dual class in europe csro..,Worth?

DeepEvil · Post by **DeepEvil** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:41 am

as the title above says...

im going to use warlok class as it has great mag dmg and nice debuffs,,,

but also the bard comes in hand when its buffs are handful (as i thought)

so i made a new one and my char is pure int cuz both class are int-based...

well my char is still noob and i realized that u cant put both masteries in two gap...

so i got like this..

warlok lvl 5 maastery
bard lvl 4 mastery

how effective this build will be in my sp usage? and does i need to sp farm ethier?

GuruSikh · Post by **GuruSikh** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:34 am

I think its fine, but just make your main mastery lvl is the same as your lvl, but as sp farming goes, it just depends on you. Whether you want to keep a 2-3 gap all the way or sp farm then keep a 0 gap. Just check out the links below, and click on the skill and it will tell you how much sp is needed to raise that skill. You can calculate how much sp you need and make a decision based on your results.

Warlock: http://silk.mud4u.com/info/skill.php?na ... =2&cate2=2
Bard: http://silk.mud4u.com/info/skill.php?na ... =3&cate2=1

DeepEvil · Post by **DeepEvil** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:38 am

wonderful

verywell organized,,,

that means i will stick in a gap cuz im only using two masteries.. (unlike isro)

thx for that

juntakashi · Post by **juntakashi** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:52 am

or mayb u can 0 gap and lvl up 1st...thats wat i m doing, i m keeping my rogue mastery lvl same as char lvl (cross bow all skills and some dagger skills)...and watever sp left over aft adding all my rogue skills, i use them to add my bard mastery lvl and bard skills...
so juz keep ur warlock mastery 0 gap and let bard mastery lag behind abit (depending on how much sp u left aft adding all warlock skills)

build wise, warlock + bard is fine...warlock focus on DOT skills (damage over time lk burn/poison) and a 80% probability stun skill :shock:

so basically go pure int (warlock dmg is already less than wizard so u need the int for mag att)....
in PvP, ur aim will be doing dmg and keep a distance from ur enemy (pure int = little hp = fragile)
cast all ur DOT skills, and just run ard (the bard + movement speed skill comes in handy now) and let ur enemy tk the DOT dmg...if the enemy happens to come close enuff .. use ur warlock 80% stun OR the bard restrain 80% 10 sec skills and cast more DOT and run some more...

PS: there is so far no cap Euro players in cSRO yet so basically there is no proven theory on which build/dual class is the best...everything is based on trial and error now and still in experiment stage

juntakashi · Post by **juntakashi** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:00 am

and btw...i find rogue cross bow + dagger skills wif bard dual class = 15 sec running super fast

cuz rogue dagger there is a skill of increasing movement speed by 40% in 15 sec (and that is lvl 1 only)
bard + movement speed (30min) buff +20%/55%

u will be running super fast for that 15 sec for catching up and finishing off enemy ^^

DeepEvil · Post by **DeepEvil** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:10 am

supfast with 40# increase yea that so cool....

althrought i was dreaming...i need more time to study this dual builds..

i tried the two handed sword pure str and no doubts i get into lvl7 and added all the skills without knowing that two handed swrod got only two rows of skills

btw i will see the warlok and bard build...and later on i will try the cleric and wizard build too....

about the rouge builds i can keep it in mind but later...

juntakashi · Post by **juntakashi** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:59 am

actually at first i was deciding between rogue and 2 hand sword cuz 2 hand sword has KD + KB + Stun skills, and wif the warrior skill of increasing 50% of max hp (reduce phy att) + pure str...the hp is like a tank...but the attack speed of 2 hand sword is the slowest among all classes...but its realli gd i gotta say

DeepEvil · Post by **DeepEvil** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:08 am

regarding the build of wat its based...

being rouge as a str based and bard as int based...

are u ok with going on both?

juntakashi · Post by **juntakashi** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:04 am

warlock, wizard, bard, cleric are int based
rogue, warrior are str based
no doubt abt that...but u can always add str as a hybrid warlock, wizard, bard, cleric
but dun add int and become hybrid rogue, warrior...at least no 1 does that

Vandall · Post by **Vandall** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:35 pm

wat i want to do if i ever get csro is be a pure int wizard. BUT i would get a crappy lvl 1 dagger get some of the leet rouge skills (stealth, anti-stealth, the mask skill, the mob pet thing) i wouldnt use the dagger straight up, but i would go invisible in pvp switch to dagger quickly activate my rouge skills remain invisible while being able to cast wizard skills. and also maybe a few of the empty-hand buffs from bards so i can. wat do u guys think would this work? or would it be to much sp farm?

