Bow build 70:70 GUIDE Updated 3.0!

judaiskariot · Post by **judaiskariot** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:08 pm

@judaiskariot ..hmm im sry if you missunderstand this thread !
but i said this is right now for me the best BOW build... not the best build but for bow the best one...(on my opinion)

No man I didnt but the thing is that people were insulting you and your build so you started to return by insults so it degrades you i ment on that. You sounded 2 much pompouse..

But i want you to know that i am backing you up 100% in this and that i was making something similar to my bowman char even before you posted here..

So +1 on post and idea
- 1 for answering on fire with fire

FuryAngle · Post by **FuryAngle** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:37 pm

Judaiskariot-First off, your build is far from even being close to 70:70, And you do claim its 70:70 on the babel forum under "jason2985 sux" You are an int hybrid, you have twice the int as you do str, and thus it is not even possible for you to be even close to 70:70 or even remotely similar to his build, but ohh well. I do have to say this, if you want to be like jadekiss, then make a new character and waste another "6months" to grind to 60 and enjoy getting owned over and over and over.
BTW my pure str 65 unfarmed can handle most builds level 60-64
except farmed glaviers

Zing · Post by **Zing** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:58 pm

Dempster wrote:Glaives suck in pvp now?, so arrogant.

Dempster, from all the posts I've read which you have wrote, I really think it's you who is arrogant.

I would like to say, again, I've been using this bow build and I continually am still liking it at level 45. I haven't been playing Silkroad lately, though; as another game has caught my attention.

theCoder · Post by **theCoder** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:02 pm

Dempster wrote:Glaives suck in pvp now?, so arrogant.

I know jadekiss' english is not the best, but if you reread carefully, I think you'll see he was commenting on pure str bow in pvp, not glaive. No one here faults me for going pure str glaive, do they? LOL

Jadekiss wrote:Oh i didnt know that because i know only Wind he is the unqiue hunter nr1 but samara... dont know her but well they hit the 80:80 balance bow build and do a great job !?

Yes, and they hold their own better than I do against the ccf'ers on the server

Jadekiss wrote:well why didnt you answer/post here earlier theCoder ?

Actually I had, back on Jan 10, but my post didn't contribute much to the discussion, and at that point, I had not really talked to Wind nor Samara about their bow builds. These guys are like in their late twenties early thirties, so they are by no means dueling like crazy to fulfill a testosterone rush. I have jobbed with them frequently though (and had accidently killed Samara a couple times with mercs =P) Never really paid attention to their damage in a fight. After posting in this thread, Wind had struck up a conversation with another who thought pure str archer was the best archer build (even though he never played one in 8th degree -- the difference is huge compared to other degrees in PvP). From there, I just mainly observed the conversation. Six months ago, I would have been the pure str zealot arguing for its merit as archer. But now, beaten and disgruntled with the bow build, I was paying attention. My current archer is going to be pure str glaiver, now, but I may go ahead and keep pacheon til lvl 80, just to compare with Wind's build, and maybe finally get something on fraps to support this argument.

Jadekiss wrote:@judaiskariot ..hmm im sry if you missunderstand this thread !
but i said this is right now for me the best BOW build... not the best build but for bow the best one...(on my opinion)

Yes, the bow is certainly one of the worse weapons in PvP in this game, glaivers and bladers can both give status effect, and have buffs for increased protection against physical and magical attacks, bow is at a severe disadvantage in this game

Jadekiss · Post by **Jadekiss** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:06 pm

No man I didnt but the thing is that people were insulting you and your build so you started to return by insults so it degrades you i ment on that. You sounded 2 much pompouse..

