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Setup my own private server?
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:22 am
by Revi
.welcome
First off, I tried searching, not just this forum but the entire Internet, for an hour now and all I got was incomplete or outdated information and details.
So, if you could answer the questions we have, that would be great!
- What is needed to obtain in order to be able to run a server for this game[e.g.server files]?
- How much would it approximately cost?
- Is the original game maker eligible to sue us in court for such an act?
- What kind of internet and a computer station is able to run this thing?
Since my 'team' is consisted of people only with $$ skills, I suppose we would have to hire coders/developers to sort the files, keep them updated and setup in-game settings?
Any additional details will be helpful,
thanks.
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:13 pm
by sukcur1
Good luck with that...lulz
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:14 pm
by Markoes1990
just dont..and im not hating.. its an advice
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:28 pm
by magisuns
you lost me at private server and how much it would cost.
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:53 pm
by apan
I've been thinking of this aswell.
Basiclly you need to get your hands on the real server files, that's not gonna be easy. And then you need some software, a computer to run the server and a stable internet connection. The more people playing the better computer you need etc
(I think this is about it?)
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:11 pm
by Obsidian
Basically you need to have money coming out of your ass to get something like this started.
Keep on dreamin'!
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:33 am
by Revi
Okay I like these image posts xD they are funny but seriously now.
Where could I get the rest of the information? Obviously not here?
And the money problem well, I've got a small 'mmorpg community' in my town and there are 20 people willing to contribute.
So...the information on the server files,databases etc? Still didn't get the price range.
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:13 am
by magisuns
Revi wrote:Okay I like these image posts xD they are funny but seriously now.
Where could I get the rest of the information? Obviously not here?
And the money problem well, I've got a small 'mmorpg community' in my town and there are 20 people willing to contribute.
So...the information on the server files,databases etc? Still didn't get the price range.
how much would you sell a game's files for that makes you thousands of dollars daily?
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:20 am
by Revi
thousands of dollars daily? hmm I wouldn't sell those for sure., but If I were I'd probably go with a price of $50,000 or something similar,BUT since the files are stolen I doubt that would be even close to the price range.
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:01 pm
by NuclearSilo
ECSRO has been sued once. So don't bother. Unless you are able to fake your bank account info and hide your IP.
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:25 pm
by Atibu
if you think the correct word for a server is 'computer station', don't even bother trying.
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:26 pm
by Revi
Atibu wrote:if you think the correct word for a server is 'computer station', don't even bother trying.
I think the correct name for a server is what it is, a sever, Atibu.
Everyone please refrain from posting if you can't help me with this information.
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:17 pm
by ElZilcho
Just throwing some figures out there.
To support 2000 players u need to rent a server that would cost about 5k+ a month in order to have no lags. Also you would need to hire server and or network administraitors to configure and optimize the server for the files. People who do this professionally make 55k+ a year and u may need to contract them to get ur server up and running considering most hosts just lease the system and it is your job to set it up. Not to mention how much the owners of the leaked files will charge for the files. Also I am sure the owners would only lease and not sell u the files. My suggestion if you have this kind of money is to try and get in contact with the owners of the current private servers and talk with then or contact joymax about leasing options. But as you should know thus venture will not be easy or cheap.
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:25 pm
by Revi
ElZilcho wrote:Just throwing some figures out there.
To support 2000 players u need to rent a server that would cost about 5k+ a month in order to have no lags. Also you would need to hire server and or network administraitors to configure and optimize the server for the files. People who do this professionally make 55k+ a year and u may need to contract them to get ur server up and running considering most hosts just lease the system and it is your job to set it up. Not to mention how much the owners of the leaked files will charge for the files. Also I am sure the owners would only lease and not sell u the files. My suggestion if you have this kind of money is to try and get in contact with the owners of the current private servers and talk with then or contact joymax about leasing options. But as you should know thus venture will not be easy or cheap.
Finally, an worthy answer, thanks ElZilcho for you time. Well I'd have guessed this kind of a deal is in the order of business. About the private server owners, I already contacted them and I'm waiting for the reply. Contacted Joymax some time ago and tried to get an answer via phone call but.., lets just say I didn't have any luck with that.
My (our) main goal is to get all the information needed, so we know whats to expect, before we get in this kind of arrangements.
Again, thanks
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:29 pm
by Revi
NuclearSilo wrote:ECSRO has been sued once. So don't bother. Unless you are able to fake your bank account info and hide your IP.
Sued once?
