalon non of this anti-avalon happened from what i saw.

EDIT- Oh and i remember only after you guys killed witch did one bha guy make a bha only gens pt thinking you guys hate us or something that was Kiss0fDeath and that was only because you guys killed his guild member.

[Skyve]

It's funny how that in person that Illusionist is,teared the whole legit community

[Fly]

calling us bot dick suckers on globals

funny. i never used a single global on venus.

[Cherri]

calling us bot dick suckers on globals

funny. i never used a single global on venus.

nightbloom made the globals. but that's not really the point.

[LadyGee]

Why throw it all away? We aren't against you. As Jay has stated, we are on the same side.
I personally am just angry over your premature reaction and attack.

[nightbloom]

I called YOU no such thing. I called Kewtie, the person who says it was her idea, the dick sucker.

I have known and played with BHA far longer than you have, Im sure. I have been here since this game began and so has SG. I would never say such a thing about his guild and Im pretty sure he knows it. ANYONE who thinks that I called BH bot sympathizers is crazy.

Odyssey on the other hand has proven to be sympathetic in the past. There is ample evidence. I dont care if you like it or not.

[SuicideGrl]

I called YOU no such thing. I called Kewtie, the person who says it was her idea, the dick sucker.

I have known and played with BHA far longer than you have, Im sure. I have been here since this game began and so has SG. I would never say such a thing about his guild and Im pretty sure he knows it. ANYONE who thinks that I called BH bot sympathizers is crazy.

Odyssey on the other hand has proven to be sympathetic in the past. There is ample evidence. I dont care if you like it or not.

there are members of Avalon - and BH - who are former bots. we can be forgiving under the proper set of circumstances.

all i am asking is that you give those who are now members of our family a clean slate. i would not ask it of you unless i believed in it. and you DO know me.

[Cherri]

Sorry about that nb. Most of us thought it was to the whole union. Also, Kewtie did not suck botter's dick. She was just trying to help. She did not negotiate anything with illu. she just simply asked a few questions. (if you have read my previous post)

But what I'm trying to emphasize is that it was all just a misunderstanding and miscommunication. No need to ruin the unity over nothing.

[nightbloom]

I called YOU no such thing. I called Kewtie, the person who says it was her idea, the dick sucker.

I have known and played with BHA far longer than you have, Im sure. I have been here since this game began and so has SG. I would never say such a thing about his guild and Im pretty sure he knows it. ANYONE who thinks that I called BH bot sympathizers is crazy.

Odyssey on the other hand has proven to be sympathetic in the past. There is ample evidence. I dont care if you like it or not.

there are members of Avalon - and BH - who are former bots. we can be forgiving under the proper set of circumstances.

all i am asking is that you give those who are now members of our family a clean slate. i would not ask it of you unless i believed in it. and you DO know me.

Yes, but those members dont have a forum full of anti Avalon bs. They dont suggest we are shut out of parties. They dont post bot sympathetic posts about their guild. I can be forgiving of a person I have some measure of control or assurance of control over. How do I fight WITH someone who is always trying to pull the rug out from under my feet? I am constantly defending myself and the legit choices we have made against Odyssey and their weather vane legitness.

[SuicideGrl]

Yes, but those members dont have a forum full of anti Avalon bs. They dont suggest we are shut out of parties. They dont post bot sympathetic posts about their guild. I can be forgiving of a person I have some measure of control or assurance of control over. How do I fight WITH someone who is always trying to pull the rug out from under my feet? I am constantly defending myself and the legit choices we have made against Odyssey and their weather vane legitness.

the anti-avalon sentiments are being perpetuated, not alleviated. we MUST work to make it go away. it exists on BOTH sides. i can guarantee that their forum would be full of it less if the actions of some didn't continue to bring it about. WE CANNOT HEAL THIS UNLESS ALL ARE ON BOARD.

all i am asking is for you to try.