Avalon and BHA union...

[AngloKnight]

Okay, today I've been really pissed off and disappointed with our attitude... I was in a pretty party with some union members, then they left, joined another one... soo, our party died... when we saw those guys later, we asked to them to party with us, and they were like silent... their party died later and they joined mine... Thing is, w.t.f??? we're in one union... As an Avalon member, I think whenever some union mate forms up a party s/he shud give priorities to union mates, then to BHA mates/friends/ and legits... Some times I would be like, if I kick that guy to get a union mate the party could die... but, wot if I find lots of union mates? first thing shud be done is to join with them... Well, if any of Avalon and BHA leaders agree with me, please let us know... It's just lame to find union mates in other parties, having a good party while others can't...

[foudre]

fair is fair and I don't like kicking people from a party if they are doing their job even for a mate, if they are slacking and i find a replacment mate then tehy are gone, or i try to save a spot for a mate if they saw they gonna join before letting any one else join, but i don't like kicking some one who is legitimately doing their job, how the hell is that fair to them

[Belgarath]

Well first off, you have to be specific. Give names, dates, etc. Fly and SG can only have so much control over their unions and it is a difficult task when it comes to keeping ~100 people on the same page, obeying the same rules, and holding the same values. Some issues need to be resolved person by person, while others can be solved by a widespread message.

I do agree with you though. You just need to address these issues with details so they can be fixed.

[Sayumi]

foudre is cooool ;D i agree with him
& please do not hate on my character because its chinese people! its a nuker calm down >:[

[Astra]

Party Priority:

1. Guild Members
-If you get all the necessary builds for a good party from the same guild, guild members have priority then.
2. Union Members
- If you need a tank/cleric/wizard in that party, union members get priority.
3. Alliance
- If you can't find any tank/cleric/wizard online in the union at that time, you accept alliance members in that party.

[[SD]Kratos]

Talking about alliance, is everyone aware in Avalon union that BHAis friend and peaceful with you guys?

Cuz yesterday i got called a noob twice. By avalon/union

[VersaLicious]

hmm, what if u don't feel good about one of ur guild/union members, or he sucks in PTs he just sits around leeching exp ! or maybe he is just a jerk and u don't wanna let him ruin the PT...there must be exceptions I think.

[Fly]

Talking about alliance, is everyone aware in Avalon union that BHAis friend and peaceful with you guys?

Cuz yesterday i got called a noob twice. By avalon/union

who was it?

and btw your a noob!

[[SD]Kratos]

Talking about alliance, is everyone aware in Avalon union that BHAis friend and peaceful with you guys?

Cuz yesterday i got called a noob twice. By avalon/union

who was it?

and btw your a noob!

lmao. Yeah i know that but still

[AngloKnight]

I kinda agreee with you all, but Foudre, I guess wot you're saying is a bit opposite to wot you're trying to do... earlier you said you want to ban power lvl, you and WitchHazel, so union mates could party... now, you're killing the idea of union parties... lol... we do need to have some control over it... I didn't say kick someone to get a union mate in, but well, here's my situation... I was in a party, mainly having union mambers... They left the party, joined another one... When me and my party mates saw them in their new parties we were like wtf, they should be in our party instead...
Soo, my point is, we were kinda enough to start our own party, but some prefered to join others... which is lame... Yeah, the whole thing is contradicting, like some other non union legit players losing parties bec. of that move.. so, discuss...

[ThisIsAvalon]

First priority is having a party that works. If you have 8 bards that want to get in one party, and they're all union, then theres no real point to even having the party. (unless you want to invent the northern lights) Once you have a WORKING party, you should accept other people in. Usually I accept guild+union first, then other people. I count BHA as part of our alliance. If a lvl 60 guildmate wanted to join, and there was a lvl 60 non-guildie, I would kick the non for the guildie.


Kratos is a noob btw, ima call him a noob when I login.

[nightbloom]

I agree, Kratos is noob.

[[SD]Kratos]

lol. Shit they discovered my real identity! Time to move server again

xD

[Spanktastik]

Kratos? Hmmm.... oh yeah, that _Celsius_ noob.

T3ddy, I agree with you to some extent. However, I know a few non-union/alliance people who are 10x better at their job than some of our union/alliance members. In order to get a fully functional party, I would choose them first. If there is someone in the party not doing their job, going afk constantly, attacking when they should be healing, constantly KDing, etc. then I would replace them anytime for a union member good or bad just because they irritate me lol.

[SuicideGrl]

90% of the time we are able to form a full pt with BH, SD, and ASY members. if not, i have a ton of avalon union people on friends list to union pts for me, and many of them on that list are builds we often need and near my lvl. ask Narc or Salem, I pm them constantly lol.


once we have enough people for the pt to work, i will accept any class, but priority is always given to union. union = BHA + Avalon. if we have a duplicate we don't need and they're non-union, i will often kick for a union member who needs pt, but if we have a good pt and a union member wants in which would give us a class we don'tneed, i am more hesitant to do so. as a tank, my responsibility is to make sure my pt stays alive, and i won't jeopardize that unless i have a good reason to do so.


in my opinion, a functional party is the first priority. BHA uses this foruma, and it works:
3 tanks
3 casters
1 cleric
1 bard


sometimes we sub a rogue for a caster (hi quickstream lol), or a bard for a tank, etc., but the three tanks thing works well for us - two to lure, one to protect the ints.


just be aware of who is online, who needs a party, and what will work best for what you need. i encourage you all to get as many people near your lvl of classes you know you often need or your half of the union doesn't have many of onto your friends list as possible. it's the only way to ensure a full, friendly, effective party.