GuruSikh · Post by **GuruSikh** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:43 pm

Wizards also have a invisibility skill. It last for 60 secs. http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=21436 R4C4

Vandall · Post by **Vandall** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:26 pm

yea but they can't move, and if they use a skill they become visible. i would love to be invisible while casting those strong nukes.
EDIT: ok these r the skills that i would like to get in addition to all the wizard skills. my question is this possible can i have all the wizard skills as well as some rouge/bard/warlock skills.
ROGUE GENERAL MASTERY

R1C1: Stealth Extension
Skill form : Passive
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : All weapon or empty hand
Effect:
It increases Stealth continous time.
L1- Continuity hour 12 second continuity
L4- Continuity hour 48 second continuity

R2C2: Stealth
Skill form : Active
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : Dagger, Cross Bow
Effect:
Make you invisible, but speed of travel diminish.
L1- Continuous hour 60 second, stealth 3 grade
L4- Continuous hour 60 second, stealth 6 grade

R2C4: Tag Point
Skill form : Active e
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : Dagger, Cross Bow
Effect:
Mark and track an enemy. The location of a tracked enemy can be seen in the map within the specified time and distance.
L1- Continuous hour 900 second, connection distance 1000m, connection modification 1
L3-Continuous hour 900 second, connection distance 1600m, connection modification 1

R4C1
Skill form : Active
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : Dagger, Cross Bow
Effect:
L1- Essence production (it drove possibly, su to sprout, level 20) of the dead person
L5- Essence production (it drove possibly, su to sprout, level 60) of the dead person

Note: Make "mask" from monsters...If u killed monster fast press the this skill... at the Inventory u will get a "MASK" ... u can click it right mouse button then u will look the same like a monster (and fight like him) for 13 minutes (or maybe 14 minutes)

R4C2 : Duplicate
Skill form : Active
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : Dagger, Cross Bow
Effect:
Catch a monster and summon it as a pet. Can only catch a monster up to your own level.
L1- Continuous hour 900 second, maximum transformation possible level 60
L2- Continuous hour 900 second, maximum transformation possible level 80

R8C3: Scud
Skill form : Active
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : Dagger
Effect:
L1-Continous hour 15 second, speed of travel 40% increase
L6-Continous hour 15 second, speed of travel 90% increase

Note: Up to 90% speed increase! but for 15 seconds only..

R7C6: Quick Step
Skill form : Passive
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : All weapon or empty hand
Effect:
Only apply in stealth mode and with dagger equiped.
L1- Speed of travel 10% increase
L2- Speed of travel 20% increase

WARLOCK

R1C1
Skill form : Passive
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : All weapon or empty hand
Effect:
L1-Magical attack power 4% increase
L15-Magical attack power 60% increase

R4C1
Skill form : Passive
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : All weapon and empty hand
Effect:.
L1-Magical damage 4% increase
L15- Magical damage 60% increase

R4C2
Skill form : Passive
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : All weapon and empty hand
Effect:
L1- Trap damage 115 increases
L4- Trap damage 377 increases

BARD

R1C3: Music Life
Skill form : Passive
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : All weapon or empty hand
Effect:
L1-MP consumption 10% decrease
L5-MP consumption 22% decrease

CLERIC

R3C1
Skill form : Passive
Skill attribute : Buff
Use Weapon : All weapon or empty hand
Effect:
L1- HP recovery 2% increase and status ailment decrease (effect 20), status ailment probability 50% decrease (1 grade)
L9- HP recovery 18% increase and status ailment decrease (effect 68 ), status ailment probability 50% decrease (6 grade)

kvistgotte · Post by **kvistgotte** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:19 pm

juntakashi wrote:and btw...i find rogue cross bow + dagger skills wif bard dual class = 15 sec running super fast

cuz rogue dagger there is a skill of increasing movement speed by 40% in 15 sec (and that is lvl 1 only)
bard + movement speed (30min) buff +20%/55%

u will be running super fast for that 15 sec for catching up and finishing off enemy ^^

you can´t have rouge 15sec skill and bard skill on at the same time. i have a rouge have tried don´t work.. but it is fun to have zerk + 15 sec skill on

i only have 60%, but it is fast

:D

GuruSikh · Post by **GuruSikh** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:23 pm

You can but I wouldn't advise it. Besides you have only certain amount of mastery points you can use. In csro you have less than compared to ksro. In ksro if your lvl 40, you have 80 mastery points to use. I would just have a main mastery and sub skill tree if you really want. So lets your a lvl 40 rogue, your rogue tree would be 40 & rest in another tree like in cleric or bard or something like that.

