Sun Bow Drop yesterday.

[Necrobat]

riiiiiight. lets rondo one of the best weapons the legits have against the bots.

somehow, i just knew that was gonna be your answer.

found by an unlegit player, bought through unlegit means, obtained in a shady fashion.

if you were really trying to set a standard for legitness, you'd rondo it on the principle that it was involved in unlegit transactions.

No, you'd take it from them and use it against them to send the message of "If you've got good shit, we'll take it and put it in capable hands." We don't want them to be safe about their gear. We don't want them to not be worried about facing suns. We want them gone, and if stealing their suns and using them against them will do that trick, then as the saying goes, "all is fair in love and war."

[martian]

Who was selling gold to him now that is the true question

he bought out everyone like 7 companys
he raised the gold price buy 10 DOLLARS!

if you think its unfair to scam someone like that
theres something wrong with you

[TheDrop]

Lol if Asy scammed the shield from a goldbuyer/botter, then its even better .
scamming bots will get them mad, and they will gtfo of the server, which is win/win for us .

btw is the item unrepairable? cuz if it is, then that will suck :\, only 95 durability

[Skullbasher62]

No, you'd take it from them and use it against them to send the message of "If you've got good shit, we'll take it and put it in capable hands." We don't want them to be safe about their gear. We don't want them to not be worried about facing suns. We want them gone, and if stealing their suns and using them against them will do that trick, then as the saying goes, "all is fair in love and war."

it makes even more of an impression on them if you take their botted, bought gear and destroy it, then still whup their asses.

a way of sayin, "**** you, we don't need your shit to own you"

[donkyle]

No, you'd take it from them and use it against them to send the message of "If you've got good shit, we'll take it and put it in capable hands." We don't want them to be safe about their gear. We don't want them to not be worried about facing suns. We want them gone, and if stealing their suns and using them against them will do that trick, then as the saying goes, "all is fair in love and war."

it makes even more of an impression on them if you take their botted, bought gear and destroy it, then still whup their asses.

a way of sayin, "**** you, we don't need your shit to own you"

i want you to answer this question truthfully
Would you rondo the sun sheild if it was in your hands??????????????

[AngloKnight]

No, you'd take it from them and use it against them to send the message of "If you've got good shit, we'll take it and put it in capable hands." We don't want them to be safe about their gear. We don't want them to not be worried about facing suns. We want them gone, and if stealing their suns and using them against them will do that trick, then as the saying goes, "all is fair in love and war."

it makes even more of an impression on them if you take their botted, bought gear and destroy it, then still whup their asses.

a way of sayin, "**** you, we don't need your shit to own you"

i want you to answer this question truthfully
Would you rondo the sun sheild if it was in your hands??????????????

Jealousy Donkyle.. jealousy... a human nature... and i would never be pissed off at any legit or even a botter who scammed another botter... I'd be happy instead... and yeah, who on earth would rondo a sun in his hands???

EDIT: I'm not trying to start/resume/continue drama... i was just clarifying wats going on... now, here's an example... about those standards of being legitimate, now, think of that. The cops are using aggressive force to arrest a unarmed criminal, the cops are bad ppl now????

[TeamLosi]

don't see a problem with having a tained shield either then?

shoulda rondo'd it IMO.

riiiiiight. lets rondo one of the best weapons the legits have against the bots.

It didnt look like that shield helped Asy when Future was PVPing him at south sam a few days ago

[Skullbasher62]

i want you to answer this question truthfully
Would you rondo the sun sheild if it was in your hands??????????????

yes, yes i would. and i'd fraps it so that the whole community could cry as that little bright flash of light went off.

its not about jealousy, i'm a wizzard, i dont' need a shield. i sure as hell don't need to scam someone to get it or steal it from someone to get it.

and there are many examples of cops overusing aggressive force, usually stemming from them being corrupt.

[Blindfire]

don't see a problem with having a tained shield either then?

shoulda rondo'd it IMO.

riiiiiight. lets rondo one of the best weapons the legits have against the bots.

