Bartic wrote:Atibu wrote:Bartic wrote:Venture will be and the Fly's server will be too.
I would like to add, we are actively
blocking bots, having a no-botting rule is quite pointless on its own, as it's
quite difficult to prove whether people are botting or not, and it will only result in unwanted drama (omg me bannýd, me leve srver). Also, there -will- be people who never will get caught botting, so in my opinion blocking it is way more effective than having a simple "botters will be banned" rule.
It worked like a charm on Salvation,
So much that fly had to close half of the game map off because of the low population.
We're just saying it's MORE effective to not even have bots be an issue, AND let more people play the game, remember, having our own little "elite" club (Salvation) isn't that great for a long term health of the server (something I've been saying for years, and was proven right with Salvation's demise) You've GOT to make bridges with the "other side" and you do this by not having bots be an issue, and REWARD those that play legitly instead of PUNISHING potential customers. As many people above said, the legit population is dwindling, and its mostly due to a)Joymax prioritizing virtual skinner boxes over gameplay(i.e. all of sro lmao) and b)constantly "fighting" against people who bot.
Why not just. . .lead by example, and INVITE them to join us, by showing them how fun a server can be
without the need for botting?Wouldn't that be a more useful approach? you know, instead of just instabanning a whole reigion of potential customers 9,000 miles away, then having to make silly changes because no one joins the server besides our "elite" club of people.
It's obvious what we've been doing isn't working (or else we'd be still on salvation and enjoy the WHOLE map of the game filled with people playing). and a different approach needs to be used.
I don't really know how you can argue that making the server not need bots is worse than, going all power trip mode and banning potential customers, especially seeing what we've seen. . .You're probably just stuck in that "all botters are evil and must be punished/can't join our elite club" mode which is fine. . .but I'm giving you some alternatives that are better than that. . .it's really up to you if you wanna just let all that other stuff go or not.
There's a quote I'm thinking of that had something to do with Honey and Vinegar that would be apropos here. . .I can't think of it though. . .can someone help me?
P.S. I brought about 20+ people to Salvation with me that I met on another server that actually did a lot better than any other server I had been to in regards to rewarding players who do not bot but play the game, and let the botters "think" they are getting the upper hand but aren't. . .(they gave REALLY good rewards for jobbing, and basically you were able to snowball that into more and more goodies. . .botters cant compete with that because jobbing takes organization that happens during the grinding phase of the game)that server died because of other reasons (GM's brother was jealous of all the money he was making and logged in the server and messed everything up beyond repair) so I brought them to salvation which started a bit after all that went down. . .they were legit, did not use bots, were not from srf/venus either, they just enjoyed playing the game.
THEY ALL LEFT once fly shortened the map, and screwed with the jobbing there. It just wasn't worth it to them (they couldn't organize huge trade runs from jg to const since half the map was gone) . . .some trader enjoy actually trading. .without getting caught by theives. THIS ONLY happens through TIGHT organization, just ask colossal and some of the SD guys when they did their first trading run on salvation. . .they failed miserably some of the guys I brought with me were there with them and were facepalming to me about how a lot of you guys really sucked at trading and didn't want anything to do with you guys lmao. When fly messed with that by closing the map because of the low population it was like a slap in the face for all the guys who actually kind of took it seriously. . .and they ALL LEFT.
This is something you don't want to happen, as you can learn from people like these. When you take a hard stance against stuff instead of trying to convert people to your side using positive methods, your server loses out on a LOT of a potentially awesome, growing, thriving community. Salvation had a chance and it blew it. . .they just took the wrong approach. Which is why I think Attibu has learned from that and is taking a different approach. . .finally.