But i want you to know that i am backing you up 100% in this and that i was making something similar to my bowman char even before you posted here..

oh ok i see than i missunderstood you sry =)

Judaiskariot-First off, your build is far from even being close to 70:70, And you do claim its 70:70 on the babel forum under "jason2985 sux" You are an int hybrid, you have twice the int as you do str, and thus it is not even possible for you to be even close to 70:70 or even remotely similar to his build, but ohh well. I do have to say this, if you want to be like jadekiss, then make a new character and waste another "6months" to grind to 60 and enjoy getting owned over and over and over.
BTW my pure str 65 unfarmed can handle most builds level 60-64
except farmed glaviers

cant you show a bit respect and fairness ? btw if you read theCoder's post you would see what he wrote about the cap:

My glory days for my archer were in the 6th degree and 7th degree gear. I could kill someone 2-3 levels higher than me in 1 or 2 hits. The pure str archer seemed to be a very strong build against other builds (pure and hybrid). That ended for me after getting to the 8th degree. But not just me, but countless others at my level, migrated to other str weapons.

you might own on the 6-7 degree but on higher lvl ? never ! why do a lot of str archers change to glavie ? because they get owned in pvp... you cant jump over this fact, dont believe me ? ask in your server act like a noob and ask them what bow build you should go they will tell you full str... but after you ask them i need a bow build for pvp they will tell you dont USE bow if you want to pvp go glavie or blade... that is a fact
ok full str archers arent that crappy i never said that but its not a pvp char against other full str build... only if you got a high crit ratio...but that based on luck again to crit every second shot.... BUT i
need to say i saw also some full str archers who did a great job...
so be fair and dont blame this build if you never tried it out to lvl 70+
you can argue but dont give statements which offens ppl

Da_Realest · Post by **Da_Realest** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:07 pm

Jadekiss wrote:Finally someone here post the thruth about full str bow chars

There is no truth. Thats just your opinion.

Jadekiss wrote:Thats true a lot of high lvl str archer warned me to make a full str because they are going to switch to glavie...what was the reason ? they sux in pvp (1on1 we dont talk about multi-massive pvp)

Bow is not made for 1v1. Trying to make it so it can 1v1 is futile at this moment.

Jadekiss wrote: not trying to make you feel bad here (to the full str archers)
but that is the fact... str archer arent made for pvp... (we are talking against the full str chars not int) the most aim of someone is to have a good pvp char also which can stand against a full str glavie

You are trying to make str archers feel bad. Above you just agreed with thecoder saying they "suck."

Jadekiss wrote:but i said this is right now for me the best BOW build... not the best build but for bow the best one...(on my opinion)

You never said it like that before. You even had it in the title saying its the best bowbuild. Saying pure str is not better.

We're still waiting on evidence. And again you can't say the build is good just because 1 or 2 people do well with it.

Joymax is already making skills for bow so it would be a good str character to balance out with the other str builds.

Next time try and act more mature Jadekiss. The way you started post and what you did here shows your level of maturity and makes wonder I should even consider anything you say to be credible.
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theCoder wrote:The 'not enough hp' argument against this build was the most humorous. I mean come on! 18k is not enough hp, because a double-crit will kill you! Do you hear anyone argue that the spear hybrid is a weak build because you do not have enough hp? Wind/Samara's bow build will not have the hp of a tanker, granted, but that is the sacrifice you make for greater over-all damage. The difference being that you will have more hp than an hybrib spear, and more overall damage than a pure str archer, and being able to hold your own in PvP better than a pure str archer. What more could an archer want?

Your ideas to counter the not enough hp argument is also humorous. 18k is not enough HP. Is that the only evidence you and Jadekiss will attempt to use? Wind/Samara? Again, a few people does not make a build good and we still have no video evidence or anything.

If you would have read my previous post then you would know why no one argues about a spear hybrid.
1. HP passive. Don't say you can get that too because if you're going to farm enough sp to get heuskal to 60 just for the HP passive then you might as well be using a glaive.
2. No stun. You have nothing to by you time.
3. No knockback. Again, you have nothing to by you time. You going to ghost walk away? They can ghost walk also.
4. Damage is lower than a spear hybrid. Even it was the same, I doubt you would live long enough to do the damage without anything to buy you time.

