This white list thing...

[bryanvan]

its bullshit for a big part! I mean comon seriously we were partying at sungs for like a few hours with some guy. Then a other guy came and said "he isnt on the white list" imma leave. Whole party crashed. Then 1 hour later same thing happends.
I think its bull when there only about 10 guilds on the white list to party with when theres like 500 guilds in the server left to play with. Not all guilds are un-legit.
Also the ones i've partyed with were legit. were talking and killing and supporting all the time..

[caseyd4]

BOOM, I agree.

[bryanvan]

I mean the rules are ok to a certain point. But I find it that they need some improvment on some spots.
Especially for the lower levels.

[caseyd4]

Where I agree with the vast majority of Rules, for the better of the server.

I believe not allowing players to play with other legits because they are not part of the "White List" is going a bit far.

No offence made in my next reference but...

If Barotix cannot be banned by the SRF for a ban by JM, for illict practises.

Then how can you ban people partying with people who can confirm they are legit. Sure there is the chance that person is botting or bot Pw Leveling while your not there, but are we to make this assumption about everyone. The situation with Baro proves it.

Innocent to Proven Guilty, Simple association is not enough for me.


Im seriously considering leaving the the "Confederation" and setting up my own "legit" Union.

It would be far more legit under my eyes not to judge others before you know them.

[caseyd4]

Furthering this Issue I would like to point out the Direct violation of SRF's own Rules

Under the 5 Easy ways to get banned from SRF, which are left with the warning

I want to make it perfectly clear that this will NOT be tolerated here, and that continuing to defy the rules will get you permamently banned from this forum. Don't wanna be banned? DON'T DO THESE THINGS.

2) Be a bigot. Post SS of globals, whispers, or other interactions with a member of a particular race, nationality, religion, sex, etc. that is meant to defame, degrade, or ridicule them for being a member of that class. Make threads about how much you hate people from X and how they are ruining the game for you. Put racist slogans, images, etc. in your sig/avatar. Screw it up once and you get a warning. Ignore that warning and you will lose the right to post, display signatures, etc. Continue to defy and you will be banned, period.

As this Federation promotes acts of racism as I have shown Above, I would like the "Legit Confederation" To Either amend its Rules or Leave.

[TOloseGT]

i think only having the white list is dumb. they gave the reason that "certain guilds like (avalonsux or some guild like that) is obviously non-legit", well, put them on the black list. the deal wit "too great a risk of partying wit botting guilds" is retarded. just put botting guilds on blacklist.

EDIT: changed word

[Stefaab]

its bullshit for a big part! I mean comon seriously we were partying at sungs for like a few hours with some guy. Then a other guy came and said "he isnt on the white list" imma leave. Whole party crashed. Then 1 hour later same thing happends.
I think its bull when there only about 10 guilds on the white list to party with when theres like 500 guilds in the server left to play with. Not all guilds are un-legit.
Also the ones i've partyed with were legit. were talking and killing and supporting all the time..

agree! i had the same thing, also at sungsung ^^

i instantly left venus for this bullshit lol, rather be legit somewhere else.

[endymion]

We initially had a black list....but people start to abuse from it and theres too many guilds to control who are legit or not...so we know use the white list that we know theyre 100% legit. Because how you know the other chars dont get plv by bots or by gold? or anything else?

I know you guys complain because you cant start a nice pt bcz not enough ppl. Well theres a lot of low lv ppl out there in legits guilds, but its all about friends and to get to union all ppl. And we trying to propose a solution so we can all comunicate bcz 20 friends isnt enough and not every1 can have union chat to promote their pt.

And we all have that problem that you guys have. This server worked bcz of the rules. Can u even start a pt on the other bot crowded servers??? Well in time we can get more legits to join our server the more legits guild u can pt with.

[borat2]

We initially had a black list....but people start to abuse from it and theres too many guilds to control who are legit or not...so we know use the white list that we know theyre 100% legit. Because how you know the other chars dont get plv by bots or by gold? or anything else?

I know you guys complain because you cant start a nice pt bcz not enough ppl. Well theres a lot of low lv ppl out there in legits guilds, but its all about friends and to get to union all ppl. And we trying to propose a solution so we can all comunicate bcz 20 friends isnt enough and not every1 can have union chat to promote their pt.

And we all have that problem that you guys have. This server worked bcz of the rules. Can u even start a pt on the other bot crowded servers??? Well in time we can get more legits to join our server the more legits guild u can pt with.

those rules are there for a reason i agree but they are so easy to control ob higher levels than on lower levels.

There are so many low level chars on new servers a rule like that can cause a lot of problems, probably the reason why avalon made a list of builds and started it with 50+ i believe.

This was kinda my first frustration i faced when i moved to venus, people that are playing from day 1 expect everyone to know all players/guilds the list made things easier but there are still people guildless that aren't in any of the list should you simply add then to your party or not? basically until proven wrong anyone should be allowed in your party.

