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Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:50 pm
by Confused
Well me and my friend was talking about chin chars...
and we come to a end that bower is a better version of glavie..
Bow skills has stun and kb same as glavie..
So the skills are almost the same and the Q is..
Is bow a better build cuz of range and high crits..
Or is glavie better whit same skills but more hp...
Or is it same shit but diff names lol?
Plz say why u voted for just that build..Reason?
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:58 pm
by omgomg123
i think bower is better cuz bower have crits,stun, and knockbacks which they will knockback u always...but glaive in the other hand has stun and knockbacks in lower lvls... bowers have them in higher lvls
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:02 pm
by Confused
yea but iam talking in general..
both lvl 90 fullfarmed..
i aggree whit u whit bow..
range + same skills + (more crits)depends on gear
Good agianst euros
and my server is over crowded of them lol
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:06 pm
by omgomg123
well if in general then i belive glaive is better....
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:13 pm
by Stress
Bows stun much less, but KB and crit much more. Glaivers have more HP and tank INT much better (with 15 second fan storm).
I like glaive more, tbh.
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:57 pm
by Ash
after playing both builds here's my opinion (btw i voted bow)
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Glaive pros :
-more agile (only galviers will understand xD )
-better vs int (nukers)
-better defense
-faster attacks (specially the throw when you need to kill a wizard)
-less cool down time for skills
-the weapon is much cheaper than the bow
-the weapon has higher physical attack
-needs less farming
Glaive cons :
-consumes a lot of hp/mp & I MEAN A LOT
-harder to train/farm (you need time to move between mops)
-close ranged attacks
-not as good as it was before in pvp at this cap (90)
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Bow pros :
-less hp/mp consumed
-faster grinding/farming speed
-far ranged attacks
-more criticals
-awesome in pvp
-KB probability is better
Bow cons :
-bad defense
-the weapon costs more gold
-arrows takes space in the inventory
-needs more farming
-skills take more time to cool down (7 seconds for the most 2 essential skills)
-skills takes more time
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:25 pm
by TeamLosi
Bow is the best if you know how to play it, instead of standing around in PvP boxing each other basically, a bow is made to get distance between you and your opponet, so if you can learn to phantom away and put up firewalls, bow will own most of the time.
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:22 pm
by Confused
Ash wrote:after playing both builds here's my opinion (btw i voted bow)
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Glaive pros :
-more agile (only galviers will understand xD )
-better vs int (nukers)
-better defense
-faster attacks (specially the throw when you need to kill a wizard)
-less cool down time for skills
-the weapon is much cheaper than the bow
-the weapon has higher physical attack
-needs less farming
Glaive cons :
-consumes a lot of hp/mp & I MEAN A LOT
-harder to train/farm (you need time to move between mops)
-close ranged attacks
-not as good as it was before in pvp at this cap (90)
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Bow pros :
-less hp/mp consumed
-faster grinding/farming speed
-far ranged attacks
-more criticals
-awesome in pvp
-KB probability is better
Bow cons :
-bad defense
-the weapon costs more gold
-arrows takes space in the inventory
-needs more farming
-skills take more time to cool down (7 seconds for the most 2 essential skills)
-skills takes more time
I looked in to the sp farming point..
if u go 60 /60 light cold and bow/fire 90 its like 50k sp more ^^
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:58 pm
by sowterg
Bows are better but theres a but and its a big but!, do the bonues cover the fallbacks.
yes you get range and crits which in turn allows you to lvl almost as fast as nukers
but the downside is lack of def and the cost and storage of arrows but if you can afford prem stuff its defitnly the way to go with 10,000 arrows packs availble to you.
but also you always need the best bow for your lvl with the most + and blues you can find.
but then again what its costs you in arrows you probly save on potions.
id say glaives are probly less stressful nothing more enuyin than running out of arrows half way threw a giant or party mob.
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:16 pm
by Starrie
Ash wrote:after playing both builds here's my opinion (btw i voted bow)
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Glaive pros :
-more agile (only galviers will understand xD ) --> True
-better vs int (nukers) --> Depends on gear, but moslty true
-better defense --> Why?