Do you even understand why people go spear hybrid? People go int hybrids because a pure int's damage is overkill. They do much more damage than necessary to kill the target. Since you have unnecessary stat points in int going to waste, why not put them in str instead. You can tank much better and still do enough damage to kill. This concept does not work for bow. The spear hybrids I've seen ranging from lvl 56-90, when they are faced against a near equal opponent, 85% of the time they lose if they don't get stun or knockback in. They win about 70% of the time if they do manage to get one.

By sacrificing HP for more damage you still gain nothing in return. Ultimately, you will meet the same fate as a pure str bow accept you will meet it much faster.

Jadekiss · Post by **Jadekiss** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:21 pm

The way you started post and what you did here shows your level of maturity and makes wonder I should even consider anything you say to be credible.

you know me right ? you know my hole life and character right ?
you were never pissed off right ? ok dude your arguements here are right but dont try to judge me... i just post this guide and wasted a lot of time and what did you ppl do ? coming along and blaming my build ! some ppl supported me and gave this build a chance and rightn ow they still do a great job... but ppl like you and DEMPSTER are bullying me here for my guide ? now i can also say that shows your lvl of maturity
dont play this game with me

Glaives suck in pvp now?, so arrogant.

i never said glavie sux... i said everyone wants to make a char which can pvp with a full str char and which can also kill them... because full str glaviers are known for their high hp and painfull skills like stun etc.

Joymax is already making skills for bow so it would be a good str character to balance out with the other str builds.

how do you know that those skill will support full str archers ? they would also fit for the 80:80 build

Actually I had, back on Jan 10, but my post didn't contribute much to the discussion, and at that point, I had not really talked to Wind nor Samara about their bow builds. These guys are like in their late twenties early thirties, so they are by no means dueling like crazy to fulfill a testosterone rush. I have jobbed with them frequently though (and had accidently killed Samara a couple times with mercs =P) Never really paid attention to their damage in a fight. After posting in this thread, Wind had struck up a conversation with another who thought pure str archer was the best archer build (even though he never played one in 8th degree -- the difference is huge compared to other degrees in PvP). From there, I just mainly observed the conversation. Six months ago, I would have been the pure str zealot arguing for its merit as archer. But now, beaten and disgruntled with the bow build, I was paying attention. My current archer is going to be pure str glaiver, now, but I may go ahead and keep pacheon til lvl 80, just to compare with Wind's build, and maybe finally get something on fraps to support this argument.

do that... it will be very helpful because i tried a lot of time to talk with Wind but he is always afk if i logged on

Da_Realest · Post by **Da_Realest** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:33 pm

Jadekiss wrote:you know me right ? you know my hole life and character right ?
you were never pissed off right ? ok dude your arguements here are right but dont try to judge me... i just post this guide and wasted a lot of time and what did you ppl do ? coming along and blaming my build ! some ppl supported me and gave this build a chance and rightn ow they still do a great job... but ppl like you and DEMPSTER are bullying me here for my guide ? now i can also say that shows your lvl of maturity
dont play this game with me

Trying to prove a point like this is only you making a fool of yourself. I don't need to know you in real life. Real life doesn't matter on the internet. What matters is how you act on the internet. You acted like a child and moaned and groaned because we didn't agree with you and even had a little temper tantrum. Its not wrong of me to think you are kid for doing that. People waste much time on many things. That doesn't make your problems greater than anyone else's problems. Its irrelevant how you view my maturity when you can't even see your own maturity level. I'm sorry that you feel Dempster, a couple of others, and I should go to jail just because we don't agree with you.

Jadekiss wrote:how do you know that those skill will support full str archers ? they would also fit for the 80:80 build

Maybe because all skills under Pacheon, Heuskal, and Bicheon attack skills are ALL str skill? Maybe because I read the translation? Maybe because its logical for Joymax to continue to having all attack skills follow the usual format? I know a reason thats even better. Heuskal, Bicheon, and Pacheon are weapons. You don't need a weapon to use nukes which is why they are under the force class. It makes no sense why they would change that now.