InsertName · Post by **InsertName** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:51 pm

GuruSikh wrote:Wizards also have a invisibility skill. It last for 60 secs. http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=21436 R4C4

i got that skill before i left ksro

u can move around but 40 to 50% speed reduction and if u cast spells, it auto turns off but still nice since u can sneak up and nuke

Vandall · Post by **Vandall** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:13 pm

InsertName wrote:
GuruSikh wrote:Wizards also have a invisibility skill. It last for 60 secs. http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=21436 R4C4

i got that skill before i left ksro u can move around but 40 to 50% speed reduction and if u cast spells, it auto turns off but still nice since u can sneak up and nuke

hmmm.. it says the opposite thier im confused

but then again i have seen some euro pvp vids and it seems like the wizard can't move.
can anybody clear this up and/or anwer my question?

GuruSikh · Post by **GuruSikh** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:47 pm

Vandall wrote:
InsertName wrote:
GuruSikh wrote:Wizards also have a invisibility skill. It last for 60 secs. http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=21436 R4C4

i got that skill before i left ksro u can move around but 40 to 50% speed reduction and if u cast spells, it auto turns off but still nice since u can sneak up and nuke
hmmm.. it says the opposite thier im confused but then again i have seen some euro pvp vids and it seems like the wizard can't move.
can anybody clear this up and/or anwer my question?

Trust me you can move, I have been in ksro for quite awhile now & have seen it before, besides it be pointless if you could invisible, but couldn't move.

juntakashi · Post by **juntakashi** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:14 am

the wizard invisible skill is useless..cannot move/cast skill

You can but I wouldn't advise it. Besides you have only certain amount of mastery points you can use. In csro you have less than compared to ksro. In ksro if your lvl 40, you have 80 mastery points to use

if u are lvl 40, u hv less than 80 mastery , at least in cSRO, the total mastery is less than 2X ur char lvl
and yea i wouldnt advise getting the rogue dagger 15 sec +speed if u are bowman
reason : if u are bowman, u already hv a great range and bard's +movement speed (if ur 2nd class is bard)...that is gd enuff, the dagger 15 sec +40% speed requires u to learn a few lvl of the dagger skills 1st bk (passively increase dagger phy dmg) b4 u can learn tt 15 sec skill, so its not worth the sp cuz u use bow, not dagger
get it only if u are dagger rogue....u can chase down any 1 during that 15 sec

DeepEvil · Post by **DeepEvil** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:35 am

leaving the str ...

im concerned about the pure int based dual class..

i have now two chars

1-HellSing lvl12
wizard mastery 11
clerik 10

i choosed the clerik with the wizard cuz it has healing skills and good party buff support...

also its good when getting aggored while healing myself of my teamate the shield has a br...

and the wizard is low in hp..and the auto pot function cool down is 30sec..
would die in this 30 sec.when grinding...thats why clerik comes in hand

2-DeepEvil 8
warlok mastery 7
bard mastery 7

ok putting the bard away..i choosed this build also for its debuffs,,and with his cool skills which he got hp absorbtion that can be usefull when getting low in hp... ...

wat i didnt get it is why i choosed the bard? maybe its looking cool?
i dunno but i felt i need a speed buff or some other long ranged skills in hands...i dunno wat to say

so guys im looking for an advice of this kind of dual class...im talking about int based class...

P.S i got a sos harp lvl8 drop at div2 while killing a party mob last night

GuruSikh · Post by **GuruSikh** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:31 am

juntakashi wrote:the wizard invisible skill is useless..cannot move/cast skill

You can but I wouldn't advise it. Besides you have only certain amount of mastery points you can use. In csro you have less than compared to ksro. In ksro if your lvl 40, you have 80 mastery points to use

if u are lvl 40, u hv less than 80 mastery , at least in cSRO, the total mastery is less than 2X ur char lvl
and yea i wouldnt advise getting the rogue dagger 15 sec +speed if u are bowman
reason : if u are bowman, u already hv a great range and bard's +movement speed (if ur 2nd class is bard)...that is gd enuff, the dagger 15 sec +40% speed requires u to learn a few lvl of the dagger skills 1st bk (passively increase dagger phy dmg) b4 u can learn tt 15 sec skill, so its not worth the sp cuz u use bow, not dagger
get it only if u are dagger rogue....u can chase down any 1 during that 15 sec

It used to be like that in ksro, but they changed it a few weeks back. You guys will have 108 mastery points at lvl 60.

DeepEvil · Post by **DeepEvil** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:02 pm

i feel that i want to do that...being hybrid int..

since im pure int wizard i felt like getting low hp and low def sometimes when killing party mobs with party

cuz i deal high dmg the mobs come towards me and i switch to clerik to heal myself and have a space away from the mobs and nuke..

but will it be worth to switch to hybrid int from lvl14? or am i getting late for that?