[Luca_k_3]

the solution is simple: dont bot and dont let ur guildmates do so, as well. then post on SRA to get accepted in the whitelist. ull now have the possibility to party with ppl of hte confederation who follow these rules.
else, if u cant be sure ur guildmates dont bot, be guildless and ull be able to party with us if not blacklisted

[t0rch]

why is everyone stealing my avatar D;


the white list is necessary, end of story

[Clam]

seriously if you guys are so fed up with the rules why dont you create your own guild and union with your own set of rules instead of just bitching about it

[Luca_k_3]

why is everyone stealing my avatar D;

noone is stealing it's only public and easily picked

the white list is necessary, end of story

QFT, +infinite

seriously, i dont wanna get mixed up with bots or bots supporters, so this is very useful to me

EDIT: didnt see the post here, same time...

Clam I have my own decisions to make, I may well leave and setup my own Union..

HOWEVER

On this Thread I would like to point out how IT is Contradiction with SRF rules !

Thank you.

i dont think u can say the confederation rules are in contradiction with SRF rules unless u define bots as a "race": they arent, the bots themselves are programs, not living being; as for the botters, they are equally humans, no one stated the opposite.

[caseyd4]

Clam I have my own decisions to make, I may well leave and setup my own Union..

HOWEVER

On this Thread I would like to point out how IT is Contradiction with SRF rules !

Thank you.

[Pericles]

its bullshit for a big part! I mean comon seriously we were partying at sungs for like a few hours with some guy. Then a other guy came and said "he isnt on the white list" imma leave. Whole party crashed. Then 1 hour later same thing happends.
I think its bull when there only about 10 guilds on the white list to party with when theres like 500 guilds in the server left to play with. Not all guilds are un-legit.
Also the ones i've partyed with were legit. were talking and killing and supporting all the time..

The solution is SO simple.

When somebody which is not in whitelist gets in, just talk with party leader for kick him... so simple!.

If you dun like the rules, heres like 29 servers which you can party with ppl without rules.

!!!!, excuse me, i forgot, theres no ppl, bcz all ppl in the rest of servers BOTS if theyre chinese, and PLVLS if they are euro.

I hate my last server, bcz all was that!

[caseyd4]

ITS NOT YOUR SERVER.

Get of your HIGH HORSE

[Luca_k_3]

ITS NOT YOUR SERVER.

Get of your HIGH HORSE

no need to make such a ruckus...

indeed, it's not my server, but it is also sure that is thanks to avalonian forced rules that Venus is what it is, both good and bad parts.
u cant suddenly come there when it has turned in a (much) less bot-infested server and spout that it isnt right.

[caseyd4]

I know, but you ignore the fact that some of those avalon and other members that helped clear of bots, Where Botters.


I am not saying its not a great thing, What im saying is that being such bigots is worse.

[Toasty]

If you dont like how this server is.. join another. Would be so much simpler.

[caseyd4]

Why would I leave the server, Il leave the Federation. Thats about it.

Promoting Racism, Should never be accepted in any form of life in ANY FORM.

I feel obliged to leave Asylum im sad to say.
I will talk to Nogegon when I get online.

A new Union will be setup, with morals appropiate for the game.

[Toasty]

Why would I leave the server, Il leave the Federation. Thats about it.

Promoting Racism, Should never be accepted in any form of life.

I feel obliged to leave Asylum im sad to say.
I will talk to Nogegon when I get online.

A new Union will be setup, with morals appropiate for the game.

I dont understand why you would do that. Guilds apart from the confederation ones are generally failures. Venus doesnt work like that.

[caseyd4]

Not everything is about power, which you may fail to realise.

[Toasty]

Fail? That doesnt mean not being strong and powerful.. it means being crap.

[caseyd4]

You my Sir are an IDIOT

[Belgarath]

casey, I can't seem to find any racism in the values of the Confederation...What you posted had no relevance to anything. Bots are NOT a race. I have no idea what is going on in your head.

Fuck you.
We hate bots, and we will continue to degrade them.

PS: My horse is too tall to get off.

[Clam]

+1 lol racism on bots?

[Luca_k_3]

seems u r really fast to BETRAY ppl who gave u possibilities: u r leaving asylum and BHA just for this? because u dont (want to) understand venus situation and avalonian rules?
i, myself, prolly dont really like fly, nb and some others hotheads in ava union, but i SURELY agree to the confederation rules.
it seems u dont understand that:
1- bots are programs, not living beings, so couldn possibly be a "race".
2- botters are equally humans, noone sentenced the opposite.

[caseyd4]

I am not saying its racist to hate bots,

I am saying its morrally wrong to say you cannot party with Legits because they do not carry your companies Approval.

Hey if you all want to join Americas War on Terrorism thats fine with me,

Id rather be democratic about it and not kill the innocents left in between.

[Clam]

what the **** does this have to do with with that!? seriously listen to yourself

[Pericles]

A new Union will be setup, with morals appropiate for the game.

GL!, u are going to need it. Because you will be seen as one guild more here.