What is the best glaive build?

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I am hearing people talking about full str glaive build using 90 heuksel/ 90 fire / 72 ice en 48 light and 60/60 light ice and 90 90 90 30 ice
1) What do you guys think is the best build for full str glaive?
2) How much % snow shield is the best for glaive without getting MP problems?

[Macsnow]

Im doin 90 heuskal/fire/light... with 30ice.
But I recently read a post in wich it explained how u would get an advantage using ice, for wich Im doing some serious thinking.

For tanking, definetly higher Ice would help a lot.
But I would prefer takin 90ice with 30light than doing the 72/48, reason being that ice buff and passive have a big difference from 72 to 90, and I could live with 30 light.

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hm instead of the 72/48 from that post
I suggested 65 light/55 ice, its same as 72 ice/48 light but uses prot and not garms and can phantom more than 15m

[robink]

hm instead of the 72/48 from that post
I suggested 65 light/55 ice, its same as 72 ice/48 light but uses prot and not garms and can phantom more than 15m

which level snow shield are you using?
because I dunno or that is worth it -.-
the advantage of ice is power guard of ice lvl 54 phy def pwr: 20 thats like 12 more then 30 ice
I would take 90light 30 ice or the 72ice/48light but I love to run fast so I dunno yet :p

[-.-]

well the thing with 72 ice/48 light using garms and 65 light/55 ice using prot is that they have the exact same speed and phy (without counting the reinforce on items)

but the 65light/55 ice can phantom longer, has 10% less mp bonus than garms and slightly less mag def due to not using garms (so build i like can phantom more for slightly less mag def)

both builds use same lvl snow shield since its still pure str

[Stress]

90 fire/90 ice/90 heuksal/30 light if you have money, else 90 fire / 90 heuksal / 72 ice / 48 light.

[_Dutchy_]

hm instead of the 72/48 from that post
I suggested 65 light/55 ice, its same as 72 ice/48 light but uses prot and not garms and can phantom more than 15m

which level snow shield are you using?
because I dunno or that is worth it -.-
the advantage of ice is power guard of ice lvl 54 phy def pwr: 20 thats like 12 more then 30 ice
I would take 90light 30 ice or the 72ice/48light but I love to run fast so I dunno yet :p

idk if your capped or not but you can't wear D9 prot as a glaiver since your missing on the Chest 90 legs 89 and Necklace 89 Nukers will rip you apart i had a full +6 prot set and nukers could kill me easly at the 80 cap prot was fine thoug since you had full gear but 90 cap prot just has a to low Mag defence to tank nukers and such

[Ragnorak]

hm instead of the 72/48 from that post
I suggested 65 light/55 ice, its same as 72 ice/48 light but uses prot and not garms and can phantom more than 15m

which level snow shield are you using?
because I dunno or that is worth it -.-
the advantage of ice is power guard of ice lvl 54 phy def pwr: 20 thats like 12 more then 30 ice
I would take 90light 30 ice or the 72ice/48light but I love to run fast so I dunno yet :p

idk if your capped or not but you can't wear D9 prot as a glaiver since your missing on the Chest 90 legs 89 and Necklace 89 Nukers will rip you apart i had a full +6 prot set and nukers could kill me easly at the 80 cap prot was fine thoug since you had full gear but 90 cap prot just has a to low Mag defence to tank nukers and such

I have a +5 protector set (missing 89/90 leg/chest neck) 99% of the times I win vs nukers...Emperor,soul SS win stun several times when nuker has snow on allowing u to repot and bloody snake storm will also guarantee u get back to full heath. having pills to take off bleed/impotent is also a good idea. snow shield with xlarge mp pots might be need vs nukers with +7 weapon.

I'll say 90 heuk/90 fire/90 light/30 ice
the 72 ice gives more def. from phy. atk. however with light u gain more mag. atk. and since Chinese build dmg is almost half from imbue (mag) and half weapon. the phy. def is not a HUGE increase...maybe more helpful vs euro 2hand since there weapon its only phy. atk.

[AWM]

Wearing garment and 90 heuksal / 90 fire / 90 cold / 30 light no doubt. Buy 100% drugs or not, running is for b1tches (if some1 goes that 30light and ur hella slow cant catch anything?!). Sure it helps in pvp and most who have cold90 in our server has 100% drug in cape too.

