(Ecsro) 70:70 Bow, Full Str Bow or Full Int Bow.. *Read*

[nate832]

Hey there, I'm currently playing on Ecsro (Public), I have a Lv.65 Full Str Bow that is planned out to be 90Pach/Fire/Light, With the 100 Cap coming it would be 100Pach/Fire/Light.

But I've been getting kind of bored of my character, And I've been watching way too many PvP videos on youtube, And reading too many guides on these Forums..

To get to the point I'm needing some help deciding on what Bow build to go with..

I'm just torn between the 3 Options.

I've been thinking 70:70 with 100Pach/Fire/Cold. Full Str 100Pach/Fire/Light. And now Full Int 100Pach/Light/Cold.

If any of you who have first hand experience with Any of these builds, Or your own unique build, I'd really appreciate it.

[Thomas42]

Just a little tip: people don't upload vids on youtube in which they get owned.

For pvp you would still want to have both fire and cold, for the extra defense; this applies to any and all builds. From there you can play around with hybrid ratios, like 8:1 for that little bit of extra damage, or 5:1 for a bigger boost. Int bowers are pve characters pretty much, since they don't have any serious defense.

[Dyegov]

I tried full int patch/light/cold, got killed so much that was ridiculous. Now I'm going Int Hybrid with 85% mag balance and it's great. A little bit less famage but better survability

[Squirt]

I"m returning to ECSRO but I am bored of my Nuker.

I want a bower, I'm stuck between pure STR or some type of INT based build..

[Swindler]

I"m returning to ECSRO but I am bored of my Nuker.

I want a bower, I'm stuck between pure STR or some type of INT based build..

Go full str or 70:70.

[Macsnow]

I dont understand why some go pure INT on bowers... extra damage, yes, but it makes your build 100% snow dependant wich sucks for a bower. I would go with pure STR or just a few levels on INT (no more then 15 levels of INT adding).

Pure STR... wont really need snow shield at all if you get some decent gear on him, since bowers now have KB & stun. Also, crits pwn

[Swindler]

I dont understand why some go pure INT on bowers... extra damage, yes, but it makes your build 100% snow dependant wich sucks for a bower. I would go with pure STR or just a few levels on INT (no more then 15 levels of INT adding).

Pure STR... wont really need snow shield at all if you get some decent gear on him, since bowers now have KB & stun. Also, crits pwn

THIS MEN THIS!!!!!!!!!!

[nate832]

Well the Full Int idea was just stupid I guess.. My friend still wants to try it, But I'm leaning more towards 70:70 or Full Str.

I have a Lv.65 Full Str Bow already, But I don't know.. Its cool and all, But 70:70 just looks interesting.

Do you guys think its worth trying?

I'm looking for something that Levels faster, But can still do good in PvP.

[Dyegov]

So you all say 70:70 is better. Is it then good at pvp? Because if it's not then there's no point on changing from my 85% mag balance build. And also, what would a 70:70 wear?

[nate832]

Well I was going to wear Prot if I went 100Pach/Fire 60Cold/Light.

But I don't know if I really want to play a 70:70 Bow, Can't find good enough sources to actually play it. So I've been thinking about a Full Int S/S with 100Bich/Fire 70Cold/30Light.

[Macsnow]

Well I was going to wear Prot if I went 100Pach/Fire 60Cold/Light.

But I don't know if I really want to play a 70:70 Bow, Can't find good enough sources to actually play it. So I've been thinking about a Full Int S/S with 100Bich/Fire 70Cold/30Light.

Cap is still 90 at the moment.
And why 30 light over 100 cold? lol... only good reason to do that would be saving SP's.

[nate832]

Hmm.. 7% Magic damage with Lvl 30, Some kind of speed skill for leveling, I can always go dlvl it when I get closer to max level.

And theres already been a post saying they announced 100 Cap is ready, They are just working on the new mobs.

So better to be prepared.

[Dyegov]

Nobody told me if 70:70 is good on pvp or not. Anyone Please?

[Macsnow]

Nobody told me if 70:70 is good on pvp or not. Anyone Please?

Never tried it, never PvPed one either... so I wouldn't know.

[Sav]

I dont understand why some go pure INT on bowers... extra damage, yes, but it makes your build 100% snow dependant wich sucks for a bower. I would go with pure STR or just a few levels on INT (no more then 15 levels of INT adding).

Pure STR... wont really need snow shield at all if you get some decent gear on him, since bowers now have KB & stun. Also, crits pwn

main problem with pure str chi builds is that they rely too much on crits to win a pvp, pure int's rely too much on snow to stay alive, somewhere in between would be the fine line, this line can differ depending on user play style

[Trace]

Anyone in this thread actually has played a bow char? Leveled them up to cap by hand and pvped with one? Doesn't matter if it's hybrid, int or str, they play the same. Sentences like "needs snow shield" or "good equips to tank" sounds funny, because you don't play a bow char like a glaive or blader. You're better off making a glaive or blader.