It didnt look like that shield helped Asy when Future was PVPing him at south sam a few days ago

It was 1v1 and both were buffed up the ass. Asy had no warrior buffs though only cleric whereas Future had the whole 9 yards.

[wakoo]

Jealousy Donkyle.. jealousy... a human nature... and i would never be pissed off at any legit or even a botter who scammed another botter... I'd be happy instead... and yeah, who on earth would rondo a sun in his hands???

EDIT: I'm not trying to start/resume/continue drama... i was just clarifying wats going on... now, here's an example... about those standards of being legitimate, now, think of that. The cops are using aggressive force to arrest a unarmed criminal, the cops are bad ppl now????

i think your taking it out of context with the cop thing, not the same thing... would you take money dropped from a drug dealer if the same money came from the drugs that killed someone in ur family?

see out of context but kinda the same thing... anyway if they call themselves the legits that set an example for the Venus community, then, i do think that rondoing and making a frap video of it would have sent a much stronger msg than keeping it. it looks like the rules apply only when in their favor, you know what i mean?

[Fly]

No, you'd take it from them and use it against them to send the message of "If you've got good shit, we'll take it and put it in capable hands." We don't want them to be safe about their gear. We don't want them to not be worried about facing suns. We want them gone, and if stealing their suns and using them against them will do that trick, then as the saying goes, "all is fair in love and war."

it makes even more of an impression on them if you take their botted, bought gear and destroy it, then still whup their asses.

that reply was almost as stupid as the "give botters the fortress to prove you can take it back from them" argument that we had a while back.

you cant make an "impression" on a programe. all it knows is 1's and 0's. as for its owner, they are afk.

and if you think scamming is bad, get used to it. as bots find sosuns, we will take them. we will infiltrate there guilds. we will scam them blind. we will pimp our asses out in full sosuns and we will use it against them every day they stay on venus. We did it once on Xian and we will do it again here.

a way of sayin, "**** you, we don't need your shit to own you"

Since Avalon is the only ones that are ever doing the "owning" part of this bot war, I think we will pick which methods we want to use. We have been fighting and winning since day 1 of this server and we are doing a great job. Either join in the fight, or get out of the way. Dont question the methods of those who are doing all the damn work for you.

[TheDrop]

i want you to answer this question truthfully
Would you rondo the sun sheild if it was in your hands??????????????

yes, yes i would. and i'd fraps it so that the whole community could cry as that little bright flash of light went off.

its not about jealousy, i'm a wizzard, i dont' need a shield. i sure as hell don't need to scam someone to get it or steal it from someone to get it.

and there are many examples of cops overusing aggressive force, usually stemming from them being corrupt.

u just answered ur own question. u are a wiz, u dont need a shield. asy is a warrior, he needs the shield. now since asy has a sun item that he can use, and u dont, u are jealous of him and want the item destroyed. now lets look at it like this. u gotta 9D sun +9 staff after u killed a botter that bought it from a another botter. will u destroy that staff? be honest with the answer.

[Fly]

lol

/Rondos a sosun shield. Take that evil botter! We just made ourself weaker!! HAH! TAKE THAT!!! OWNED JOOO

makes as much sence as a bunny with a pancake on its head.

[tedo]

this thread A) went way off topic B) will never end

[non ego man]

this thread A) went way off topic B) will never end

Yeah, but its a good and important discussion. It seems to be an argument about whether the ends justify the means. Is it okay to scam a bot or goldbuyer? I actually think keeping or rondoing the item is incidental.

In the end:

Gold prices skyrocket (good)
Legit owns Sun (good)
Nonlegit leaves server (good)
Bots/goldbuyers worried (good)
The original bot who got the drop made w/e from it (bad)

So on balance, a lot of good came from it with the only bad thing being that whoever cyrusis bought the shield from has a ton of gold now.

Also, the "friendship" issue is another matter. Whether it was right or not to scam someone you've known for a while.