Jadekiss wrote:do that... it will be very helpful because i tried a lot of time to talk with Wind but he is always afk if i logged on

You ever thought that he may be ignoring you?

Jadekiss · Post by **Jadekiss** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:46 pm

You ever thought that he may be ignoring you?

lol ? dont act like a fool *mirror* i think wind wont ignore ppl if they just want to ask him something... if someone begs him i would understand that.
ialso talked with him a few times already but at that moment i never thought of making a vid of him

Trying to prove a point like this is only you making a fool of yourself. I don't need to know you in real life. Real life doesn't matter on the internet. What matters is how you act on the internet. You acted like a child and moaned and groaned because we didn't agree with you and even had a little temper tantrum. Its not wrong of me to think you are kid for doing that. People waste much time on many things. That doesn't make your problems greater than anyone else's problems. Its irrelevant how you view my maturity when you can't even see your own maturity level. I'm sorry that you feel Dempster, a couple of others, and I should go to jail just because we don't agree with you.

yes im a teen got a problem with it ? i dont care if you agree with me or not you can also argue here and i wont care about that but the fact is... calling a build/guide is shit will make you to an adult ? you didnt even try this build out so you dont know anything about it.. you can say hmm i think this build wouldnt fit or something like that... but THIS BUILD IS SHIT = acting like an adult ? yeah thats true i give you right... sacarstic
i dont care anything about you it seems like you can only judge ppl through the inet your view of life is based on the inet... i cant see my own maturity ? i dont think so dude

Maybe because all skills under Pacheon, Heuskal, and Bicheon attack skills are ALL str skill? Maybe because I read the translation? Maybe because its logical for Joymax to continue to having all attack skills follow the usual format? I know a reason thats even better. Heuskal, Bicheon, and Pacheon are weapons. You don't need a weapon to use nukes which is why they are under the force class. It makes no sense why they would change that now.

you need for the fire shield a shield dude.... full int S/S nukers also use the weapon skills like KD...
so should they go full str then ? alright
no weapon for nukes ? hmm i will see if you can make a great damage with a nukes without weapon dude !

FuryAngle · Post by **FuryAngle** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:55 pm

Actualy Jadekiss, Nukes might not require a wepon, but the damage dealt is minimal, Thats why spear/sword have a magival rating higher than that of the glavie or blade, the bow is a wepon which has near equal ag/phy attack, But Bow is not recomended to be INT or hybrid, because like you said, Blade has KD, Glavie has Stun, and the bower needs all the STR he can get, so that he can survive longenough to deal critical damage to the oponent. A 70:70 build as you call it would not make much sense. And since you speak so much with this ohh might "wind" tell him to send you his character screen shot with the status window open. Thanks ahead of time.
One more thing, I dont think he said this build is sh8t, but i do belive I have, because it just is. Not enough STR to survive and not enough physical balance. And I have seen nukers with better balance.

70:70= dumb:dumber

judaiskariot · Post by **judaiskariot** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:57 pm

Judaiskariot-First off, your build is far from even being close to 70:70,

Are you FuryAngle ..... idiot?? i am lvl 60 and still farming and still experimenting so i said my aim (in the future - get it) is to be hybrid 80:80 or so but i am still experimenting and i have 20 lvls to put on str still and make lots of str bonuses.

Look man just STFU cause you dont read the posts, and dont know anything about anything so please like i said before if you have urge to post something do a favour to us all and dont.

Disappear from this forum as silently and quickly as you appeared..

judaiskariot · Post by **judaiskariot** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:59 pm

OMFG FuryAngle you are an idiot bow has equal ph and mg attack (allmost) so it is perfect for hybrids..

Da_Realest · Post by **Da_Realest** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:59 pm

Jadekiss wrote:lol ? dont act like a fool *mirror* i think wind wont ignore ppl if they just want to ask him something... if someone begs him i would understand that.
ialso talked with him a few times already but at that moment i never thought of making a vid of him

You clearly are acting like one. It was only a simple question.

