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90heuk/90fire/60ice/60 light. What are your thoughts?

No I was talking to someone about this the other day. Your physical balance will be far too high to do any serious magical damage. I say aim for 4:1 at the least best 5:1. Try to keep that naked mag balance around 90%

i myself would go pure int, cuz of that ice skill that takes damage from ur mp instead.. so i actually would go 90 90 90 hek light ice full int

JuelzSantana wrote:i myself would go pure int, cuz of that ice skill that takes damage from ur mp instead.. so i actually would go 90 90 90 hek light ice full int

Thats not in ecsro

Xyzzzy wrote:No I was talking to someone about this the other day. Your physical balance will be far too high to do any serious magical damage. I say aim for 4:1 at the least best 5:1. Try to keep that naked mag balance around 90%

1:5 is my current build. 85% naked mag balance.

I'm just thinking of adding some str too improve my pvping ability. Although I'm begging to think it has more to do with my sucky gear then any thing

Current skills atm are, 70heuk/70fire/70light/70ice. I need to figure out what I want to do so I can delvl what's not needed. Defiantly going 90 heuk and fire. Not sure about the ice/light ratio tho.

this build is not ment for acting like an int char purly its nukes still do more damage then normal skills but not by much. reason why i like this build is because you do more damage then a glavier but you can do so much with it. nuke tank (to a point) kill so on and so on.

Lady_Shadows wrote:this build is not ment for acting like an int char purly its nukes still do more damage then normal skills but not by much. reason why i like this build is because you do more damage then a glavier but you can do so much with it. nuke tank (to a point) kill so on and so on.

I feel like it'd pwn in PvE. Use a light nuke to lure and then own all of the mobs. Plus Galvies wouldn't pwn me so much

ya my old 1:2 hybrid on ecsro pub pawned like a mofo in pve and pvp

anyone who wants to see the stats id is backup1 pass is backup1 dont worry its already been hacked and shit due to a friend making multi accounts and such so ya only npc nubby stuff and pots not really anything of importance. just a few messed up skills and stats but its still mostly 1:2 and lvl 60 so ya mainly for stats and stuff.

2:1 is good but only if you take sword and shield

Dancin wrote:2:1 is good but only if you take sword and shield

no thats wrong

Xyzzzy wrote:No I was talking to someone about this the other day. Your physical balance will be far too high to do any serious magical damage. I say aim for 4:1 at the least best 5:1. Try to keep that naked mag balance around 90%

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Dont do an 1:2 Hybrid, im pretty sure ull regret it. 4:1 or 5:1 is kinda the only thing u should do if u want to be a serious hybrid (any 8:1 aint a serious hybrid to me, since most ppl only do this cuz they wanna have some extra hp, not for the hybrid dmg).
The question about 4:1 and 5:1 is something to decide on ur own, 4:1 survives longer, 5:1 deals more dmg (at least from my experience), do what u like best.

Ur 90 Heuk/Fire choice is the best u can do, Light and Cold is variable. Possible options are (L/C) 50/70, 60/60, 70/50. All of them have pros and cons, its up to u what u wanna take, also its possible to go for 90 Cold to gain a very huge bunch of phys def, but it means a loss of speed and no phantom. But dont go above Light 70, anything above is a waste.

Tasdik wrote:90heuk/90fire/60ice/60 light. What are your thoughts?

imo, 1:2 is too str heavy for a nuker build, i find a 1:7 build to be just fine as a spear nuker. with the heuk passive and decent gear you have enough hp to allow you to tank giants of your own level. just my thoughts

If I went 1:2 it wouldn't be a nuker build necessarily. Lady summed it up pretty well,

Lady_Shadows wrote:this build is not meant for acting like an int char purly its nukes still do more damage then normal skills but not by much. reason why i like this build is because you do more damage then a glavier but you can do so much with it. nuke tank (to a point) kill so on and so on.

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Tasdik wrote:90heuk/90fire/60ice/60 light. What are your thoughts?

imo, 1:2 is too str heavy for a nuker build, i find a 1:7 build to be just fine as a spear nuker. with the heuk passive and decent gear you have enough hp to allow you to tank giants of your own level. just my thoughts

no u can.. there is some 2:1 spear videos. .. the build is great .. the nukes are not high dmg but still good

Tasdik wrote:If I went 1:2 it wouldn't be a nuker build necessarily. Lady summed it up pretty well,

Lady_Shadows wrote:this build is not meant for acting like an int char purly its nukes still do more damage then normal skills but not by much. reason why i like this build is because you do more damage then a glavier but you can do so much with it. nuke tank (to a point) kill so on and so on.

5:1 has more nuking power than 2:1, why should 2:1 be a nuker build necessrily? o.o

especially 2:1 should concentrate on Heuksal skills as a priority and use nukes for some far ranged dmg and aoe if ghost still has cooldown.