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[/quote]I'll say 90 heuk/90 fire/90 light/30 ice
the 72 ice gives more def. from phy. atk. however with light u gain more mag. atk. and since Chinese build dmg is almost half from imbue (mag) and half weapon. the phy. def is not a HUGE increase...maybe more helpful vs euro 2hand since there weapon its only phy. atk.[/quote]

I think I will take 90light aswell it does more damage and I see running as a tactic and speed potions tho I am not poor I dont like to buy them , but ragnorak which snow shield are you using? and did you upgrade firewall or ice wall series?

[Ragnorak]

I'll say 90 heuk/90 fire/90 light/30 ice
the 72 ice gives more def. from phy. atk. however with light u gain more mag. atk. and since Chinese build dmg is almost half from imbue (mag) and half weapon. the phy. def is not a HUGE increase...maybe more helpful vs euro 2hand since there weapon its only phy. atk.[/quote]

I think I will take 90light aswell it does more damage and I see running as a tactic and speed potions tho I am not poor I dont like to buy them , but ragnorak which snow shield are you using? and did you upgrade firewall or ice wall series?[/quote]

with 30 ice i believe max snow is 23%....u can use large mp vs another str..but if u want to use snow vs nukers u will need Xlarge MP.

I have firewall max and the 1st lvl of ice wall....
both this skill don't need to me max since one atk. from a Chinese nuker/wizard will destroy the firewall..same goes for ice wall, it will be destroy by one atk.

since most job wars are at dw gates... having firewall will prevent any invisible wizard from one hitting u..or stealth rogue that want to use prick..if u have ice wall.

i have seen firewall been using against bladers to prevent kd,, so having it max its a + but it will be destroy in about 4-5hits since blader imbue its mag.

ice wall has also been use to further tank 2hands...when a glavier stuns a 2hand cast ice wall...99% of 2hands counter with dare devil after the stun so all they did was loose 10% of there hp to destroy ur ice wall and u take 0 dmg. only use it when warrior has skins/bless...without it just keep attacking.

I think this is the longest post I have ever made

[AWM]

I'll say 90 heuk/90 fire/90 light/30 ice
the 72 ice gives more def. from phy. atk. however with light u gain more mag. atk. and since Chinese build dmg is almost half from imbue (mag) and half weapon. the phy. def is not a HUGE increase...maybe more helpful vs euro 2hand since there weapon its only phy. atk.

Okey lets see, by saying that pure str char half damage comes from imbue is badly wrong, it effects sure a lot but half is far from it. And what comes to magattack increase buff u cant even see more damage cause ur every hit is different in first place and theres no way it increases pure str glaviers damage considerably.

Even more wrong is to say that phydef increase what u get from high cold is not much, 1. 72 cold gives u 122 phydef more (protector set with same stats compared to garment set is around 70 phydef more) so its already very nice bonus. 2. 90 cold gives u ridiculous 264 phydef more and hell yea it shows up too, ure much harder to get down by another pure str char. What comes to snowshield imo 25% is best for pure str, maybe bigger against 2h warrior example since they hit slow but hard.

I guess Ragnorak never tried high cold instead of light and judges it with failing. Also when ure highlvl u should easily have gold for speed drugs. Thats pretty much all.

[robink]

I'll say 90 heuk/90 fire/90 light/30 ice
the 72 ice gives more def. from phy. atk. however with light u gain more mag. atk. and since Chinese build dmg is almost half from imbue (mag) and half weapon. the phy. def is not a HUGE increase...maybe more helpful vs euro 2hand since there weapon its only phy. atk.

Okey lets see, by saying that pure str char half damage comes from imbue is badly wrong, it effects sure a lot but half is far from it. And what comes to magattack increase buff u cant even see more damage cause ur every hit is different in first place and theres no way it increases pure str glaviers damage considerably.