Jadekiss wrote:yes im a teen got a problem with it ? i dont care if you agree with me or not you can also argue here and i wont care about that but the fact is... calling a build/guide is shit will make you to an adult ? you didnt even try this build out so you dont know anything about it.. you can say hmm i think this build wouldnt fit or something like that... but THIS BUILD IS SHIT = acting like an adult ? yeah thats true i give you right... sacarstic
i dont care anything about you it seems like you can only judge ppl through the inet your view of life is based on the inet... i cant see my own maturity ? i dont think so dude

Its obvious you have some insecurities. I never asked you how old you were. By replying to me you're proving that you do care. Good job contradicting yourself.

Please tell me where I called your build "shit." Please do.

How else could I judge you. Psychologist can only judge based on what they know and how the person acts right then. Not what they are hiding or faking their altitude or personality. Do I know you in real life? No. Knowing how you're acting here is good enough because I will probably never meet you in real life.

Jadekiss wrote:you need for the fire shield a shield dude.... full int S/S nukers also use the weapon skills like KD...
so should they go full str then ? alright
no weapon for nukes ? hmm i will see if you can make a great damage with a nukes without weapon dude !

Again, please read with comprehension. I said ATTACk skills. Stating fire shield is irrelevant. If their using Bicheon attack skills then they are a hybrid.

You don't understand do you? You can't use weapon skills without the proper weapon. You can use nukes without a weapon because they don't require a weapon to in order to initiate the skill. The point was the fact that weapon masteries are for weapons which attack skills are str. Not to see how much more damage you would do.

Keep up the good work.

judaiskariot wrote:OMFG FuryAngle you are an idiot bow has equal ph and mg attack (allmost) so it is perfect for hybrids..

Don't be simple minded. There are more reasons to go hybrid than just higher damage.

The reason for a bit lower phy attack and a bit lower mag attack than a glaive is that you have a higher attack rating. This means you could do more damage than a glaive if you have a high attack rating, something they cannot obtain without going into the pacheon tree. It makes perfect sense.

Alfred · Post by **Alfred** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:14 pm

could you all please stay off the personal attacks

swallow your pride for once and bring something usefull to this thread instead of all your never ending personal disputes'

Jadekiss · Post by **Jadekiss** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:18 pm

Psychologist can only judge based on what they know and how the person acts right then.

you acting like one dude coming here along and told me that im acting like a fool and i must be a kid ....
dont play those games here you arent the number 1
i think that you think that im thinking that you think that you are an adult with lots of experience right ? u know everything better alright... i was so fair to say that full str archer also do a great job
but you cant be fair right ? came into this thread and starting with some argue against the build ... ok i can understand that if you only play silkroad which chars who are based on pure... what a nice game only 2 types of build, great !
my simple question to you is: are you gay ? do you have a RL ? or are you only sitting infront of your comp and acting like an adult ?

lets stop this discussion it will never end i think we are old enough... i hope so that your are... to respect other ppl here... i respect you for your argues but if you keep on blaming me that im a kid or something like that than you must be....
so lets stop it
every build has their good and bad aspects but if you never tried it out dont judge about it
if someone would post here a guide about blade which is fully new ... i would say: alright... try it out and show us the result
dont judge about me think about yourself and think about what you posted

One more thing, I dont think he said this build is sh8t, but i do belive I have, because it just is. Not enough STR to survive and not enough physical balance. And I have seen nukers with better balance.

alright its your onpinion... but i said also already that you can have a higher balance than 80:80 that was only the standart aim...

But Bow is not recomended to be INT or hybrid

im still thinking bow is a hybrid weapon ... what weapon else should be a habrid weapon ? spear ? it will do a great job to but spear has a high mag dmg= nuker ? you cant make a char and only looks for the skills like anti devil etc.

Da_Realest · Post by **Da_Realest** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:19 pm

Alfred wrote:could you all please stay off the personal attacks

swallow your pride for once and bring something usefull to this thread instead of all your never ending personal disputes'

I think I have brought something useful into this debate every post that I've made, sometimes repeating what I have stated already. I try to avoid starting personal attacks and do my best to defend myself without offending the other person.

