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i use to think warlocks are a pretty interesting and fun build with all the stuns and debuffs. However, it appears that most of their skills can now be prevented with just a HOLY SPELL skill which clerics can use..

.. and there are so many clerics out there, its like the best subclass for any build.. and almost every high level out there, whether its pvp or jobbing theres always a cleric.

so my question, are warlocks good in anyway anymore?
if yes in what way?


thx xD

lead me to any cool warlock vids <3.

warlock is good...

even with holy spell... just put 2 dots on them + stun/switch to sub wiz/cleric and meteor/offering...

you really need to understand what you do with warlock so against an enemy who has holy word you must not use debuff skills but use vampire and just damage skills / reflect etc

And always begin a fight with vampire skill because of the desease skills all other debuffs will work 99% of the time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D4ddFuIeuc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To4XamI8LoU (zerk + bless + massive DoT rape)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lidn6dxst9o

can some1 lvl90 make a pvp video with 2h/cleric?

ciko1984 wrote:can some1 lvl90 make a pvp video with 2h/cleric?

90 warlock 80 cleric 10 warrior is the only warlock build that has a chance against the 2hand/cleric in 1v1 and thats if they can tank away the holy spell and immediately attack during the opponents vulnerability. Either way its highly unlikely due to the 2hand being a ridiculously strong class with an added crit increase passive and the fact that holy spell lasts for a full 5minutes. Warlocks aren't made for that sort of pvp and shine most in party pvp. Theyre also chinese killers, even a heavy hybrid can take down a chinese char.

[Pure str warlock, not pure int here]

First of all, I play a lvl 77 1h warrior with sub warlock, and I absolutely love the build. I can already drop lvl 90 chinese [tanking them is another story, if I get trap + sleep off, I pretty much win]. I can't wait to get to 85.

Although most would say the cleric holy spell completely ruins warlock, it is not true at all. The two debuffs my build rely on the most are wheel bind and the bleed DoT [bleed nor wheel bind are prevented by holy spell]. Wheel bind adds a 4 second delay to pots, while bleed cuts the effectives of pots almost in half. Against a euro, cleric or not, it's devastating.

MrFudge wrote:

ciko1984 wrote:can some1 lvl90 make a pvp video with 2h/cleric?

90 warlock 80 cleric 10 warrior is the only warlock build that has a chance against the 2hand/cleric in 1v1 and thats if they can tank away the holy spell and immediately attack during the opponents vulnerability. Either way its highly unlikely due to the 2hand being a ridiculously strong class with an added crit increase passive and the fact that holy spell lasts for a full 5minutes. Warlocks aren't made for that sort of pvp and shine most in party pvp. Theyre also chinese killers, even a heavy hybrid can take down a chinese char.

2h clerics aren't much trouble. While they are bless + skinned, I just switch back and forth between warlock and warrior to shield trash, sprint assault, daze, wheel bind, and bleed them with the bleed DoT. If they attempt to heal the bleed or wheel bind away by switching to cleric, they obviously loose their skins. As a 1h, you also have the best defense amongst euros; increased block passive, increased phys def passive, and an anti-crit passive; tanking them isn't that difficult especially if you are disrupting them the whole time.

If you are a pure int warlock; good luck. A single dare devil might be enough to drop you, and you'll be venerable whenever your stun books are on cool down.

[The only build I have any trouble with at all is another warlock. If they don't have sub cleric, it basically ends up being a whomever puts the other to trap+sleep first fight, but with it, I have quite a bit of difficulty. I was considering skilling 2h just to deal with pure int warlock/clerics. Stun + sprint assault + daredevil pretty much would do the trick.]

I fought a 90 warlock/90 cleric and if u use the ice wall u are immune to all stats including stun/sleep so basically it can't destroy it cuz has no phy atk and u won't die..just atk with range skills,,,flying dragon/bow/nukes.

Ragnorak wrote:I fought a 90 warlock/90 cleric and if u use the ice wall u are immune to all stats including stun/sleep so basically it can't destroy it cuz has no phy atk and u won't die..just atk with range skills,,,flying dragon/bow/nukes.