Even more wrong is to say that phydef increase what u get from high cold is not much, 1. 72 cold gives u 122 phydef more (protector set with same stats compared to garment set is around 70 phydef more) so its already very nice bonus. 2. 90 cold gives u ridiculous 264 phydef more and hell yea it shows up too, ure much harder to get down by another pure str char. What comes to snowshield imo 25% is best for pure str, maybe bigger against 2h warrior example since they hit slow but hard.

I guess Ragnorak never tried high cold instead of light and judges it with failing. Also when ure highlvl u should easily have gold for speed drugs. Thats pretty much all.

ok first think what does a lvl 90 glaive hit ( while using a skill) with imbue and what without if that isnt a big difference so we can see wether the mag increase is usefull or not

2) AWM are you 90 wep/ice/fire?
3) 264 phy defence wooo00oot that sure is great

ty for your reply and replies given already

[AWM]

I'll investigate that later but u can test damage with piercing force buff and without. And same with flame body buff..

2. Nope, currently playing pure str bow 90 pacheon 90 fire 70 cold 50 light pretty much because I dont wanna lose phantom, what is 16m at light 50 and great for bow char . My glavier is gonna be 90 heuksal 90 fire 90 cold 30 light by seeing how terminator that is.

3. No doubt

Add: like I said only bad thing is that u lose phantom to catch x-bow rogues and other pricks, BUT after all they usually drops with flying dragon pretty good .

[robink]

I cant invenstigate xD I dont have any china chars :p I got lvl 68 warrior 70 rogue which I keep training :p and got 64wiz and some rubbish from long time ago
btw what would u advice for 100gap?

[Insanity]

light is good cuase when people run away from you can chase after them, also if nukers try to get their distance from you, you can phantom and get right up in their face.

[robink]

maybe I take 85light so I have the speed max and also have 25% snow shield
good idea?

[noobert mclagg]

I would do 90heuk/90fire/60light/60ice, best of both world if u ask me. Then at 100 cap u just do 100heuk/100fire/50light/50ice.

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what is the best snow shield for full str without getting mp probs? or is it smarter to use differend snow shields vs diff enemies?

[Stopper]

well i am for now 90/heusk/fire 72cold/48light - protectro. well not much satisfied...
I cannot use high level phy.def from cold, and bloody bladers rape me much.
better tank is coldest one.
against others no such a problems.
will go at cold90.
and may be will try cold imbue + chain series (Pluto) agains bladers.
they are so much for now, and getting more... and cold will slow them a bit.
well noone will win, but that is better than die.

[Ash]

hesukal 90
Fire 90
Ice 60
Thunder 60
Less Farming FTW

[Ragnorak]

I'll say 90 heuk/90 fire/90 light/30 ice
the 72 ice gives more def. from phy. atk. however with light u gain more mag. atk. and since Chinese build dmg is almost half from imbue (mag) and half weapon. the phy. def is not a HUGE increase...maybe more helpful vs euro 2hand since there weapon its only phy. atk.

Okey lets see, by saying that pure str char half damage comes from imbue is badly wrong, it effects sure a lot but half is far from it. And what comes to magattack increase buff u cant even see more damage cause ur every hit is different in first place and theres no way it increases pure str glaviers damage considerably.

Even more wrong is to say that phydef increase what u get from high cold is not much, 1. 72 cold gives u 122 phydef more (protector set with same stats compared to garment set is around 70 phydef more) so its already very nice bonus. 2. 90 cold gives u ridiculous 264 phydef more and hell yea it shows up too, ure much harder to get down by another pure str char. What comes to snowshield imo 25% is best for pure str, maybe bigger against 2h warrior example since they hit slow but hard.

I guess Ragnorak never tried high cold instead of light and judges it with failing. Also when ure highlvl u should easily have gold for speed drugs. Thats pretty much all.

I didn't know that "almost" half=half...
about 3/4 of the dmg. comes from pure phy. dmg. and a litle over 1/3 is from imbue...use mag.increase buff+imbue and dmg. is half from phy. and half from imbue+mag.increase buff at times.

Let me rephrase the phy.def is not huge to >>> def is not huge...if we say that half dmg is from phy. atk. and other half from imbue+mag. increase....then the pure phy. def of 122 is almost cut in half since it only helps with the phy.atk reduction not the imbue dmg. reduction.
so the 122 phy. def increase might look like a lot,,,its really not vs other Chinese str. in other other hand its a lot compare to a euro. who only has phy. atk...of course u won't see the diff. since there weapon are a lot stronger.