Jadekiss · Post by **Jadekiss** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:23 pm

I think I have brought something useful into this debate every post that I've made, sometimes repeating what I have stated already. I try to avoid starting personal attacks and do my best to defend myself without offending the other person.

not right ! you attacked my directly you know that... but nvm
lets stop it and talk normaly... no insults etc.
dont judge something if you dont know anything about it i wont do it either... so lets keep on a nice communication

judaiskariot · Post by **judaiskariot** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:14 pm

yeah man +1

(hope you can listen to your advice as well as the others should - but exept that little kiddie FuryAngle he is beyond repair)..

FuryAngle · Post by **FuryAngle** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:26 am

judaiskariot wrote:
Judaiskariot-First off, your build is far from even being close to 70:70,

Are you FuryAngle ..... idiot?? i am lvl 60 and still farming and still experimenting so i said my aim (in the future - get it) is to be hybrid 80:80 or so but i am still experimenting and i have 20 lvls to put on str still and make lots of str bonuses.

Look man just STFU cause you dont read the posts, and dont know anything about anything so please like i said before if you have urge to post something do a favour to us all and dont.

Disappear from this forum as silently and quickly as you appeared..

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This is your character now, look at HP and thenlook at the INT, there is NO possible way for you to be 80:80 at any point in time, maybe once cap is 90 there might be some, slim hope for you. And I know more than you do, I know not to build an INT hybrid Bower.

Im sure even Jdekis would agree your character is cr*p

judaiskariot · Post by **judaiskariot** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:31 am

Lol and why not?? what will I loose if I put full in bowman?? what will I loose?? i dont get it man? THIS IS JUST A GAME for ..... sake..

You have to take a brake from game man, you sound so addicted to it. I am telling this as a friend. You have many chars on many servers, and you brag how you experimented and have knowlage of the game so it means you play very very much (or you hacked or bought accs - you say you didnt i dont know) - so take a break. It will do you good.

And i dont mean this in offensive way, i am honest now..

FuryAngle · Post by **FuryAngle** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:37 am

You turn all nice now that everyone can see your build. From what I remeber the game Is about being the strongest/trading/pvp and so forth, If it wasnt about being strong then whats the point of PvP, just to get killed over and over again? And you ask what do you have to lose? You have to lose HP pots a lot of them, from constant deaths, I recomend to you to go into a spear/s&s nuker, which ever you preffer. I do belive that you cant even come close to 80:80 at any point, So go pure int from here and into a nuker or stay as a int bower, w/e its your accounts, and dont try to tell me I dont have knowledge, or even not understand 70:70 build guide, since I do understand it, I have tried it once before, my first character was a fluke, and ended up as 43 70:70, and It constantly died even with good gear and +7 bow. Either way,
Have fun building your account and dont cry once you reach 80 and die to 6x.

Eukanuba · Post by **Eukanuba** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:41 am

-1 for Da_Realist for posting that massive screen shot and forcing me to use the horizontal scroll bar.

FuryAngle wrote:Judaiskariot-First off, your build is far from even being close to 70:70, And you do claim its 70:70 on the babel forum under "jason2985 sux" You are an int hybrid, you have twice the int as you do str, and thus it is not even possible for you to be even close to 70:70 or even remotely similar to his build, but ohh well.

Fury, Stop trying to sound authoritative when you are clearly the opposite. At level cap, a 1:2 hybrid will have naked balances of 67:73. You were either ignorant of this fact, or you have poor perception when dealing with math.

Coder's information has been very insightful. Although it is still only anecdotal, he has made the offer to get some videos of the str vs hybrid archers.

