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A friend of mine said during FW some players uses tele + sprint combo.

I think, the idea was to catch enemies running away asap using the tele + sprint combo.

Is it really that usefull or just a waste?

it can be use full dependin on lv of the skills

What do you mean by teleport?

BladeSkillz wrote:What do you mean by teleport?

A wizard skill that works the same way as phantom walk

I use teleport all the time, it makes you move fast and catch someone who is running, it also helps you get away

i like teleporting backwards then throwing a fire blow

anyways since teleport doesnt make a trail, they dont know where you are heading and well, and when they see you appear farther from you, they'll phantom into the blow and ugh... die if they are same lvl as you

Wizard / warrior?

Or wizard just for teleport?

idk, might work. Would be pretty cool looking.

Wait, you don't need a wizard staff equipped to use teleport?

BladeSkillz wrote:Wait, you don't need a wizard staff equipped to use teleport?

Nope ^_^

IMO, no will will go with warrior/wizard all the way, it would be useless to have a sub wizard just for the teleport, and for nuking it would be worthless since warrio is a str build. It would be more worth while and more efficient and effective if you use a bard sub instead of the teleport, and that way "by using moving/swing march" the warrior would be able to sprint assult much faster, and even if he/she is running away from or chasing someone..

sounds like a waist of a tree

Lol, this build seems like a complete waste of sps.

haha ya this builds retarded. lets max wiz for teleport. might as well go bard to run faster then sprint assault. or else pull out your harp or cleric rod to holding clamour or heavens glare them so they cant run then sprint assault.

Most of the warriors need to switch to LA or robes.... which gives them extra mag def against wing tribes and other mag dmg mobs. (pvp too)
So, some of these warriors wanted to stay pure all the way but they are in need of switching to robes, therefore, they pick sub wizard, only for the robes, and get only one usefull skill from the wizards - teleport, which helps them a lot.
Plus, they don't spend SO many Skill Points.

why not sub cleric or bard then? cleric allows for robe and light armor and bard allows for robe. and imo they both provide alot better skills, cleric has holy word, bless, recovery division and res which can be helpful in jobbing or wars, while bard has noise (being a warrior not too useful) but also moving march. so wouldnt either of these be alot more useful

wizard's kb,fear,mana drougt,invisible,bind,teleport are all good...
i mean if its wizard or bard, wizard actually offers more lol

bard, speed+noise+mana cycle
wizard listed above

unless you pt and use tambours+dance, bard only offers 2 or 3 things

Kathyryn wrote:A friend of mine said during FW some players uses tele + sprint combo.

I think, the idea was to catch enemies running away asap using the tele + sprint combo.

Is it really that usefull or just a waste?

a waste, warriors are full str, have sub wiz for only teleport is a waste cuz the wiz nukes are gonna be weak. warrior should go sub warlock or sub cleric, sub bard only for lvl fast imo

Sub aren't everything you know. Choose a sub you're gonna use.
Need healing? Get a cleric in a party.
Need speed? Bard in the party.

Teleport is, IMO, very useful for someone who wants to be JUST a warrior without too many perks. It is possible to be a VERY strong warrior WITHOUT a subclass, especially if you use your pots efficiently. Go check out Asyamura's videos and you'll see what I mean.

any euro with no sub sucks, a warrior/no sub in pvp is even more easy to kill than a wiz. what a warrior/wizard do in pvp?...teleport to run away?

carnage wrote:any euro with no sub sucks, a warrior/no sub in pvp is even more easy to kill than a wiz. what a warrior/wizard do in pvp?...teleport to run away?

No, a warrior with no sub in PvP only sucks if they don't know what they're doing. Just because you have skins doesn't mean you need to activate them immediately. Just because Vital Increase decreases your damage doesn't mean you can't kill. You can still do a crapload of damage.

I think you ought to study your own build more.

carnage wrote:any euro with no sub sucks, a warrior/no sub in pvp is even more easy to kill than a wiz. what a warrior/wizard do in pvp?...teleport to run away?

