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Nukers vs Pure str (can Nukers ever win)
Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 4:46 pm
by Apache
Hey guys, i really need help. Im building a light/fire nuker on Greece. I want to do lots of damage but at the same to win against pure str in pvp. I want to know what magical balance and what skills i need to last long enough to beat a pure str in pvp. Plz help me.

Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 5:53 pm
by pureHATE
whats ur lvl at the moment...?
Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 7:43 pm
by Apache
lvl16 sp farming 30k
dont go pure int nuker
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:44 am
by ginebra
dont go pure int nuker coz if u do u will never have a chance against pure str in pvp unless they are 10 levels below u
i suggest u go int based hybrid 2:1. ur nukes will still pack a punch plus u get the extra hp to survive 1 crit from a fire glaive. btw, when i say 2:1 int hybrid.. it doesnt mean u add 2 to int and 1 to str every level. i am talking about the stat ratio. try to keep ur str half as high as your int. u will probably get 85% magic so ur nuke's damage will be weaker by as much as 20-25% but u will have 40-50% more hp

Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 11:01 am
by Apache
Im will start off pure int till lvl 40+ so that i can lvl quickly, and then at lvl 40 add points into str till i have 2:1 hybrid. What skills are needed to help a nuker survive. does a Nuker need the force heal skills. plz write bak
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:50 pm
by Brutish1
Or go light/ice and nuke from inside the christal wall.

Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 2:00 pm
by XMoshe
Brutish1 wrote:Or go light/ice and nuke from inside the christal wall.

sorry but that is just stupid
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 6:32 pm
by Devotia
XMoshe wrote:Brutish1 wrote:Or go light/ice and nuke from inside the christal wall.

sorry but that is just stupid
how so? It gives you a HUGE chunk of HP, and completely negates the first hit against you. All your attacks are ranged, so the only thing that will give you trouble is a bower. And even with all of this you can tele away if your shield goes down, and recast. Not to mention it'll save a LOT of trouble PvE.
It might not be as damaging as a light/fire, but it's quite a bit more resilient. Just because it's different doesn't mean its stupid.
Re: Nukers vs Pure str (can Nukers ever win)
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:38 pm
by Prowess_II
Apache wrote:Hey guys, i really need help. Im building a light/fire nuker on Greece. I want to do lots of damage but at the same to win against pure str in pvp. I want to know what magical balance and what skills i need to last long enough to beat a pure str in pvp. Plz help me.

If you are talking about 1v1, nukers will not win. Nukers are not meant to win against 1v1, they are meant for group pvp. IMO, reasons of nukers being good at group pvp is that a few nukes and pure str are gone. You might have a chance against STR bladers or bows(not quite sure), but glaves, if they crit you, your basically dead.
Hybrid is ok I guess, but your going to do less damage, and higher damage is important for nukers. You will last longer in a fight against a pure str because of more hp, but it'll even take longer for you to kill them.
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 11:30 pm
by Misaklo
not a bow. they crit almost as hard a glaive with anti-devil not to mention huge crit increase. and a strongbow crit can surpass nukes..... but it still suks in PvP
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 11:41 pm
by ShizKnight
Devotia wrote:XMoshe wrote:Brutish1 wrote:Or go light/ice and nuke from inside the christal wall.

sorry but that is just stupid
how so? It gives you a HUGE chunk of HP, and completely negates the first hit against you. All your attacks are ranged, so the only thing that will give you trouble is a bower. And even with all of this you can tele away if your shield goes down, and recast. Not to mention it'll save a LOT of trouble PvE.
It might not be as damaging as a light/fire, but it's quite a bit more resilient. Just because it's different doesn't mean its stupid.
OR, the Pure Str will step out of your range and wait for you to lower ur Crystal Wall.
The key to Pure Int PvP is to attack the Pure Str from behind, and before they can react. Nuke fast, hard, and discreetly.
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 11:46 pm
by Misaklo
how exactly is a fireball or bolt of lighting discreet? lol
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:07 am
by BlueFeather
Crystal Wall/Fire Tower ----> really is quite useless
The ONLY practical use for these skills would be a nuker against another nuker of equivalent level (ie: able to one nuke each other). And it also matters on different situations and its up to the player to know how to use it. If you are neither a nuker or practical thinker, dont get these skills.
They are pointless for a str user due to the combos that will demolish the wall, and then you.
I have tested these out. The only practicaly use is---> if you expect an oppenent will try to nuke you, then (if you are fast enough) cast the wall to negate their first attack ---> which leads them open for an attack.
But. this then comes out as situation based only. There are many factors that can pretty much end up your death for a nuker who uses these 'walls'. They are useless when you are running around looking to smack someone in the head --(the speed that you cast is just too slow IMO). Useless against a nuker you cannont 1 hit (someone of a higher level) who would just second nuke you once the wall is down.
Pretty much, the fact that it has all these factors makes it non-practical.
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:30 am
by Monition
blue ur such a hater
im going firewall whether u like it or not! muahaha
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:39 am
by specialedd
I have heard that reinforement increases your damage.(i heard dont flame me).
Armor dosnt help you THAT much in a fight with me(full str fire glavie) because i still 2 shot them usualy, BUT if you go garment and have a good sheild you should do about 1000 to 2000 more dmg on a nuke (reinforcement of garment i realy high in magic) meaning if u block one time the first nuke drops them below half by the time they get to u and u block even just one of the souls spear soul hits then take a ghost spear u should be able to get off your second nuke killing them.
(dont start an argument over the reinforcements, i have been hit by 63 nukers in armor for 4k and a 61 nuker for 6k, just my observations.)
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:46 am
by Devotia
ShizKnight wrote:OR, the Pure Str will step out of your range and wait for you to lower ur Crystal Wall.
If the person fighting you runs away, and refuses to fight you, I count that as a win.
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:00 am
by RaiKiRii
i call that a stalemate.
you could easily turn it around and call the nuker a pansy for hiding behind ice.
Monition wrote:blue ur such a hater