Even if you go 1:5 you won't see a difference between pure int you will be a normal int with a bit more defense and ab it less attack power

If you want to see a difference you need to go at least 1:4 or 1:3.
You will have lower damage but a bit more hp

SilentShade wrote:

Tasdik wrote:If I went 1:2 it wouldn't be a nuker build necessarily. Lady summed it up pretty well,

Lady_Shadows wrote:this build is not meant for acting like an int char purly its nukes still do more damage then normal skills but not by much. reason why i like this build is because you do more damage then a glavier but you can do so much with it. nuke tank (to a point) kill so on and so on.

5:1 has more nuking power than 2:1, why should 2:1 be a nuker build necessrily? o.o

especially 2:1 should concentrate on Heuksal skills as a priority and use nukes for some far ranged dmg and aoe if ghost still has cooldown.

reason why 1:2 is still a nuker build because nukes STILL does more damage then spear skills adding in more verity. 1:2 does NOT rely on nukes they use them to there advantage. 1:5+ rely on nukes because its there hardest hitting attack. this build is not meant to purely nuke its meant to deal damage in more ways then a normal nuker.

Lady_Shadows wrote:

SilentShade wrote:

Lady_Shadows wrote:this build is not meant for acting like an int char purly its nukes still do more damage then normal skills but not by much. reason why i like this build is because you do more damage then a glavier but you can do so much with it. nuke tank (to a point) kill so on and so on.

5:1 has more nuking power than 2:1, why should 2:1 be a nuker build necessrily? o.o

especially 2:1 should concentrate on Heuksal skills as a priority and use nukes for some far ranged dmg and aoe if ghost still has cooldown.

reason why 1:2 is still a nuker build because nukes STILL does more damage then spear skills adding in more verity.

I doubt that, its too much str to deal higher dmg with nukes than with spear skills.

1:5+ rely on nukes because its there hardest hitting attack.

false, 5:1 nuking dmg is kinda equal to Heuksal skills, only slightly harder.

Lady_Shadows wrote:1:5+ rely on nukes because its there hardest hitting attack.

1:5 does not rely on nukes. It has enough hp and attack power to kill most players around its lvl w/ sss + gsm. or sss + sst + gsm.

IMO 1:2 hyb spear would be nice, but its just like a glaiver with less phy attack power, less hp and less defense. Your nukes would do pretty sad damage (for their long casting time), so there is no point in using them in pvp.

thing is have you guys ACTUALLY tried a 1:2? i know i have and in pve killed up to 5 lvls above me no problem and in pvp could kill ints in a few hits and tank glaviers long enough to kill them.

im going to make one after im back from the break.. any ways.. 2:1 DO a good nuke dmg.. its not high but its good..
i always liked this video :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-fucXi68Cw
i know its isro.. but its still good

Lady_Shadows wrote:thing is have you guys ACTUALLY tried a 1:2? i know i have and in pve killed up to 5 lvls above me no problem and in pvp could kill ints in a few hits and tank glaviers long enough to kill them.

Yeh i have tried 1:2 many times, though it wasn't very high so pvp kinda sucked. And lady any build can kill mobs 5 lvls higher if you play em right. Pvp depends more on gear.

@Strwarrior; i meant using nukes in pvp as a 1:2 won't be much help because the damage isn't very good for the long amount of time it takes to cast your nuke; phy skills would do the job better.

i tried 1:2 spear up to lvl 67, even with full sos+4 gear and a 64 sos+5 spear all full blues it had such a hard time killing bladers/glaivers. ints and high int hybrids are easy since their nukes won't hit you for shit, bladers are your worst enemy (isro has debuffs), glaivers are so-so. this is all back from isro 80 cap.. i'm guessing glaivers will be your worst enemy in ecsro. which is fair to assume, since str glaive is hands down the best build in ecsro atm.

i used nukes very rarely, mostly it was phantom + wall + nuke for starters, then heuksal skills until i ran low on hp. the nuke dmg is gay and you will be using mainly spear skills.
it is NOT a SHIT build, it's just kinda sucky, but i'm a nuker lover, so i made myself a pure int not long after and gave my char away

also, without snow shield i don't see how this build is any better than a glaive str build, really.. str glaive kills int / int hybrids easy and has more chance to kill a blader than 1:2, this is from lvl 85 pure str glaiver ecsro

you all are talking about tanking, high hp, survavibility... pff, 1:2 hybrid without snow shield has no survavibility at all, and the HP is STILL LOW. it would be nice if ecsro had snow shield, then you should consider an int spear build.
if you don't have any suns or +7 gear when you're 90, you're bound to suck. at least with a glaiver, +5/+6 garms and a +7 glaive will do the trick most of the time.

build: 1:5 int hybrid, 90 heuk/90 bich/90 fire/30 light, prot set. this shoudl work, imo. with some skills in dual builds, you should pwn much

evilpeta wrote:i tried 1:2 spear up to lvl 67, even with full sos+4 gear and a 64 sos+5 spear all full blues it had such a hard time killing bladers/glaivers. ints and high int hybrids are easy since their nukes won't hit you for shit, bladers are your worst enemy (isro has debuffs), glaivers are so-so. this is all back from isro 80 cap.. i'm guessing glaivers will be your worst enemy in ecsro. which is fair to assume, since str glaive is hands down the best build in ecsro atm.