Actually warrior is the build that works better without a sub mastery, and yeah, this warrior/wizard build fails.

i know what my build can and cannot do, im just saying that is obvious that a build with sub mastery is better than one with no sub.

a warrior any kind(1h,2h,DA) with no sub vs my build or any build with sub and that know how play lose fast cuz they dont got any buff that help them

for example me vs a warrior:
stun, debuff,trap+sleep change to 2h, daredevil, KD, change to 1h and cunning stab, what the other did? he dont even have time to cast skins or vital cuz is stunned, in the ground or sleep

and yes warrior with no sub maybe can beat some chineses but vs a euro build lose, nothing more to say

carnage wrote:i know what my build can and cannot do, im just saying that is obvious that a builod with sub mastery is better than one with no sub.

a warrior any kind(1h,2h,DA) with no sub vs my build or any build with sub and that know how play lose fast cuz they dont got any buff that help them

for example me vs a warrior:
stun, debuff,trap+sleep change to 2h, daredevil, KD, change to 1h and cunning stab, what the other did? he dont even have time to cast skins or vital cuz is stunned, in the ground or sleep

and yes warrior with no sub maybe can beat some chineses but vs a euro build lose, nothing more to say

We all know a build with sub is better than other without one, there is no explanation needed
Would you mind read again what i said? thank you

NobleHunter wrote:We all know a build with sub is better than other without one, there is no explanation needed
Would you mind read again what i said? thank you

that was a answer to Necrobat not to you, i agree in what u said before<.<

carnage wrote:i know what my build can and cannot do, im just saying that is obvious that a build with sub mastery is better than one with no sub.

a warrior any kind(1h,2h,DA) with no sub vs my build or any build with sub and that know how play lose fast cuz they dont got any buff that help them

for example me vs a warrior:
stun, debuff,trap+sleep change to 2h, daredevil, KD, change to 1h and cunning stab, what the other did? he dont even have time to cast skins or vital cuz is stunned, in the ground or sleep

and yes warrior with no sub maybe can beat some chineses but vs a euro build lose, nothing more to say

You're going on a perfect scenario and are not counting in other factors.

What if they have stun blues on their gear? You've wasted time casting. If they're DA, well, debuffs won't due much thanks to their status avoidance skill. Trap and sleep don't like to stick to people either.

Now, while you were TRYING to do that, the warrior has used Sprint Assault on you, stunned you, and then combos you to hell, constantly keeping sprint assault up to keep you stunned. Coin goes both ways.

um... the original thing with fw...

well i think teleporting is good for pt playing...
i mean warriors dont have time to be using subs in pts... and if they had warlock, they dont have mp to keep up debuffing a pt of people

teleporting though can be used without switching weapons so if mob/person is attacking your int you can sprint/teleport to catch it, sprint only works so far so combine it with teleport and you can cover twice distance without running

Necrobat wrote:You're going on a perfect scenario and are not counting in other factors.

What if they have stun blues on their gear? You've wasted time casting. If they're DA, well, debuffs won't due much thanks to their status avoidance skill. Trap and sleep don't like to stick to people either.

Now, while you were TRYING to do that, the warrior has used Sprint Assault on you, stunned you, and then combos you to hell, constantly keeping sprint assault up to keep you stunned. Coin goes both ways.

well the DA is a problen cuz the pasive ,but these pasive to prevent of bad status is not perfect, is not like holy word, if i debuff him with desease my debuff are going to work for sure most of them. well i have spring assault too(and these skill is not a sure stun, advanced reflect, KB, sleep), what i said before aboit warrior warlock vs a warrior/no sub was just a example. this is a nosense discution the point of all is that u said that

''a warrior with no sub in PvP only sucks if they don't know what they're doing.''

face a warrior/no sub vs the same kind of warrior/cleric , who u think is going to win..

carnage wrote:

Necrobat wrote:You're going on a perfect scenario and are not counting in other factors.

What if they have stun blues on their gear? You've wasted time casting. If they're DA, well, debuffs won't due much thanks to their status avoidance skill. Trap and sleep don't like to stick to people either.

Now, while you were TRYING to do that, the warrior has used Sprint Assault on you, stunned you, and then combos you to hell, constantly keeping sprint assault up to keep you stunned. Coin goes both ways.

well the DA is a problen cuz the pasive ,but these pasive to prevent of bad status is not perfect, is not like holy word, is i give him desease my debuff are going to work for sure most of them. well i have spring assault too(and these skill is not a sure stun, advanced reflect, KB, sleep), what i said before aboit warrior warlock vs a warrior/no sub was just a example. this is a nosense discution the point of all is that u said that

''a warrior with no sub in PvP only sucks if they don't know what they're doing.''

face a warrior/no sub vs the same kind of warrior/cleric , who u think is going to win..

It still then depends upon the skill, reflexes and thinking of the player on both sides. Either side can win as easily as the other.

it depend of the players but, lets say boths are good players that know how use their builds, the one with no sub lose easy becose the other have a sub that help,in this case sub cleric, recovery division, bless, holy word, healing cycle.. man just forget it, im just trying to explain u that a build with sub mastery>a build with no sub. i think anyone know that, i dont know why u discuss it <.<

Because there is a difference between knowing what your build can do and memorising it, and being able to make do and push it to its limit. You're not thinking outside the box, you're using perfected scenarios based on what you've seen, not on what something can really do.