If you want to know how well it plays, go to a pvp area on that server, look at how many bowers there are, and just ask the bowers what they think about how well it performs. The skills don't accurately translate on private servers, and sometimes the skills are delayed (and that effects how well it can be played).

[nate832]

Well I've talked to a few Higher level Bows, They all have different opinions. So thats why I'm posting on here, Because I know there are going to be a few experienced Bowers on here.

I'm already leveling a 70:70 Bow on Ecsro, Just trying to get the Skills set. Its already been said the 100 Cap is ready, And they are fixing the new mobs. So that being said I need some suggestions on how I should put my Skills.. I'm a bit confused on what to do.. I was thinking 100Pach/Fire, 60Cold, 40Light. Just need to know what level Snow Shield will I be able to use without me being completely screwed with my MP.

[Sav]

Anyone in this thread actually has played a bow char? Leveled them up to cap by hand and pvped with one? Doesn't matter if it's hybrid, int or str, they play the same. Sentences like "needs snow shield" or "good equips to tank" sounds funny, because you don't play a bow char like a glaive or blader. You're better off making a glaive or blader.

If you want to know how well it plays, go to a pvp area on that server, look at how many bowers there are, and just ask the bowers what they think about how well it performs. The skills don't accurately translate on private servers, and sometimes the skills are delayed (and that effects how well it can be played).

you make it sound as if bow is superior the other weps from chi class which makes me lol

pure int bow/chi class=high dmg, low hp, heavily rely on snow

pure str bow/chi class=med dmg, high hp, heavily rely on crits

gear>build, but for the most part, build is an important factor for how well a char does in pvp

Well I've talked to a few Higher level Bows, They all have different opinions. So thats why I'm posting on here, Because I know there are going to be a few experienced Bowers on here.

I'm already leveling a 70:70 Bow on Ecsro, Just trying to get the Skills set. Its already been said the 100 Cap is ready, And they are fixing the new mobs. So that being said I need some suggestions on how I should put my Skills.. I'm a bit confused on what to do.. I was thinking 100Pach/Fire, 60Cold, 40Light. Just need to know what level Snow Shield will I be able to use without me being completely screwed with my MP.

if i had a 70:70 bow at 100 cap, i'd go 100 pacheon/100 fire/60 cold/40 light, or +8 cold/-8 light for 4th phy def buff, 42% snow in return for 10m phantom, ~40% speed, 7% mag increase, ~35 parry increase

[nate832]

if i had a 70:70 bow at 100 cap, i'd go 100 pacheon/100 fire/60 cold/40 light, or +8 cold/-8 light for 4th phy def buff, 42% snow in return for 10m phantom, ~40% speed, 7% mag increase, ~35 parry increase

Well with a 70:70 Bow will I have enough Mana to be using 42% Snow Shield? And is Lightning really important in general, Or can I do without it and just go 100Pach/Fire/Cold?

[Sav]

if i had a 70:70 bow at 100 cap, i'd go 100 pacheon/100 fire/60 cold/40 light, or +8 cold/-8 light for 4th phy def buff, 42% snow in return for 10m phantom, ~40% speed, 7% mag increase, ~35 parry increase

Well with a 70:70 Bow will I have enough Mana to be using 42% Snow Shield? And is Lightning really important in general, Or can I do without it and just go 100Pach/Fire/Cold?

at lvl 100 with 70:70 bow and even with 1/2 of the int on your gear, you will get ~350 int, ~80% mag bal, so i'm fairly certain that will be easy to pull off, and imo i'd keep the 40 light since you gain that mag dmg, parry and handy phantom since you'll add all that int, but 100 cold also has it's upsides, you can get upto 60% snow (which imo maybe tough to keep up with the build, but possible), and gain in phy def, that decision will come down to your style of gameplay and what you want out of your char

[nate832]

Well I guess I'll build it as 100Pach/Fire With 60Cold and 40Light.

If I end up deciding that I can do without the Speed boost, Magic Damage, And Parry ratio then I'll just dlvl Light and put Cold to 100.

I kind of think it would be pretty hard on my Mana consumption if I were to use the Lv.100 Snow Shield, But if I go High Cold then I'd be able to wear Garment to which would make it easier with 20% Movement speed and -20% Mana consumption.

Think I'd be okay wearing Garm with only 60Cold?

[Sav]

Well I guess I'll build it as 100Pach/Fire With 60Cold and 40Light.

If I end up deciding that I can do without the Speed boost, Magic Damage, And Parry ratio then I'll just dlvl Light and put Cold to 100.

I kind of think it would be pretty hard on my Mana consumption if I were to use the Lv.100 Snow Shield, But if I go High Cold then I'd be able to wear Garment to which would make it easier with 20% Movement speed and -20% Mana consumption.

Think I'd be okay wearing Garm with only 60Cold?

i'm sure you'll be fine with garms/prot with both cold60 or cold100, i'd try to avoid armor though

[Trace]

you make it sound as if bow is superior the other weps from chi class which makes me lol

They're not. They play differently. Your response makes me go ???

