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[Discuss] Rogue secondary class - Bard or Cleric? for Pros
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:32 am
by juntakashi
so i m a rogue crossbow and i m lvl-ing up wif a single class(crossbow) and lvl 20 bard....i decided bard as my secondary class previously but i m unsure now aft analysing the cleric skills...should i go for bard or cleric?
Bard:
R1C3: Music Life
Skill form : Passive
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : All weapon or empty hand
Effect:
L1-MP consumption 10% decrease
L5-MP consumption 22% decrease
R3C1
Skill form : Active
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : Harp
Effect:
Increase the movement speed of party members.
L1- Continuous hour 600 second, circumference scope radius 30.0m (target 8 ), movement speed 20% increase
L6- Continuous hour 600 second, circumference scope radius 30.0m (target 8 ), movement speed 55% increase
crossbowman requires to maintain their advantage (furthest range in game) so i think speed is important
If i gonna take bard secondary class, i will level up tis two skills only
but i realise that cleric skills are gd for crossbow too
R5C4: Cross Bow Extreme
Skill form : Active
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : Cross Bow
Effect:
L1-Continous time 900 second, Damage 75% increase, physical attack power 18 increase, maximum HP 50% decrease, and maximum physical defence strength 40% decrease.
L7- time 900 second, Damge 75% increase, physical attack power 88 increase, maximum HP 50% decrease, and maximum physical defence strength 40% decrease.
as a crossbow u hv to turn tis skill on if u really wanna 1 hit pure int of ur level...but it will reduce ur phy def by 40% and 50% hp...and i find that 40% reduction in phy def will really make u as vulnerable as a int (i can be 1 hit by a giant 3 lvl above me after turning tis skill on and i m pure str !)
now Cleric:
R11C3
Skill form : Active
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : Cleric rod
Effect:
L1- Continuous hour 1800 second, physical defensive strength 23 increase, (currently 100% of the maximum objective ability it peels but application)
L6- Continuous hour 1800 second, physical defensive strength 76 increase, (currently 100% of the maximum objective ability it peels but application)
R11C4
Skill form : Active
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : Cleric rod
Effect:
L1- Continuous hour 1800 second, magical defensive strength 57 increase, (currently 100% of the maximum objective ability it peels but application)
L4- Continuous hour 1800 second, magical defensive strength 113 increase, (currently 100% of the maximum objective ability it peels but application)
the 2 above skills requires
R8C2
Skill form : Passive
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : All weapon or empty hand
Effect:
This effect will only apply when wearing light armor.
L1- Physical defensive strength 9 increase
L7- Physical defensive strength 44 increase
R8C3
Skill form : Passive
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : All weapon or empty hand
Effect:
This effect will only apply when wearing light armor.
L1- Magical defensive strength 25 increase
L6- Magical defensive strength 81 increase
so since the extreme crossbow skill is so deadly but makes me vulnerable, i can use cleric as 2nd class and + my phy and mag def(passive requires protector which is wat rogue wears) to compensate for the 40% reduce phy def
(Requires justification here:
i heard from cleric that u only can cast the + phy/mag def skill on urself.....the + int/+str skill can only be cast on other people, but not on urself....is that true? )
sry its abit long, any kSRO wif Euro char experts can give ur opinions? any of u played cleric, rogue before feel free to correct me and give ur opinions as well, thx
Re: [Discuss] Rogue secondary class - Bard or Cleric? for Pr
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:51 am
by Lana
juntakashi wrote:(Requires justification here:
i heard from cleric that u only can cast the + phy/mag def skill on urself.....the + int/+str skill can only be cast on other people, but not on urself....is that true? )
true...
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:54 am
by juntakashi
okie...that clears my doubt...thx
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:04 pm
by cin
also, but you prolly knew that already..
if my cleric buffs people and i swap to warlock rod to cast some DoT skills,
the buffs are gone.
im not sure how that is with skills to cast on yourself.
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:57 pm
by klemmyez
Well with bard got only 2 buff u can use, and when change weapon buff still here : the speed buff and the personal harmony.
and ->R1C3: Music Life
Skill form : Passive
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : All weapon or empty hand
Effect:
L1-MP consumption 10% decrease
L5-MP consumption 22% decrease
ya it s passif, but u need wear bard for the pasif launch, when u use cross bow or dag, the passif dont launch.
On the cleric u can find some too : the regen (give xx hp during xx min), and 2 buff defense.
The best one for rogue, it s cleric buff.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:25 am
by juntakashi
ya it s passif, but u need wear bard for the pasif launch, when u use cross bow or dag, the passif dont launch.
hmm...wat u mean by "wearing bard" ? i saw the description of the skill in Chinese and it juz says u only need bard lvl 10...didnt specify require holding harp or wearing garment....