What are you saying, are they still running or?
Do you have any information about the case, how much were they charged with?
Any links?
Thanks!
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:39 pm
by Lempi
Revi wrote:NuclearSilo wrote:ECSRO has been sued once. So don't bother. Unless you are able to fake your bank account info and hide your IP.
Sued once?
What are you saying, are they still running or?
Do you have any information about the case, how much were they charged with?
Any links?
Thanks!
http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/copy ... k/summary/
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:50 pm
by Revi
Thanks Lempi!
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:09 pm
by Atibu
]To support 2000 players u need to rent a server that would cost about 5k+ a month in order to have no lags.
Not really, a 50€ a month server would suffice.
Also you would need to hire server and or network administraitors to configure and optimize the server for the files. People who do this professionally make 55k+ a year and u may need to contract them to get ur server up and running considering most hosts just lease the system and it is your job to set it up.
I do this professionaly and I don't earn 55k+ a year ;D
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Not to mention how much the owners of the leaked files will charge for the files.
Hence you code your own emulator, stolen files have no future, except if you can get your hands on the source.
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:07 pm
by ElZilcho
Point me to this server that costs 50 euros a month that u believe would support 2000 people. Also the server files are designed to run on windows server I believe. If he coded his own emulator I say it is possible on a Linux box but if he knew how to code I doubt he would be making this post. Linux? Also what is the bandwidth? Any DDos support? I say 5k a month if he wants to open servers comparable to joymax's.
Btw is esro emulator still being developed?
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:52 pm
by Atibu
ElZilcho wrote:Point me to this server that costs 50 euros a month that u believe would support 2000 people. Also the server files are designed to run on windows server I believe. If he coded his own emulator I say it is possible on a Linux box but if he knew how to code I doubt he would be making this post. Linux? Also what is the bandwidth? Any DDos support? I say 5k a month if he wants to open servers comparable to joymax's.
Btw is esro emulator still being developed?
Yes, servers comparable to joymax will cost you around 5k a month. But that's not the point, an optimized emulator can run fine on a cheap x3440 which will cost you around 50-100€ a month. Bandwith is not really an issue and I didn't take DDoS mitigation in account. However I would strongly advise against even
trying to run your own private server if you don't know how to code, nor how to manage a server nor have experience in private servers or community management.
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:23 pm
by Revi
Thanks, to both of you, trough your discussion I've learned. Its true, I can't code. I said I've got ... well colleges with $$ skills. Some of them know some things about coding but certainly they do not have enough knowledge to maintain this kind of a thing.
Meaning I am now aware that the maintenance will cost monthly, not just the server but the staff. And that's ok, we are prepared for this.
Still wondering about the price range tho. ElZilcho - you said the range is about 50k and Atibu - you said it can be handled with 50-100€, I mean, the range is pretty large.
We are not trying to be able to compare the servers with Joymax's.Maybe we will if we manage to get to the source of the files, as you say.
And no, we won't run the server on stolen files. I've done some research on the people who did this and well, we don't want to end like them.
Again I thank to everyone who posted!
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:00 pm
by ltsune
Revi wrote:Thanks, to both of you, trough your discussion I've learned. Its true, I can't code. I said I've got ... well colleges with $$ skills. Some of them know some things about coding but certainly they do not have enough knowledge to maintain this kind of a thing.
Meaning I am now aware that the maintenance will cost monthly, not just the server but the staff. And that's ok, we are prepared for this.
Still wondering about the price range tho. ElZilcho - you said the range is about 50k and Atibu - you said it can be handled with 50-100€, I mean, the range is pretty large.
We are not trying to be able to compare the servers with Joymax's.Maybe we will if we manage to get to the source of the files, as you say.
And no, we won't run the server on stolen files. I've done some research on the people who did this and well, we don't want to end like them.
Again I thank to everyone who posted!
The main reason for the price difference of ElZ and Atibu is that ElZ were talking about a DDOS protection as well. That can cost a lot! Really, a lot! And it's most likely going to be a set amount of money every single month.
First of all, you're not going to get the files from Joymax. Not unless you're a company at least. They're not just going to hand over the files to some random person (you are random to them).
So yeah, you said you've contacted one of the already existing private server owners. You know what, I think I'm just gonna send you a pm instead.
Check your in-box!
Re: Setup my own private server?
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:27 pm
by Revi
Thanks for your post ltsune, I was on a vacation, a little break from the internet and all
. I 'll check my inbox now.