[Dyegov]

Nah I'll just stay with my 85% mag balance build with 100 patch/light/cold using prots

[Macsnow]

Anyone in this thread actually has played a bow char? Leveled them up to cap by hand and pvped with one? Doesn't matter if it's hybrid, int or str, they play the same. They play the same? lol, no. It's like saying a Blader and a S/S play the same; totally not true, different builds, different tactics... and I wouldn't classify a INT Bower & a STR Bower as the same build.
Sentences like "needs snow shield" or "good equips to tank" sounds funny, because you don't play a bow char like a glaive or blader.Obviously a Bower doesn't play like a Blader or a Glavier, they have the benefit of range. But INT Bower will still need Snow shield (fact) when PvPing, maybe even while grinding at times... while a STR Bower does not rely on Snow shield, though they can use the lower books of it to hold their own while PvPing. Unless you think that having the advantage of range means you will never get hit, lol. Also, every build will rely on good gear if they want to do good in PvP, don't expect to go /killall with a +3 set... no matter what build you are.
You're better off making a glaive or blader. lol, useless/out of place comment.

If you want to know how well it plays, go to a pvp area on that server, look at how many bowers there are, and just ask the bowers what they think about how well it performs. You'd just hear someone elses opinion, with no real facts as to why you should take the build, and since they have the Pacheon build 90% of the people you ask will just say it owns.
The skills don't accurately translate on private servers, and sometimes the skills are delayed (and that effects how well it can be played). Not much we can do about that, is there?...

So, you claim a Bower plays the same no matter if he is INT, STR, or any kind of Hybrid... to me, this is a load of bullshit, no offense meant btw
And aside from that claim, your post doesn't really give any advice/opinions what so ever on what build would suit him, or wich one is exponentially better at fighting other characters.

you make it sound as if bow is superior the other weps from chi class which makes me lol

pure int bow/chi class=high dmg, low hp, heavily rely on snow

pure str bow/chi class=med dmg, high hp, heavily rely on crits

gear>build, but for the most part, build is an important factor for how well a char does in pvp

I agree, build is an important factor when it comes to PvP, but the ultimate factor will be determined by the gear.

As you said:
INT Bow--> Highest damage, MUCH lower HP, HEAVILY reliant on Snow shield.
STR Bow--> Med damage, MORE HP then any other Bower type (granting better survivability), can use snow shield at times of need, does rely on crits but as a Bower they will come fast enough.
Hybrid Bow--> [Med~High]ish damage, med HP, still reliant on Snow shield.

I hear the crit dmg for a INT and a STR Bow doesn't really change that much, though the STR have an upper hand on crits (crit ratio if I'm not wrong).

I'd leave the INT one alone; it is (theoretically) the build with the least survival chances among all other Chinese toons. Snow runs out and your 90% dead, even if you spam KB and dash.

If it were my build, I'd just go Pure STR [or 10~15 levels of INT], 100Pacheon/100Fire/100cold (mainly cause I could live without the shitty 10m phantom dash, and because there's a HUGE jump in Phys defence from 68 to 100)... or could also try a 60Cold/40Light, 68Cold/32Light build and save some SP while getting small Light tree benefits.

Please do correct me if I'm wrong in any way...
Peace

[nate832]

Well I already have my 70:70 Bow to Level 32, Definitely feels easier to kill the Mobs, Compared to when I was the same level on my Full Str.

So I'll just continue leveling my 70:70 to the same level that my Full Str is, Which is 65. Compare the damage, Test it in PvP with equal gear, And then I'll decide which I want to get to cap.

I have a feeling I'll be going with the 70:70 Though, Higher normal damage, Doesn't rely on Crits to level, Yes I'll have to most likely always have Snow Shield on in PvP, But so would a Full Int Spear Nuker, And its not like a Full Str char would be able to run out and try and kill people with their most important buffs on either. =]

[Macsnow]

Well I already have my 70:70 Bow to Level 32, Definitely feels easier to kill the Mobs, Compared to when I was the same level on my Full Str.

So I'll just continue leveling my 70:70 to the same level that my Full Str is, Which is 65. Compare the damage, Test it in PvP with equal gear, And then I'll decide which I want to get to cap.

I have a feeling I'll be going with the 70:70 Though, Higher normal damage, Doesn't rely on Crits to level, Yes I'll have to most likely always have Snow Shield on in PvP, But so would a Full Int Spear Nuker, And its not like a Full Str char would be able to run out and try and kill people with(out? XD) their most important buffs on either. =]

STR char wont be able to run out and kill without their buffs, well, it'd be harder. The difference is those buffs last 7+ minutes... Snow shield lasts 2 XD
But still, go 70:70 it will still do good and be able to level faster, just get some good gear and you will be fine

[sibiumarius]

i want to make an 5:1 int/str build ( 70:70 its 5:1 right? ), so how much str i will add , 20-30 levels of str and rest int ? you guys know ? thx

[Macsnow]

i want to make an 5:1 int/str build ( 70:70 its 5:1 right? ), so how much str i will add , 20-30 levels of str and rest int ? you guys know ? thx

Just take your gear off every level you gain and make the balances 70:70