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warlock becomes useless once a chinese character throws up firewall or a euro character uses holy spell.. and these days there are soo many clerics around that can give that buff.

so besides stun.. what can warlocks really do?

do they have skills in the later levels that can surpass the holyspell and chinese wall?

or do you think joymax forgot about how effective this holyspell is against warlocks?

EDIT. im rogue/lock so i cant use a nuke on the wall ;l

warlock = uber sub?

Phix wrote:warlock = uber sub?

its not even a sub when an opponent has firewall or holyspell. lol

firewall -> go out of range,, impasse
holy word -> doesnt work agains all statusses,, and i think debuffs work to....

only build warlock should watch out for is dual axe,, it has something status immune thing at higher lvl,,

against all other builds, warlock uber )))))))

whiteraven wrote:firewall -> go out of range,, impasse
holy word -> doesnt work agains all statusses,, and i think debuffs work to....

only build warlock should watch out for is dual axe,, it has something status immune thing at higher lvl,,

against all other builds, warlock uber )))))))

Agreed..warlocks can kill "most" builds in pvp.
The dual axe passive at lvl 30 will render a lot of the lock skills useless but a well combined vampire touch/kiss should inflict disease, increasing the lvl of your curses and debuffs.

The build is definitely a hard 1 to master but is worth it in the end.

whiteraven wrote:firewall -> go out of range,, impasse
holy word -> doesnt work agains all statusses,, and i think debuffs work to....

only build warlock should watch out for is dual axe,, it has something status immune thing at higher lvl,,

against all other builds, warlock uber )))))))

debuffs dont work, only thing that works is stun.

appreciate the help, ty.

Good thing people havent got smart and started using D axes instead of 2h.

firewall is for mag attack so as warlock sub or main you can break it anyways, just keep a bit distance, only icewall you cant break without a main/sub that does phy attack, and NO you cant break a wall with your warlock's stun debuff.

wrong. you can still get trap through spell 2 (the skull), panic which fcks your pots and bleed which lowers defense and adds more DoT. the dots along with the blood flowers start to hurt when your pots heal for shit and you get hit for 8.5k absolute damage everytime the skull goes off.

and if you have spell 1 or lower, or nothing, GOOD F UCKING GAME

Warlocks can be amazing if in the right hands, unlike most of the other button spamming builds, warlock users have to be a few steps ahead of thier oppenant and be able to change paths should the enemy change tatics. Also the shear number of skills that warlocks use makes it kinda wack at times. I have to change out my grinding skill bar for FW since it uses differnt skills. Warlock isnt for everyone...

fire wall-destroy it
ice wall-make them get out of it
holy spell-err...put all the debuffs that work and hope you can kill them
but an axe/cleric will be REALLY annoying

WARLOCK IS FREAKING COOL~!~

IIRC, not 100% sure on this as my warlock isnt cap'd yet..
lvl90 holyspell protects against lvl9 status's, and warlock does lvl10 status, so holyspell would be pretty much usless against a warlock, not quite sure about this how ever so if a 90 ff warlock could confirm..

I am not farmed yet, but I will surely let everyone know when I get there and do some more pvp.

release wrote:warlock becomes useless once a chinese character throws up firewall or a euro character uses holy spell.. and these days there are soo many clerics around that can give that buff.

so besides stun.. what can warlocks really do?

do they have skills in the later levels that can surpass the holyspell and chinese wall?

or do you think joymax forgot about how effective this holyspell is against warlocks?

Overall the only builds that are are hard to kill with warlock are Euros with cleric sub and bowmen. Fire and Ice wall are very overrated skills, for a few reasons.

-The walls take a while to cast. You can do one of three things while they are casting: 1. Stun, 2. Sleep, 3. Shield trash. If you are good enough, the wall will never be cast at all.
-If it's fire wall you can simply nuke it once, stun right afterwards
-The wall makes you immobile. Once I fought someone who cast Ice Wall and wouldn't leave their little spot (a blader). He just sat there while I sat down, regained HP, rebuffed, and bless spelled. Ran up, DoT, nuked, and just generally annoyed him from a far range. Once he disabled it he was stunned back into oblivion.