[AngloKnight]

Okay now I see like 2 policies going on to handle this issue...

1st. If we have a working legit party, no need to kick ppl to get union members in.

2nd. Giving priorities to union members, then alliance members, then other legits and friends.

Yeah, the 2nd one has exceptions like having some guy who can't heal well, so he should get kicked.. well, although I don't agree with this bitching policy, but I'd rather say, why not teach him how to use his character better... Yeah, me myself, sometimes ppl tell me do so, and don't do so... I'd be okay, as you like, but at least tell me why, just not bossy orders...

Sooo, seems we've got already several policies for handling parties, which is a bit contradiciting with the objectives of banning power lvl... I'd like Fly and other leaders from Avalon and BHA discuss it here so other junior members would know wot they should do when they're the leaders of their own parties...

[nightbloom]

Personally, I say dont kick anyone from a functioning party. If it is working, dont break it. With two nice big active unions, there should be plenty of ppl for party making. I dont see how that is at odds with keeping the PLing down.

We arent trying to eradicate all legit PLing, just lessen it.

[foudre]

Party Priority:

1. Guild Members
-If you get all the necessary builds for a good party from the same guild, guild members have priority then.
2. Union Members
- If you need a tank/cleric/wizard in that party, union members get priority.
3. Alliance
- If you can't find any tank/cleric/wizard online in the union at that time, you accept alliance members in that party.

THERE IS NO PRIORITY, after you have accepted them what a jack ass thing to do to kick for some one else, priority comes when forming party not after, if they dont' do their job then its ok to replace them other then that its just a jackass thing to do

[Necrobat]

Party Priority:

1. Guild Members
-If you get all the necessary builds for a good party from the same guild, guild members have priority then.
2. Union Members
- If you need a tank/cleric/wizard in that party, union members get priority.
3. Alliance
- If you can't find any tank/cleric/wizard online in the union at that time, you accept alliance members in that party.

THERE IS NO PRIORITY, after you have accepted them what a jack ass thing to do to kick for some one else, priority comes when forming party not after, if they dont' do their job then its ok to replace them other then that its just a jackass thing to do

You don't just kick them without saying a thing, you nicely go, "Look, I'm sorry, but a guild/union/alliance member really needs this spot so he can level. Would you be willing to allow him to join even though it leaves you without a party? I'll be sure to contact you once there's a space available." Kicking outta no where is a bit uncalled for (Hey Asy, first night, remember? ) But if it's working really well, definitely don't break it.

As for the case of union sucking, anybody remember when we had Mavericks in the union, and the infamous Wyvern? Shittest tank ever, and refused to learn. Wondered why some of us never wanted to party with him. >__>

[Astra]

As for the case of union sucking, anybody remember when we had Mavericks in the union, and the infamous Wyvern? Shittest tank ever, and refused to learn. Wondered why some of us never wanted to party with him. >__>

Oh man, that tank is a MUST have in a Perfect Dying (deleveling) Party. I don't want you to experience his luring, never never.

This is from my own experience with this tank.

[Necrobat]

As for the case of union sucking, anybody remember when we had Mavericks in the union, and the infamous Wyvern? Shittest tank ever, and refused to learn. Wondered why some of us never wanted to party with him. >__>

Oh man, that tank is a MUST have in a Perfect Dying (deleveling) Party. I don't want you to experience his luring, never never.

This is from my own experience with this tank.

You should hear nightbloom rant about him.

[Dian Jie]

Talking about alliance, is everyone aware in Avalon union that BHAis friend and peaceful with you guys?

Cuz yesterday i got called a noob twice. By avalon/union

YOU NOOB!

And do tell the story about the nub tank, plz plz!

[Necrobat]

Oh I do love this story.

It all began with a guild called Mavericks. I'm sure you've seen them around the server if you've been to Hotan. Most of them were nice enough people, except this one 2H tank; Wyvern. One day, nightbloom and myself decided to help some of the lower levels with their parties, because the highest party at that time had all logged off. So we end up helping this party out at Shakrams and we tried to help teach some people to improve their roles. Cue the entrance of Wyvern.

We start questioning him about why he isn't buffing people, and he starts going, "Well, why aren't you healing?" We're like, "Well, for one, I don't want to heal without buffs, because that'll cause the cleric to die. Two, you actually have to be TANKING the mobs. Not pulling them through the wizards and running like a pussy." He gets angry because he dies, in which time some of the other Ints in the party had died.

He starts to get annoyed with us, eventually resorting to calling us botters. Woot, look, two high level cleric bots. >___> Needless to say, we left. Caused a bit of strife in union. Had some good laughs at his expense.

And that's the story. Now go to bed you little scamps! lol

[hitokiri]

lol i like that story. thanks! *goes to sleep*

[martian]

ya well you never HAD to train with him i did =[ horible HORRIBLE times
i would lose SO much exp