i used nukes very rarely, mostly it was phantom + wall + nuke for starters, then heuksal skills until i ran low on hp. the nuke dmg is gay and you will be using mainly spear skills.
it is NOT a SHIT build, it's just kinda sucky, but i'm a nuker lover, so i made myself a pure int not long after and gave my char away

also, without snow shield i don't see how this build is any better than a glaive str build, really.. str glaive kills int / int hybrids easy and has more chance to kill a blader than 1:2, this is from lvl 85 pure str glaiver ecsro

you all are talking about tanking, high hp, survavibility... pff, 1:2 hybrid without snow shield has no survavibility at all, and the HP is STILL LOW. it would be nice if ecsro had snow shield, then you should consider an int spear build.
if you don't have any suns or +7 gear when you're 90, you're bound to suck. at least with a glaiver, +5/+6 garms and a +7 glaive will do the trick most of the time.

build: 1:5 int hybrid, 90 heuk/90 bich/90 fire/30 light, prot set. this shoudl work, imo. with some skills in dual builds, you should pwn much

lolz i pawned a sos blader when i was "hacked" and got som spear +3 and sos (not full) +3 gear. he didnt even get close to killing me....

Lady_Shadows wrote:lolz i pawned a sos blader when i was "hacked" and got som spear +3 and sos (not full) +3 gear. he didnt even get close to killing me....

wait, so you killed a sos blader using a som spear and sos parts? whats so great about that..lmao

or maybe i read that wrong

its the face that the person i quoted said they had trouble with str builds yet i was able to beat a sos blader and not even get close to dying. that is what my point was

my set after i was hacked viewtopic.php?f=45&t=101101 its about in the middle of the page

you were able to beat A sos blader. wow, good for you. i was able to beat almost anyone my lvl, but i had TROUBLE doing so if they had really nice gear and a str build (SoX). that's why i switched to full int s/s not long after, being able to 1-2shot the same builds it took me 1-2 minutes to kill on my hybrid.
bladers with debuffs were specially the guys i feared the most, not because they killed me alot, but because they had a higher chance of doing it. i actually liked pvping glaivers since they don't have any nice debuffs, or at least didn't have them back in 80 cap. now that i think of it, i would've hated a blader/glaiver with a passion back then.. blade debuffs + glaive skills..
i'm sure a blader with half a brain of how to actually play a blader and using equivalent gear will pwn a 1:2 spear hybrid (on isro). on ecsro, any glaiver with equivalent gear is able to kill a 1:2 int.
sorry but 1:2 just isn't as good as some of you think it is. it is definetly nice if you have nice gear, but, isn't almost any build nice with good gear..? sro is all about the gear, and don't give me "what about 1:1 hybrid ice blader with no blade skills", i wouldn't even consider that a build.

evilpeta wrote:you were able to beat A sos blader. wow, good for you. i was able to beat almost anyone my lvl, but i had TROUBLE doing so if they had really nice gear and a str build (SoX). that's why i switched to full int s/s not long after, being able to 1-2shot the same builds it took me 1-2 minutes to kill on my hybrid.
bladers with debuffs were specially the guys i feared the most, not because they killed me alot, but because they had a higher chance of doing it. i actually liked pvping glaivers since they don't have any nice debuffs, or at least didn't have them back in 80 cap.
i'm sure a blader with half a brain of how to actually play a blader and using equivalent gear will pwn a 1:2 spear hybrid (on isro). on ecsro, any glaiver with equivalent gear is able to kill a 1:2 int.
sorry but 1:2 just isn't as good as some of you think it is. it is definetly nice if you have nice gear, but, isn't almost any build nice with good gear..? sro is all about the gear, and don't give me "what about 1:1 hybrid ice blader with no blade skills", i wouldn't even consider that a build.

i was merely proving you wrong about str builds. so what you can 1-2 shot the same builds as your hybrid you get get 1-2 shotted back. like i have been saying 1:2 is not about pure tanking or pure damage its about a mix of both. its not a pure nuker nor a pure tanker its both. it allows you to use nukes to an extent and use spear skills to an extent. reason why i like this build so much is because you get the feeling of both a str build and a int build. you are not confined to one or the other.....

i like builds that are strong, i don't like half strong builds. if str glaive is the best build in ecsro, i would go for that. i've seen so much pvp in ecsro, i've seen spear sunners die to +5 glaives, hybrids nuking for shit even with sun.
i've tried this build and i know what i'm saying, it hasn't delivered as much satisfaction as any other build i've played.
str bow (ecsro):
str bow (isro):
str glaive/bow dual (isro):
str glaive (ecsro):
int s/s (isro/ecsro):
int s/s hybrid (ecsro):
int s/s and spear hybrid (ecsro):
1:2 hybrid spear (isro):

( > > > )

1:2 -> can't hit as strong, can't tank as long.

if you like it, go for it. but i just hate it!

I'd say get more int than str but not that rate!