im going firewall whether u like it or not! muahaha
lol testing it out was fun.
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:09 am
by Apache
This is great information people. So it sounds like i am better going pure int and using nukes to finish players off. I have not seen many group pvp other than some korean videos. The highest level i have reached is 25. Are there alot more pvp at higher levels? For example guild wars? Also i was wondering, if the heusukal tree giving you the hp passive and if i used the cold imbue and frost nova wind. Would this slow the enemy down enough for me to get all of my nukes and lion shouts to kill a pure str or a heavy str build. What i am trying to do here is find a NEW build that can beat a pure str.
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:30 am
by Apache
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2966812927208668521&q=silkroad+online
Ice/Light nukers
Str blader vs Lightning nuke and Lion shout
Complete stalemate until the nuker gets gangbanged
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:04 am
by RaiKiRii
Apache wrote:video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2966812927208668521&q=silkroad+online
Ice/Light nukers
Str blader vs Lightning nuke and Lion shout
Complete stalemate until the nuker gets gangbanged
yea if i was attacked by chains it'd be the same way
thats a str blader that doesn't know how to pvp though. if he used knockdown successfully, it would be over.
in order for the nuker to win, the shield has to miss block 2x in a roll.
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:50 pm
by FireStorm
Nukers lvl faster. Have more money and stuff like that.
Lets see a str blader 5 lvls below me with crappy weapon kill my Nuker with SOS Spear
Nuker int spear - constant dmg - constant defense
Nuker int sword + shield - constant dmg - lucky def (block)
Str glaive - lucky dmg (crit) - constant defense
Str blader - lucky dmg (crit) - lucky def (block)
so the blader is a matter of luck - you have to block and make a crit to kill effectively

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:06 pm
by Apache
I agree, i dont have anythng against pure str, but i dont like following what most people do, i like to have my own original build. A nuker is a common build but im making it a pvp nuker. ANOTHER really important thing is, after clicking alchemy, along the top of the box there is 4 options to choose from. I was wondering if there was a more efficient way to upgrade a weapon. I have also seen a screenshot of a player with elixers and money on the floor, with a red box around it. i wonder if this is a special way to plus a weapon by sacrificing some gold and other items. Plz keep writing.

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:14 pm
by FireStorm
Apache don't go off topic.
The only 2 ways to enhance alchemy are:
Lucky powder.
Lucky items.
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:30 pm
by Apache
Ok well i wasnt sure. So as the majority of the vote tells me that Nukers get owned on 1vs1 pvp. Then there is no point trying to make the nuker in any way defensive as it will be best used in group pvp. Fire nuke will make it powerful against mobs without getting all of them after me. And lightning will give me the lion shouts and teleport to move away from the front lines of combat fast. Using a spear will make the nukes hit harder and the hp passive is a must. Maybe using the force skill could make my nukes do even more damage as it has the mp passive and could the force heal be used in combat? I would still like to know if there is many group pvp on our servers or is this a korean thing?
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:36 pm
by FireStorm
You should have lightning and fire at max. Maybe some force. This is the best option for Nuker.
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:48 pm
by woutR
Devotia wrote:XMoshe wrote:Brutish1 wrote:Or go light/ice and nuke from inside the christal wall.

sorry but that is just stupid
how so? It gives you a HUGE chunk of HP, and completely negates the first hit against you. All your attacks are ranged, so the only thing that will give you trouble is a bower. And even with all of this you can tele away if your shield goes down, and recast. Not to mention it'll save a LOT of trouble PvE.
It might not be as damaging as a light/fire, but it's quite a bit more resilient. Just because it's different doesn't mean its stupid.
this so called huge chunk of hp doesn't have any defense and therefor will go down in 1-2 hits , useless
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:22 pm
by ShizKnight
I can hit 6k on your 'crystal wall' without zerk or crit.
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:04 am
by Enjoi
If you wish to be a nuke, Dont go str!
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:12 am
by microcosm
Enjoi wrote:If you wish to be a nuke, Dont go str!
LOL that was random..
anyway yea nukers are for group pvp,
do: light nuke, shout, spear throw, soul spear and if you're not dead then you might actually win..or not..lol
a sorta off topic question: are ice light nukers better than fire light nukers?
in terms of damage, pvp, sp needed, etc.
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:47 am
by Ice771x
im a 16 and i would like to know if that whole 2:1 int hybrid thing is too late for me to do.
and im also interested in the ice light vs fire light nukers