The Crystal Wall trick is pretty effective but it also renders you immobile. It's easy for someone to run away from it and cast DoTs to hurt you from a distance, and it gives the opponent time to even cast bless spell

I would rate Warlocks 9.5/10 for their debuff abilities in general PVP, but against holy spell they are like a 5/10. It DOES make more than half the debuffs useless, and sleep as well. Pure INT Warlocks need some pretty damn good luck and timing skill to pull off three consecutive stuns and Wheel Bind in a row against Warrior/Cleric, but STR warlocks have it a bit easier.

Advancechao wrote:

Ragnorak wrote:I fought a 90 warlock/90 cleric and if u use the ice wall u are immune to all stats including stun/sleep so basically it can't destroy it cuz has no phy atk and u won't die..just atk with range skills,,,flying dragon/bow/nukes.

The Crystal Wall trick is pretty effective but it also renders you immobile. It's easy for someone to run away from it and cast DoTs to hurt you from a distance, and it gives the opponent time to even cast bless spell

I would rate Warlocks 9.5/10 for their debuff abilities in general PVP, but against holy spell they are like a 5/10. It DOES make more than half the debuffs useless, and sleep as well. Pure INT Warlocks need some pretty damn good luck and timing skill to pull off three consecutive stuns and Wheel Bind in a row against Warrior/Cleric, but STR warlocks have it a bit easier.

yes thats what they do, go far away but they can still be hit with Flying Dragon. I didn't die while in the Crystal Wall. since there DoTs are not very strong. I just stay there till there bless is over. keep atking with Flying Draong to lower HP and disable the Crystal Wall when u think HP is low. Phamton+E+Storm cloud usually does the trick...having shield bash would be better imo.

overall they are very good, specially on job/fort

I think it depends mostly on skill for any of the classes, can someone post a 1h warrior/warlock pvp video? (Preferably lvl 80/90)

um... warlocks shadow armor (high lvl one, is 25m) is longer than any nuke/range attack chinese have (maybe not bow :s)

plus warlock/cleric could always stun+offering

-.- wrote:um... warlocks shadow armor (high lvl one, is 25m) is longer than any nuke/range attack chinese have (maybe not bow :s)

plus warlock/cleric could always stun+offering

if it is 25m bow can't hit it in current cap
but I don't think its that far

maybe not 25m :S i forgot, i know one of the skills extends that far

but i still go by if it's a bow/galvie/2h/axe/rogue/shield less person, just stun+offering lol
if its an int, stun+absolute damage from cleric+switch to warlock then absoulte damage again

Ragnorak wrote:

Advancechao wrote:

Ragnorak wrote:I fought a 90 warlock/90 cleric and if u use the ice wall u are immune to all stats including stun/sleep so basically it can't destroy it cuz has no phy atk and u won't die..just atk with range skills,,,flying dragon/bow/nukes.

The Crystal Wall trick is pretty effective but it also renders you immobile. It's easy for someone to run away from it and cast DoTs to hurt you from a distance, and it gives the opponent time to even cast bless spell

I would rate Warlocks 9.5/10 for their debuff abilities in general PVP, but against holy spell they are like a 5/10. It DOES make more than half the debuffs useless, and sleep as well. Pure INT Warlocks need some pretty damn good luck and timing skill to pull off three consecutive stuns and Wheel Bind in a row against Warrior/Cleric, but STR warlocks have it a bit easier.

yes thats what they do, go far away but they can still be hit with Flying Dragon. I didn't die while in the Crystal Wall. since there DoTs are not very strong. I just stay there till there bless is over. keep atking with Flying Draong to lower HP and disable the Crystal Wall when u think HP is low. Phamton+E+Storm cloud usually does the trick...having shield bash would be better imo.

overall they are very good, specially on job/fort

That's the thing, you are supposed to run away, cast DoTs, and run FARTHER away so that you can annoy the person sitting there in ice wall. Sooner or later they will cancel it and you can spam stun/sleep. It can be a waiting game If bless spell is casted and it's possible to get close, the two warlock nukes still do damage, and the DoTs can still give bleed/dull through the ice wall. But otherwise it's not practical at all to fight against an ice waller so it's best for a warlock to leave the area and wait for them to come out of their shell