On the cleric u can find some too : the regen (give xx hp during xx min), and 2 buff defense.
2 defense buff u mentioned is it the "continuous 1800 seconds, +phy/mag def"?
so u mean that when u use a cleric rod and cast it on urself...and then u change weapon to crossbow, the +phy/mag def buff remains there?
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:28 am
by cin
as i said.
for cleric skills you need cleric rod
for warlock skills you need warlock rod
if you buff with cleric or bard, you need to hold the cleric or bard weapon
if you then swap to your warlock rod to cast DoT attacks, the buffs casted
with the cleric rod will dissapear.
i also believe that what he is saying that you need to wear cleric rod to get
the cleric passives.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:37 am
by juntakashi
if you buff with cleric or bard, you need to hold the cleric or bard weapon
if you then swap to your warlock rod to cast DoT attacks, the buffs casted
with the cleric rod will dissapear.
i m a rogue and bard, i buff wif harp for speed buff, then change to crossbow, the speed buff remains...
so i juz wanna know that if i were to lvl up my cleric class lvl, can i buff wif cleric rod for the +phy/mag def buff, then change weapon to crossbow, will the buff remain?
as for the bard/cleric passive i can test it out to see if it requires holding harp/cleric rod or not....
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:41 am
by cin
juntakashi wrote:if you buff with cleric or bard, you need to hold the cleric or bard weapon
if you then swap to your warlock rod to cast DoT attacks, the buffs casted
with the cleric rod will dissapear.
i m a rogue and bard, i buff wif harp for speed buff, then change to crossbow, the speed buff remains...
so i juz wanna know that if i were to lvl up my cleric class lvl, can i buff wif cleric rod for the +phy/mag def buff, then change weapon to crossbow, will the buff remain?
as for the bard/cleric passive i can test it out to see if it requires holding harp/cleric rod or not....
huh weird.. if i cast the +7str buff on my party members and swap to
warlock rod to cast spells, the buffs go away.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:22 am
by juntakashi
the +str/+int skill can only be cast on other ppl , not on urself...
thats y i wanna know if the +phy/mag def buff of cleric will remain if i cast it using cleric rod and then switch to another weapon
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:59 am
by klemmyez
Cin have answer for me
, sorry my english is bad T.T. But all he says it s like my answer
.
+phys/mag, and status skill still using if u switch on other weapon.
ps: i m a girl, no he grrrrrrrrrrr ^^.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:09 am
by juntakashi
okie...thx...i think only those +phy/mag def buff will remain aft u buff and then change weapon...
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:18 am
by juntakashi
regarding the cleric buff qn, i tested them last night wif a cleric in my party and prove that :
1. +str/int buff cannot be cast on cleric himself
2. +phy/mag def buff can be cast on cleric himself
3. after cleric buff the +phy/mag def on himself and me, he changes weapon to axe, the def buff on him is GONE, but it remains on me...so that means that if i were to lvl up cleric class, its useless cuz buff up def --> change to crossbow --> buff gone
so cleric is not a good secondary class for a rogue IMO
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:30 am
by Vandall
juntakashi wrote:regarding the cleric buff qn, i tested them last night wif a cleric in my party and prove that :
1. +str/int buff cannot be cast on cleric himself
2. +phy/mag def buff can be cast on cleric himself
3. after cleric buff the +phy/mag def on himself and me, he changes weapon to axe, the def buff on him is GONE, but it remains on me...so that means that if i were to lvl up cleric class, its useless cuz buff up def --> change to crossbow --> buff gone
so cleric is not a good secondary class for a rogue IMO
good to know....
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:40 pm
by Cardinal
i doubt u can ... but can u use the bard and rouges speed increase ( the 20% one not the 15 secs one) at the same time ?
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:28 pm
by kvistgotte
you cant use bard speed increase skill at the same time as the rogue speed increase skill
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:30 pm
by Cardinal
kvistgotte wrote:you cant use bard speed increase skill at the same time as the rogue speed increase skill
ok thanks, i figured .... but had to make sure if u could stack buffs on each other
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:03 am
by Cardinal
SORRY FOR DOUBLE POST ..... but is any one able to use any of the other 3 buffs on the 3rd row ?
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:12 am
by klemmyez
Cardinal wrote:SORRY FOR DOUBLE POST ..... but is any one able to use any of the other 3 buffs on the 3rd row ?
in cleric, bard, rogue?
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:56 pm
by Cardinal
klemmyez wrote:Cardinal wrote:SORRY FOR DOUBLE POST ..... but is any one able to use any of the other 3 buffs on the 3rd row ?
in cleric, bard, rogue?
sorry that i did nto specify ... but 3rd row of bard ... other then the speed buff ... can another of the others on that row be used as well with a rouge ?