This is why pure str. Chinese can still kill another pure str. that has max phy.def from cleric.
if a euro weapon phy.atk. was the same as a Chinese they probably would not even come close to killing someone with max. phy def from cleric.

[AWM]

well i am for now 90/heusk/fire 72cold/48light - protectro. well not much satisfied...
I cannot use high level phy.def from cold, and bloody bladers rape me much.
better tank is coldest one.
against others no such a problems.
will go at cold90.
and may be will try cold imbue + chain series (Pluto) agains bladers.
they are so much for now, and getting more... and cold will slow them a bit.
well noone will win, but that is better than die.

I cant see much problems with bladers and Im using garment, cold70 (buffed phydef 1345), except force bladers who are very killa. And must be noob players if they doesnt have ice immunity at highlvl. Ice imbue works good against euros who has sub bard instead cleric.

[AWM]

what is the best snow shield for full str without getting mp probs? or is it smarter to use differend snow shields vs diff enemies?

Yeah like I said before using different is good, against another chinas 25% does good. Against 2h I can use even 40% without much problems since im bow.

[AWM]

I'll say 90 heuk/90 fire/90 light/30 ice
the 72 ice gives more def. from phy. atk. however with light u gain more mag. atk. and since Chinese build dmg is almost half from imbue (mag) and half weapon. the phy. def is not a HUGE increase...maybe more helpful vs euro 2hand since there weapon its only phy. atk.

Okey lets see, by saying that pure str char half damage comes from imbue is badly wrong, it effects sure a lot but half is far from it. And what comes to magattack increase buff u cant even see more damage cause ur every hit is different in first place and theres no way it increases pure str glaviers damage considerably.

Even more wrong is to say that phydef increase what u get from high cold is not much, 1. 72 cold gives u 122 phydef more (protector set with same stats compared to garment set is around 70 phydef more) so its already very nice bonus. 2. 90 cold gives u ridiculous 264 phydef more and hell yea it shows up too, ure much harder to get down by another pure str char. What comes to snowshield imo 25% is best for pure str, maybe bigger against 2h warrior example since they hit slow but hard.

I guess Ragnorak never tried high cold instead of light and judges it with failing. Also when ure highlvl u should easily have gold for speed drugs. Thats pretty much all.

I didn't know that "almost" half=half...
about 3/4 of the dmg. comes from pure phy. dmg. and a litle over 1/3 is from imbue...use mag.increase buff+imbue and dmg. is half from phy. and half from imbue+mag.increase buff at times.

Let me rephrase the phy.def is not huge to >>> def is not huge...if we say that half dmg is from phy. atk. and other half from imbue+mag. increase....then the pure phy. def of 122 is almost cut in half since it only helps with the phy.atk reduction not the imbue dmg. reduction.
so the 122 phy. def increase might look like a lot,,,its really not vs other Chinese str. in other other hand its a lot compare to a euro. who only has phy. atk...of course u won't see the diff. since there weapon are a lot stronger.

This is why pure str. Chinese can still kill another pure str. that has max phy.def from cleric.
if a euro weapon phy.atk. was the same as a Chinese they probably would not even come close to killing someone with max. phy def from cleric.

Okey theres some nice theory, but ure saying 122 phydef is like nothing and its almost 2x than u get changing for garment set to protector and u can see clearly changes against pure str chars with testing that. Cold 90 and u see some real results, same str builds u pvped before hits way less now. Lets say its good to have magdmg increase buff but compared to more phydefense it loses 10-0.

[Ragnorak]

I'll say 90 heuk/90 fire/90 light/30 ice
the 72 ice gives more def. from phy. atk. however with light u gain more mag. atk. and since Chinese build dmg is almost half from imbue (mag) and half weapon. the phy. def is not a HUGE increase...maybe more helpful vs euro 2hand since there weapon its only phy. atk.

Okey theres some nice theory, but ure saying 122 phydef is like nothing and its almost 2x than u get changing for garment set to protector and u can see clearly changes against pure str chars with testing that. Cold 90 and u see some real results, same str builds u pvped before hits way less now. Lets say its good to have magdmg increase buff but compared to more phydefense it loses 10-0.