[Skullbasher62]

u just answered ur own question. u are a wiz, u dont need a shield. asy is a warrior, he needs the shield. now since asy has a sun item that he can use, and u dont, u are jealous of him and want the item destroyed. now lets look at it like this. u gotta 9D sun +9 staff after u killed a botter that bought it from a another botter. will u destroy that staff? be honest with the answer.

there is a major difference between killing a botter and getting its drop, and scamming a guildmate who bought gold to purchase an item. if you can't figure that out, there's somethin wrong with you.

and if you think scamming is bad, get used to it. as bots find sosuns, we will take them. we will infiltrate there guilds. we will scam them blind. we will pimp our asses out in full sosuns and we will use it against them every day they stay on venus. We did it once on Xian and we will do it again here.

a way of sayin, "**** you, we don't need your shit to own you"

Since Avalon is the only ones that are ever doing the "owning" part of this bot war, I think we will pick which methods we want to use. We have been fighting and winning since day 1 of this server and we are doing a great job. Either join in the fight, or get out of the way. Dont question the methods of those who are doing all the damn work for you.

and this is why i'll never have respect for you. back when you were on xian and i played on troy, you caused all this bullshit forum drama and i had little respect for you then, and i surely don't have any now. you're not doing any "damn work" for me, i'm not gaining any benefits from your war on bots, and tbh, bots really arn't bothering me. the caves are empty and parties are plentiful in the BHA, so you have your fun, and i'll have mine.

[TheDrop]

u just answered ur own question. u are a wiz, u dont need a shield. asy is a warrior, he needs the shield. now since asy has a sun item that he can use, and u dont, u are jealous of him and want the item destroyed. now lets look at it like this. u gotta 9D sun +9 staff after u killed a botter that bought it from a another botter. will u destroy that staff? be honest with the answer.

there is a major difference between killing a botter and getting its drop, and scamming a guildmate who bought gold to purchase an item. if you can't figure that out, there's somethin wrong with you.

i dont understand u. scamming a guildmate?

[ThisIsAvalon]

and if you think scamming is bad, get used to it. as bots find sosuns, we will take them. we will infiltrate there guilds. we will scam them blind. we will pimp our asses out in full sosuns and we will use it against them every day they stay on venus. We did it once on Xian and we will do it again here.

We?

[Talonos]

this thread A) went way off topic B) will never end

Yeah, but its a good and important discussion. It seems to be an argument about whether the ends justify the means. Is it okay to scam a bot or goldbuyer? I actually think keeping or rondoing the item is incidental.

In the end:

Gold prices skyrocket (good)
Legit owns Sun (good)
Nonlegit leaves server (good)
Bots/goldbuyers worried (good)
The original bot who got the drop made w/e from it (bad)

So on balance, a lot of good came from it with the only bad thing being that whoever cyrusis bought the shield from has a ton of gold now.

Also, the "friendship" issue is another matter. Whether it was right or not to scam someone you've known for a while.

You forgot the 1000+ slot influx in gold bots because the moron bought 4 billion gold and was from Venus server.


As for Drama Queen meh, take it how you want. Is it true the gentleman in question was a part of Avalon union or not? Is is true you were selling him FW gold earnings in exchange for silk? I mean hey it's YOUR war fight it how you want hypocracy and all. As I have already stated I will not be a part of your dictatorship or your hypocracy no matter how you try to spin it. Everything was fine whilst he bought YOUR gold from FW, but now he's a "gold buyer" because he got 4 billion from outside sources. Isn't selling FW gold the same as the gold bots do? Lets here the bunny and pancake defense now mmmkay. Taking a drop off a botter, and scamming someone from your own union because you wanted something from them are two different things. But then again you could have went with plan A and just PKed him and got it as was threatened when he first aquired it anyways.

[Skullbasher62]

i dont understand u. scamming a guildmate?

are you daft?

cyrusis was in Avalon before he bought the 4bil gold to buy the shield. he then let Asy borrow it and Asy wouldn't give it back. they then found out that Cyrusis bought gold and kicked him from avalon. hence scammed/stolen from a guildmate.