However, Coder, you made mention that Wind and Samara are playing 80:80 builds "without much help from alchemy." If they are playing 80:80 builds, then they are using significant amounts of alchemy. If you can find out just how much exactly, that'd be great.

judaiskariot · Post by **judaiskariot** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:45 am

1. Look man i am not trying to be nice I am a nice guy.
2. This game is about meeting new people over the net, making friends and having loads of fun (not being strongest or richest - it is abstract concept your ingame gold and strenght)
3. In korean ver cap si lvl 100 or maybe more so i have plenty of time to be what i want.
4. I am not planing to finish this game anytime soon, or reach my cap lvl 2 fast and then enjoy making people feel bad just because i dont have anything to do then just PVP or walking like a peacock showing my shiny and preaty feathers..

As I said I can do whatever I want and I dont care what you or anyone else thinks about that..
So think again about my advice.. Just stop for a minute and think man

Da_Realest · Post by **Da_Realest** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:16 am

Jadekiss wrote:you acting like one dude coming here along and told me that im acting like a fool and i must be a kid ....

I never said you were a kid. You don't have to be a kid to act like one.

Jadekiss wrote:dont play those games here you arent the number 1

I never said I was. But you're the one trying to make the "best bow build" so you're trying to be #1.

Jadekiss wrote:i think that you think that im thinking that you think that you are an adult with lots of experience right ? u know everything better alright... i was so fair to say that full str archer also do a great job

I don't care about what you think of me. Age is only a number and knowledge and experience can be gained at any age.

No one said you had to agree that full str is better. Just provide evidence why you believe 70:70 is better besides naming 1 or 2 people who are good.

Jadekiss wrote:but you cant be fair right ? came into this thread and starting with some argue against the build ... ok i can understand that if you only play silkroad which chars who are based on pure... what a nice game only 2 types of build, great !

No. You obviously no there are more than 2 types of builds. Some builds are better to just be pure.

Jadekiss wrote:my simple question to you is: are you gay ? do you have a RL ? or are you only sitting infront of your comp and acting like an adult ?

My questions for you. If you are so mature why do you keep insulting me? Why ask if I'm gay? Are you homophobic?

There is no such thing as "acting like a adult." Its called being mature. You can be mature at any age. There are adults that don't act mature so are they adults? What defines being an adult?

There is no such thing as having a real life. I am here typing, therefore I exist. The internet is a only part of my life. Please use correct english. Its incorrect to ask a question like that. Everything thing is real. This keyboard I am typing with is real, the monitor I am looking at is real and I'm assuming the people posting here are real. So you're saying none of these people are real just because they post on the internet?

Jadekiss wrote:lets stop this discussion it will never end i think we are old enough... i hope so that your are... to respect other ppl here... i respect you for your argues but if you keep on blaming me that im a kid or something like that than you must be....

You want to end the discussion after you finished insulting me? You are the one that should learn respect. I never insulted you beforehand. You started the insults because I didn't agree with this build. The only insult I made towards you was calling you a fool.

I never called you a kid. There is a difference between saying someone acts like a child and saying they are a child.

Jadekiss wrote:so lets stop it
every build has their good and bad aspects but if you never tried it out dont judge about it

Take your own advice. Just like you I can go by what other people have said and done as my evidence. And just for you know, these are all the builds that I have created...
Pure Str Blade
Pure Str Glaive
Pure Int Spear
Int Hybrid Spear
Pure Str Bow
90% Str Glaive
70:70 Glaive
90% Str Blade

I'm also trying a new bow build right now. I'm not going to reveal my %'s at the moment. So, don't try and talk like I don't know what I'm talking about and only like pure builds. People like pure builds of DIFFERENT weapons for a reason. They are the best proven build at the moment. Just because one build can be a good hybrid doesn't mean all other builds can be one too.

Jadekiss wrote:if someone would post here a guide about blade which is fully new ... i would say: alright... try it out and show us the result
dont judge about me think about yourself and think about what you posted

Again, take your own advice. If this build is so much better than pure str show us the result. Don't just say Wind/Samara are good. Post some videos. Just because something looks good on paper doesn't mean it work. On paper, pure int spear should be the best build. Obviously when you play with the build in game, it is not.

Jadekiss wrote:alright its your onpinion... but i said also already that you can have a higher balance than 80:80 that was only the standart aim...

