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Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:29 pm
by penfold1992
options are...
bich fire light
bich fire cold
bich light cold
bich fire force
i want to be good in pvp

im thinking of tanking heavilly, fire and cold and then i can also freeze enemys

or.... should i just go fire light?
i need first hand experience from bladers who hav done these builds please

ps. dont owrry about lvling im gna plvl myself lol
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:11 am
by DeathBeforeDishonor
Everyone answer, I'm making a blader in future to and wanna know haha

Personally I was thinking of going with Fire/Force. The best damaging
Blader build I guess. In important things like guild wars you will have
bards for speed buffs and all that. Better speed buffs than what light
can give you. Even grinding you could have the speed buffs alot of the
time from bards. So basically I'm stuck between fire/fore and fire/ice.
Anways that's my two cents.
P.S. Does anyone have a skill calc for 100 cap?
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:46 am
by TeamLosi
The only thing force is good for with a Blader is the extra MP, you have status effects from chains, why get another full skill tree when you can do the same thing with the one you already have.
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:04 am
by DeathBeforeDishonor
TeamLosi wrote:The only thing force is good for with a Blader is the extra MP, you have status effects from chains, why get another full skill tree when you can do the same thing with the one you already have.
Theres different debuffs in force and such as parry ratio, decay, weaken
and more. Also if you chain doesn't get division on (for example) you
can try to use the force way of doing it. It's just you can have debuffs
on your enemy all the time. Also extra mp isn't that useful considering
you wouldn't even have snow shield.
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:07 am
by AznFury
bich force fire ftw
add that option
division lvl 10!!!
bich ofc
force for debuffs
fire for extra phy attk, mag def, strongest imbue
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:28 am
by the_wicked
none of the above?
100 fire 100 80 light 20 cold >.>
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:53 am
by _Scarlett_
the_wicked wrote:none of the above?
100 fire 100 bicheon 80 light 20 cold >.>
Don't really need Force, tbh I find it to be really useless. What Albel-noople put, I'd have to say that seems the more well-rounded Blade build for 100-cap. At least with 20 cold you're still capable of having snow shield; and yes snow shield is still helpful even for str builds.
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:24 am
by DeathBeforeDishonor
_Scarlett_ wrote:the_wicked wrote:none of the above?
100 fire 100 bicheon 80 light 20 cold >.>
Don't really need Force, tbh I find it to be really useless. What Albel-noople put, I'd have to say that seems the more well-rounded Blade build for 100-cap. At least with 20 cold you're still capable of having snow shield; and yes snow shield is still helpful even for str builds.
No way force is useless. It's just not the typical build but still can be
good. All the status you can put on people. More useful than light I
think. All light does is add speed, a little parry and little mag dmg.
At least you can do a bit more damage with force, I'm fairly sure force
debuff takes away heaps more parry than light adds.
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:43 am
by JKMB
DeathBeforeDishonor wrote:I'm fairly sure force
debuff takes away heaps more parry than light adds.
Yep my lvl1 force debuff reduces 43 parry, and my lvl70 light buff adds 29, at cap I think concentration adds 40 or so parry.
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:47 am
by monkey.
Bicheon/Fire/Force. I believe force debuffs would lover dmg more than parry ratio. Also you would have great dmg. And i think at higher levels force would help for grinding. You could lure mobs to your self with it by lowering they dmg/defense.
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:40 am
by penfold1992
so many peopl say bich fire force yet no1 votes for it?
im nt so intrested in 1vs1, more of... 5vs1 lol
5 on me that is
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:56 am
by JKMB
If you want to be the uber tank then 90 ice/fire is the way to go, throw on a prot set on top of that and you have a pretty nice balanced defense that is very high, and you also have the ice imbue

Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:37 am
by Stress
JKMB wrote:If you want to be the uber tank then 90 ice/fire is the way to go, throw on a prot set on top of that and you have a pretty nice balanced defense that is very high, and you also have the ice imbue

Yes. Also, having maxed ice means you can compensate for losing the physical defense with the Shield skill.
My Favorite blader builds:
100 fire
100 bicheon
60 light
40 cold (30% snow shield is playable for a blader because of blocks / Knockdown)
100 fire
100 force
100 bicheon (can, maybe, go hybrid STR for extra damage, as they have one (almost) certain stun every 20 seconds, and blocks + Knockdown)

Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:15 pm
by penfold1992
100 light seems a waste and so does 100 cold 2bh
options there are 20 40 60 80 cold (for ss)
and light would need to be either 80 60 40 20 obv
so yea i might think about a 60 light 40 ice

what do u guys say

Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:48 pm
by AznFury
sounds good
so 100 bich 100 fire 60 light 40 cold
30% snow will help you tank for 2 min
sounds like a strong build
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:58 pm
by jyushinshuu
if were to create a blader, i'd go for 100bich/fire 80light 20 cold.
cuz ghost walk shadow looks cool and snow shield novice is enough for a pure str.
because the way i see it, if you don't max ice then don't bother getting it higher at lv20.
but if you really want very good tanking ability, go for 100bich/fire/cold for show off, walking around in job wars and let other ppl see how good def u have with snow shield 60%.
but use only max of 30%snow if u plan to fight.
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:07 pm
by AznFury
60 snow is way to much for a blader
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:12 pm
by JKMB
aznfury91 wrote:60 snow is way to much for a blader
He means if you were just walking letting 10+ ppl hit you

as you wont need to attack back ^^ or be able to as I doubt you would have enough mana to anyway.
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:32 pm
by penfold1992
im a nuker atm and i hav 35% pots for mp and for pvping its not enough as i can sometimes get hit more then that in which case the snow shield has hardly any effect! 60 ice is too much imo i think thats like 30% snow? or 40? meh 40 is to great
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:00 pm
by JKMB
Remember that just becasue its possible to use a 40% snow shield, doesnt mean you should, you can always stick with a 25-35% one

Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:05 pm
by Stress
JKMB wrote:Remember that just becasue its possible to use a 40% snow shield, doesnt mean you should, you can always stick with a 25-35% one

30% snow is fine. Bladers have blocks, you know!
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:14 pm
by foudre
depends if at 100 cap the new alchemy stones come out for dull and bleed, if we get the new alchemy stones at this cap less people will have room to put in ice immunity blues on their items, making ice a very valid option again.
The ultimate Chinese tank would be bich/ice/fire, but force gets stun at 100 too, or was that 110 with konpaku gone i can't go back and look
Tough call between ice/fire or fire/force
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:54 am
by Ash
lmfao why do you want an extra defense (ice) for the blader
what blader need is speed lots & lots of speed TBH .
Just imagine grinding solo with 38% speed ( level 30 light ) . Yeah Big surprise bladers aren't so wanted in share parties (if you don't know why you should grind with one or two ).
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:47 am
by the_wicked
Ash wrote:lmfao why do you want an extra defense (ice) for the blader
what blader need is speed lots & lots of speed TBH .
Just imagine grinding solo with 38% speed ( level 30 light ) . Yeah Big surprise bladers aren't so wanted in share parties (if you don't know why you should grind with one or two ).
WARRIORS
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:27 pm
by Stress
the_wicked wrote:Ash wrote:lmfao why do you want an extra defense (ice) for the blader
what blader need is speed lots & lots of speed TBH .
Just imagine grinding solo with 38% speed ( level 30 light ) . Yeah Big surprise bladers aren't so wanted in share parties (if you don't know why you should grind with one or two ).
WARRIORS
Duh!
IMO, I can go as far as saying that, at 100 cap, glaivers need 100 ice.
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:29 pm
by Mishiru
go for an euro warrior

bicheon 100 fire 100 light 80 cold 20
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:31 am
by Blinxx
100bich/100fire/80light/20ice is the well built soling chinese blader in my opinion, pump up more ice for more snow and you got yourself a pretty strong blader doing well in pvps.
1 vs 1 hands down has to be 100 bich/fire/force
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:28 pm
by the_wicked
Blinxx wrote:100bich/100fire/80light/20ice is the well built soling chinese blader in my opinion, pump up more ice for more snow and you got yourself a pretty strong blader doing well in pvps.
1 vs 1 hands down has to be 100 bich/fire/force
phails vs. cleric classes.
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:46 pm
by blader4ever
I would go bicheon 100, but I'd suggest you think about leaving light at 32, taking 68 ice(for might guard) and 100 fire. light speed can be replaced by drugs and a blader wont be able to catch some1 and kill him even if you're both max light.
Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:04 pm
by penfold1992
blader4ever wrote:I would go bicheon 100, but I'd suggest you think about leaving light at 32, taking 68 ice(for might guard) and 100 fire. light speed can be replaced by drugs and a blader wont be able to catch some1 and kill him even if you're both max light.
drugs is an expensive way?