Gotta hand it to warrior clerics, they have the accursed Sprint and Turn Rising that can win the pvp instantly. Holy spell in general is annoying, but if you have shield trash and 2 stuns it gives you a fighting chance. DoT and Nukes, wheel bind, still work perfectly. If you time it right you can pull off three stuns in a row plus shield trash while cooldowns, and hopefully the opponent is dead. Offering is a sure-fire way to kill after a few nukes and DoT.

So yeah, warlocks are the uber sux0rz. Believe what you want.

Glavie's Girl wrote:Warlock isnt for everyone...

well said, warlocks aren't for me. well i tried at lower levels lol, and just had to keep dying from a kokoru D:< evil turkies. Dots' do work through spell if i'm not mistaken, and if you use vampire touch it might go through :S. We'll have yet to see how far a warlock can inflict tremendous damage, imo i want to see warlocks go far in this game. They're a fun build and some people have yet to uncover their true potential, because they're just simply ignored atm T^T ( no i don't want to see Vortex's warlock/cleric sorry ).

agaisnt a chinese char ur ownage when u get him hidden+sleep... hes DEAD... other than that ur DEAD xD

With my L.A and the charity passive, also with cleric rod out, I can't get debuffed. However, once I switch I'm pretty much fcked lol. Sub-warlock is much easier to fight against. Holy Spell doesn't block everything though, stun, sleep, bleed, etc. will go through.

Against chinese builds that throw up Fire wall to "disrupt" your debuffing session, you can throw a nuke at it, if that doesn't take it down the first time, then run out of range and they HAVE to take it down to continue fighting, or they'll stop and call you a runner. Meh, a tactic's a tactic!!! lol

A warrior should only need 1H to kill warlocks, as they aren't strong defensively, or have high Hp, though bless can get bothersome. If they attempt to cast Vampire Touch first, then all you need to do is sprint assault then use shield knockback to prevent them from landing many debuffs, and when they do all you need to get rid of them is Integrity/innocent, which isn't hard to weapon switch to.

Not only that, but if the warrior managed to get off Bless, you'd probably have trouble killing him even if you somehow landed several stuns. When I PvP, I have healing orbit on all the time from weapon switch, unless I have used skins. I don't think a warlock can bring down a huge HP tank with tons of defense, and healing orbit to top it off.

From what I have seen, warlocks win in PvP vs chinese almost every time. The only time warlocks lose in PvP is either vs a warrior cleric, or a rouge cleric (without DD/CE on). Warriors will KB you, rouges will kill you in 1 combo. Wizard/clerics are a little different, they aren't nearly as hard to kill if you do manage to stun, just DoT and nukes should win it for you.

tl;dr: Warlocks are the best PvP build (imo), but fail vs cleric sub euros.

Shadowfox542 wrote:A warrior should only need 1H to kill warlocks, as they aren't strong defensively, or have high Hp, though bless can get bothersome. If they attempt to cast Vampire Touch first, then all you need to do is sprint assault then use shield knockback to prevent them from landing many debuffs, and when they do all you need to get rid of them is Integrity/innocent, which isn't hard to weapon switch to.

Not only that, but if the warrior managed to get off Bless, you'd probably have trouble killing him even if you somehow landed several stuns. When I PvP, I have healing orbit on all the time from weapon switch, unless I have used skins. I don't think a warlock can bring down a huge HP tank with tons of defense, and healing orbit to top it off.

From what I have seen, warlocks win in PvP vs chinese almost every time. The only time warlocks lose in PvP is either vs a warrior cleric, or a rouge cleric (without DD/CE on). Warriors will KB you, rouges will kill you in 1 combo. Wizard/clerics are a little different, they aren't nearly as hard to kill if you do manage to stun, just DoT and nukes should win it for you.

tl;dr: Warlocks are the best PvP build (imo), but fail vs cleric sub euros.

Be better for the warrior to use axe, think of the axe restiance passive and fast attacks dealing only slightly less then 1h