Other builds can also add more alchemy to their build.

Jadekiss wrote:im still thinking bow is a hybrid weapon ... what weapon else should be a habrid weapon ? spear ? it will do a great job to but spear has a high mag dmg= nuker ? you cant make a char and only looks for the skills like anti devil etc.

You also can't make a build that depends on damage only.

Jadekiss wrote:not right ! you attacked my directly you know that... but nvm

EVERYONE can attest that you started the insults against people on page 15. I even have a screenshot of you insulting Dempster and myself. People insulted your build and gave reasons which they can do. However, you started making personal attacks against other people.

Jadekiss wrote:dont judge something if you dont know anything about it i wont do it either...

I know enough and have facts and videos as my evidence. Where is yours?(Once again, saying Wind/Samara is not enough.)

Eukanuba wrote:-1 for Da_Realist for posting that massive screen shot and forcing me to use the horizontal scroll bar.

Just bringing up proof of just one instance of him starting the personal attacks against me.

Eukanuba wrote: If they are playing 80:80 builds, then they are using significant amounts of alchemy. If you can find out just how much exactly, that'd be great.

I noticed that also. It would take significant amounts of alchemy to increase your balance that much at the lvl 80 cap. Obviously these 2 have more alchemy on there gear than many claim to believe. The average player probably will not be able to achieve a 80:80 build because of the amount of alchemy needed to achieve it. It only makes sense why they beat many players of other builds. They don't have enough alchemy on their gear to compete with them. I think the character builder applet could help us determine how much int and str they have on their gear.

Zing · Post by **Zing** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:22 am

FuryAngle wrote:And I know more than you do, I know not to build an INT hybrid Bower.

Don't you know that 70:70 and 80:80 are both INT hybrid builds?

Da_Realest · Post by **Da_Realest** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:51 am

If the character builder applet is correct then this Wind and Samara characters have great gear. The highest amount of str you can put on your gear is 55. At the minimum they have 52-53 int or str depending which side is 70%. Its even possible that they have max str alchemy on their builds. Depending on how they distributed the stat points they could have a 81% balance. They do not have max int on their gear though. Your int balance can be 84-86% maxed I think depending on how you distributed the stat points.

This certainly changes many things now. This is a big factor why Wind does well in PvP. Unless you have nearly equal gear, you're most likely not going to be able to kill him. The average player is not going to be able to get 5-4 str on all their gears or 5-4 int on all of them. Thats a big reason why he beats almost everyone he fights as Jadekiss claims he does.

With this much alchemy, any build can do quite well in PvP.

FuryAngle · Post by **FuryAngle** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:51 am

Well are any of my accounts 70:70? Except for that one hybrid str that comes a bit close.... and i never made an int bower.

Eukanuba · Post by **Eukanuba** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:06 am

FuryAngle wrote:Well are any of my accounts 70:70? Except for that one hybrid str that comes a bit close.... and i never made an int bower.

Then lesson to be learned is to stop talking out of your ass. Never having made a 70:70 build pardons the fact that you did not know. However, it does not excuse you from yelling at people who rightly disagree with your assumptions.

omgbbqhax · Post by **omgbbqhax** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:44 am

jadakiss ur so stupid this guide is a total waste of time go play barbie bitch

FuryAngle · Post by **FuryAngle** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:00 am

Eukanuba wrote:
FuryAngle wrote:Well are any of my accounts 70:70? Except for that one hybrid str that comes a bit close.... and i never made an int bower.

Then lesson to be learned is to stop talking out of your ass. Never having made a 70:70 build pardons the fact that you did not know. However, it does not excuse you from yelling at people who rightly disagree with your assumptions.

I did at one time make a 43 Archer Hybrid, it was near 70:70, My worst build ever, faired very badly in PVP even though i had very good gear and wepons. And its nice to see somebody so "educated" speak in their true colours.

And why are you even on this topic? You dont claim to have a decent character, for all we know, you could be a low level noob that reads to many guides.