-faster attacks (specially the throw when you need to kill a wizard) --> True, especially Ghost Spear Serie
-less cool down time for skills --> Dunno about this?
-the weapon is much cheaper than the bow --> Server depending
-the weapon has higher physical attack --> True
-needs less farming --> Dunno
Glaive cons :
-consumes a lot of hp/mp & I MEAN A LOT --> Soo true
-harder to train/farm (you need time to move between mobs) --> True
-close ranged attacks --> ??
-not as good as it was before in pvp at this cap (90) --> True
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Bow pros :
-less hp/mp consumed --> True
-faster grinding/farming speed --> True
-far ranged attacks --> True
-more criticals --> Only with the upper skill tree
-awesome in pvp --> I'd call the 5-combo more irritating tbh.
-KB probability is better --> But the skill doesnt do much dmge.
Bow cons :
-bad defense --> Gear depending
-the weapon costs more gold --> As I said: Server depending
-arrows takes space in the inventory --> No doubt.
-needs more farming --> Dunno
-skills take more time to cool down (7 seconds for the most 2 essential skills) --> dunno
-skills takes more time --> The strong bow serie used to have a long casting time, but it decreased.
So overall, I'd go for glaive, it got better pro's.
No, i'm NOT flaming, I only added my knowledge to yours.
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:44 pm
by Confused
Hmm...
Dont get it..
Why has Glavie better defence then bower?
I only see that glavie has more hp then a bower not better defence..
And more hp isnt needed cuz if ur enemy dont get close enough to hit u dont lose any hp
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:48 pm
by borat2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWvfNa1aR9obow will be amazing in group fights.
glaives are the solo pvp kings.
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:36 pm
by Ash
Confused wrote:Hmm...
Dont get it..
Why has Glavie better defence then bower?
I only see that glavie has more hp then a bower not better defence..
And more hp isnt needed cuz if ur enemy dont get close enough to hit u dont lose any hp
by defense i mean survivability .
so glavie is better because :
1-glavie has the fanning spear series which adds a lot of magical defense for 15 seconds
2-the glavie ghost spears can do knock back to several mops while the bow KB can do it to 1 target only (so when you are ganged up by several mops you can KB 2 or 3 of them)
3-The extra hp
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:33 pm
by Hustlar
tbh bow gets rly cool looking skills at 100 cap though, but at 90 cap they all look like the damn same ones, i was bower aswell not high lvl though but i rly hated all those arrows in my inventory, not to mention i wasn't picking up any materials/tablets because them my inventory would be always full.
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:57 am
by LillDev!l
i think bowers do better in pvp, atleast.. for me as a bower, i dont really have much problems with glaviers, the hardest ones to kill are sword shield nukers and bladers (they have a shield, shields have anti crit) s/s nukers go down when their snow is over though ...
just make use of your range, kill your enemys from distance and watch them say "NOOB, YOU RUN" ^__^
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:12 pm
by Hustlar
indeed, dont be scared to use phantom and firewall/icewall
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:46 pm
by Macsnow
Ash wrote:Confused wrote:Hmm...
Dont get it..
Why has Glavie better defence then bower?
I only see that glavie has more hp then a bower not better defence..
And more hp isnt needed cuz if ur enemy dont get close enough to hit u dont lose any hp
by defense i mean survivability .
so glavie is better because :
1-glavie has the fanning spear series which adds a lot of magical defense for 15 seconds
2-the glavie ghost spears can do knock back to several mops while the bow KB can do it to 1 target only (so when you are ganged up by several mops you can KB 2 or 3 of them)
3-The extra hp
4- Dull state
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:14 am
by Ragnorak
LillDev!l wrote:i think bowers do better in pvp, atleast.. for me as a bower, i dont really have much problems with glaviers, the hardest ones to kill are sword shield nukers and bladers (they have a shield, shields have anti crit) s/s nukers go down when their snow is over though ...
just make use of your range, kill your enemys from distance and watch them say "NOOB, YOU RUN" ^__^
I thought this guy was invincible but out of 3 pvp I won 2x
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=345000I want to pvp if you are 90 lilldevil.