[ThisIsAvalon]

i dont understand u. scamming a guildmate?

are you daft?

cyrusis was in Avalon before he bought the 4bil gold to buy the shield. he then let Asy borrow it and Asy wouldn't give it back. they then found out that Cyrusis bought gold and kicked him from avalon. hence scammed/stolen from a guildmate.

Get your story straight before posting it.

[Skullbasher62]

Get your story straight before posting it.

well since no one has posted the official avalon version of the tale of the miraculous acquisition of the 9th degree SOSun shield, why don't you do it, so we can all be clear on what really happened that fateful day. it still does not change the fact that Cyrusis was a member of avalon when he bought the shield.

[TheDrop]

i dont understand u. scamming a guildmate?

are you daft?

cyrusis was in Avalon before he bought the 4bil gold to buy the shield. he then let Asy borrow it and Asy wouldn't give it back. they then found out that Cyrusis bought gold and kicked him from avalon. hence scammed/stolen from a guildmate.

Get your story straight before posting it.

+1. i didnt know anything about cyrusis being in avalon and him buying gold and shit. so stfu skullbasher. i will not flame u as u are doing to me. anyway, scamming a goldbuyer is the same thing as scamming a botter. its all good.

[non ego man]

You forgot the 1000+ slot influx in gold bots because the moron bought 4 billion gold and was from Venus server.

That would have happened anyway. The question is whether the gold selling companies will leave their goldbots on longer to build up a greater inventory or if they understand this is a one-off and will just run their bots the same as they always have. Put another way: will they raise their inventory cap based on Cyrusis' purchase? I don't know the answer to that.

[[SD]Kratos]

I agree with skull it would be good to have the "official" version...

+1. i didnt know anything about cyrusis being in avalon and him buying gold and shit. so stfu skullbasher. i will not flame u as u are doing to me. anyway, scamming a goldbuyer is the same thing as scamming a botter. its all good.

If you have no idea what you're talking about than shut it. And also dont say u wont flame skullbasher and same time u tell him to stfu...=.=

[Fly]

Cyrusis was kicked out of avalon.

then 2 hours later he globes shit about nightbloom being an evil bitch.

then an hour later asyamura sweet talks him into giving him the shield.

that was AFTER he was kicked and knew he had no chance of ever rejoining.

Plus, I never sold him gold. I repaid a debt nightbloom owed to him back from xian. The money he gave us was a donation on SRA useing the donate button. In excange for the donation, all he got was a cute red V.I.P name and the 1337 ability to make tounements in the arcade.


Avalon should make a "silent protest" against morons

[TheDrop]

I agree with skull it would be good to have the "official" version...

+1. i didnt know anything about cyrusis being in avalon and him buying gold and shit. so stfu skullbasher. i will not flame u as u are doing to me. anyway, scamming a goldbuyer is the same thing as scamming a botter. its all good.

If you have no idea what you're talking about than shut it. And also dont say u wont flame skullbasher and same time u tell him to stfu...=.=

i disagreed on his thought of rondoing the item, cuz avalon could need it (against bots) and scamming goldbuyers is ok too. dont have to know about the drama to beable to say that do i?

btw i cant shut it cause i think in my brain while i type, not talk with my mouth =.=

[t0rch]

This thread has gone way out of hand. Someone should post the official story. but until then:

[deathtoall]

So are you all saying that you can't beat the bots on Venus without the sun shield? Because By not destroying it you are showing how weak you are. You don't need suns to beat the bots. They cant even stand up to yall now. Just fraps it while destroying. << That will Piss alot of them off worse than keeping it.

[t0rch]

Picture you have the ONLY 76 euro shield on the server. Would you press fuse when the shit came down to it? Destroying it would send a message sure, that we're Farking retarded. The bots wouldn't do it if they had it back, so we shouldn't either.

If we can beat them without it, then why destroy it?