[/quote]

ok, so lets pretend you have cold max..huge phy. def...does this make you invincible vs other chinese str. NO...stun/crit>264 phy.def..
I have seen Chinese with max def from cleric buff still get kill....in the other hand you lack more dmg..since you loose 11% mag.increase...lots of parry>264 phy. def...difference b/w getting hit for 6k or 8k at times....and worthless vs Nukers...but were are not talking about 90 cold here.

if there was not such thing as stun/crit/kb,parry, atk. rating, then high phy.def might make u invisible vs other str.

[AWM]

Lolled @ how u say stun/crit > defense . Like glaviers doesnt crit or stun a lot? and who tanks better in stun fight lets say glavier vs glavier heuksal 90 fire 90 light 90 cold 30? build vs cold 90 build same gear, sure its about luck and how they play but u can see huge difference in damage and I guarantee ure magattack light 90 glavier hits +1-2k less with every skill than glavier who has invested to phydefense.

Now u took parry up too, well u still get 34 parry bonus from light 30 (buff+passive) AND +7% magattack buff .

[Stopper]

and cold 90 is sp usefull against euros (no cleric ones), and bladers.
damm slow them up at the first time with frostbite , then use fire imbue to finish them

[Ragnorak]

Lolled @ how u say stun/crit > defense . Like glaviers doesnt crit or stun a lot? and who tanks better in stun fight lets say glavier vs glavier heuksal 90 fire 90 light 90 cold 30? build vs cold 90 build same gear, sure its about luck and how they play but u can see huge difference in damage and I guarantee ure magattack light 90 glavier hits +1-2k less with every skill than glavier who has invested to phydefense.

Now u took parry up too, well u still get 34 parry bonus from light 30 (buff+passive) AND +7% magattack buff .

I based what I said on my experience with my lvl 90 glavier...can u tell me the name of your lvl 90 glavier....I have kill other glaviers that have max cleric phy. def...234 phy. def is not going to save u from several stun/crits...sure a a 90 glavier would take less dmg..but not over 1-2k...though the 90 cold glavier have more phy. def u lack more dmg and less parry. the 90 light has more more dmg., have u eve notice why some nukes hit for 11k and other times for 14k??? cuz of ar and parry influence from both players. though u do have 34 parry having more is better.
pvp with your cap glavier if you even have one to find out which one is better,,,for me is light 90.

[AWM]

Lolled @ how u say stun/crit > defense . Like glaviers doesnt crit or stun a lot? and who tanks better in stun fight lets say glavier vs glavier heuksal 90 fire 90 light 90 cold 30? build vs cold 90 build same gear, sure its about luck and how they play but u can see huge difference in damage and I guarantee ure magattack light 90 glavier hits +1-2k less with every skill than glavier who has invested to phydefense.

Now u took parry up too, well u still get 34 parry bonus from light 30 (buff+passive) AND +7% magattack buff .

I based what I said on my experience with my lvl 90 glavier...can u tell me the name of your lvl 90 glavier....I have kill other glaviers that have max cleric phy. def...234 phy. def is not going to save u from several stun/crits...sure a a 90 glavier would take less dmg..but not over 1-2k...though the 90 cold glavier have more phy. def u lack more dmg and less parry. the 90 light has more more dmg., have u eve notice why some nukes hit for 11k and other times for 14k??? cuz of ar and parry influence from both players. though u do have 34 parry having more is better.
pvp with your cap glavier if you even have one to find out which one is better,,,for me is light 90.

Sure u can win another glavier who has better defense with many stuns and crits thats not a miracle. And again 264 phydefense more shows up better than 15% magattack buff, yeah ar and parry sure changes hits every time but u can see clearly less damage to cold 90 build than light 90, and it is easily +1k. Ive watched so much different glavie fights and pvped against them, youre stupid if u cant see the difference even when considering ar/parry changes. <- By that glaviers having light 90 magicattack buff doesnt seem to effect damage at all compared to huge defense increase what u get from cold. I dunno how I need to write that or make same kinda research that u get it?