On topic, I win the majority of my pvp vs bowers, glavier stun a lot more often given the fact that I only use Emperor.sss and windless+storm cloud as a finisher. sure bow kb often but the stun just don't really allow hp to get back up
bower dmg. is less compare to glavier...thats why they have a higher probability of crits...but reallying on crits. is something I don't like...those bowers that like to phamton..all they do is reset the pvp to the start allowing both to regain full heath.
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:26 am
by jyushinshuu
Ragnorak wrote:LillDev!l wrote:i think bowers do better in pvp, atleast.. for me as a bower, i dont really have much problems with glaviers, the hardest ones to kill are sword shield nukers and bladers (they have a shield, shields have anti crit) s/s nukers go down when their snow is over though ...
just make use of your range, kill your enemys from distance and watch them say "NOOB, YOU RUN" ^__^
I thought this guy was invincible but out of 3 pvp I won 2x
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=345000I want to pvp if you are 90 lilldevil.
On topic, I win the majority of my pvp vs bowers, glavier stun a lot more often given the fact that I only use Emperor.sss and windless+storm cloud as a finisher. sure bow kb often but the stun just don't really allow hp to get back up
bower dmg. is less compare to glavier...thats why they have a higher probability of crits...but reallying on crits. is something I don't like...those bowers that like to phamton..all they do is reset the pvp to the start allowing both to regain full heath.
+1 glaviers are the best in general.
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:35 am
by alZen
for those who thinks pvp is standing still throwing "stone, paper, scissors", glaive is more for you. those who prefer to flirt more with your opponents, archer is for you.
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:25 pm
by LillDev!l
Ragnorak wrote:LillDev!l wrote:i think bowers do better in pvp, atleast.. for me as a bower, i dont really have much problems with glaviers, the hardest ones to kill are sword shield nukers and bladers (they have a shield, shields have anti crit) s/s nukers go down when their snow is over though ...
just make use of your range, kill your enemys from distance and watch them say "NOOB, YOU RUN" ^__^
I thought this guy was invincible but out of 3 pvp I won 2x
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=345000I want to pvp if you are 90 lilldevil.
On topic, I win the majority of my pvp vs bowers, glavier stun a lot more often given the fact that I only use Emperor.sss and windless+storm cloud as a finisher. sure bow kb often but the stun just don't really allow hp to get back up
bower dmg. is less compare to glavier...thats why they have a higher probability of crits...but reallying on crits. is something I don't like...those bowers that like to phamton..all they do is reset the pvp to the start allowing both to regain full heath.
MaStA has noob jewels ^^ but yea, still nice.
ill pvp you at 90, sure xD but you'll have to wait a year till i get there
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:07 pm
by NuclearSilo
Blade => tanker
Bow => killer
==> Glaive => middle of tanker-killer
Better in what? Defense? Attack? PvP? Groupd fight? Grinding?
Question not clear => cannot answer
(@cap 100, bower has the highest survability among the chinese)
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:49 am
by jyushinshuu
yes, highest survivability in 1on1 fight cuz 2 knock back skills. but not in jobwars.
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:54 am
by Confused
jyushinshuu wrote:yes, highest survivability in 1on1 fight cuz 2 knock back skills. but not in jobwars.
Yea but in job wars just run around and shoot lol...
I know alot of bowers that to great in jobwars..
But still i think the glavie is cool to play whit..
The archer is kinda boring..
Shoot arrows in diff coulers kinda get boring..
But after the 80skills update i think glavie and bower is about the same skillwise..
Its not so big diff and if i should make one i think the bower cuz of the range and the amout off crits(small diff)... cuz iam lazy do hunt mobs...easier that they come to me
Re: Bower same as Glavie?
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:56 am
by Confused
NuclearSilo wrote:Blade => tanker
Bow => killer
==> Glaive => middle of tanker-killer
Better in what? Defense? Attack? PvP? Groupd fight? Grinding?
Question not clear => cannot answer
(@cap 100, bower has the highest survability among the chinese)
If u spend like 30 secs and read what i wrote u would see that the question was clear and everyone else understood what i ment in this topic..
Its about the skills btw