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Beeh Force wasnt good i heird and i saw now i need to choose between Heuksal Or bicheon help me please xD

please give a reason

Pure force isnt good? Duuuuuuuuuuuuuude viewtopic.php?f=4&t=86128
But if you won't choose pure force I would say Bicheon cause' of knockdown and the block ability.

Bitcheon, lawl. And you can choose two options, fail!

i think pure int spear nukers will suck at 90 cap

Ploxy wrote:i think pure int spear nukers will suck at 90 cap

you think?
it would help if you explain why...

alcoholic wrote:

Ploxy wrote:i think pure int spear nukers will suck at 90 cap

you think?
it would help if you explain why...

Indeed.

i have a pure int spear and i have to say it owns, its the best character i have ever had.

pure int nukers...
www.viewtopic.php?f=4&t=86128

explain!!!! xD

Ploxy wrote:i think pure int spear nukers will suck at 90 cap

Nah, they will be good in the same way that a Euro wizard is good. They are killing machines, but they fall over and die if you look at them in a mean way. Good in PvP? Not really, because it's all about who hits first, so it's not so much about strategy. Good in parties? You bet.

Libertarian wrote:

Ploxy wrote:i think pure int spear nukers will suck at 90 cap

Nah, they will be good in the same way that a Euro wizard is good. They are killing machines, but they fall over and die if you look at them in a mean way. Good in PvP? Not really, because it's all about who hits first, so it's not so much about strategy. Good in parties? You bet.

Have you ever heard of Snow Shield? I'll break it down to you. Lets say a Pure INT Light/Ice S/S lvl 80 char with 60 Heuksal for the Hp passive has 10.1k hp and 50% snow shield.. basically that means he has 20.2k hp..while he actually doesn't and still deals the same damage.

Explain comon guys i only see votes for Bicheon but why Bicheon
I know they got stun at lvl 100 in the chains

When it comes to pure int builds imo I would say s/s because you have the extra difference from shield and the chances to block. But watching spear nukers I have to say that the damage is crazy high of course they have the hp passive, but what the lack in def. they gain in power. So it really comes down to your personal choice. I like the both alot but more def. ftw

why not spear than?

Rozelady wrote:why not spear than?

O.K. just to clear this up. When these posters said Hueskal, they meant with spear. I don't know a spear/nuker that fights with a glaive. If you do, you beat a spear nuker.

I am a level 71 spear/nuker and I de-leveled from s/s. Sure the knockdown is cool and the added blocking, but let a spear nuker get off on the right foot with snow shield, along with added hit points from Hueskal passive and BOOM BABY!!! So that's a total of an extra pool of hit points from Hueskal passive and mp points used as hit points. It's all in your own preference and play style. It's also a bit cheaper going spear. Only have to worry about upgrading/purchasing and repairing one weapon instead of two.

LockStar. wrote:

Libertarian wrote:

Ploxy wrote:i think pure int spear nukers will suck at 90 cap

Nah, they will be good in the same way that a Euro wizard is good. They are killing machines, but they fall over and die if you look at them in a mean way. Good in PvP? Not really, because it's all about who hits first, so it's not so much about strategy. Good in parties? You bet.

Have you ever heard of Snow Shield? I'll break it down to you. Lets say a Pure INT Light/Ice S/S lvl 80 char with 60 Heuksal for the Hp passive has 10.1k hp and 50% snow shield.. basically that means he has 20.2k hp..while he actually doesn't and still deals the same damage.

True, but then you have to invest heavily in Cold, and how many nukers want to do that? Then you'll either have to sacrifice Fire (the most damage-dealing nuke) or Heuksal/Bicheon.

thx thats some info i like

k i go for s/s thnx all or is this the wrong choise =P

Libertarian wrote:True, but then you have to invest heavily in Cold, and how many nukers want to do that? Then you'll either have to sacrifice Fire (the most damage-dealing nuke) or Heuksal/Bicheon.

Every pure INT build with Weapon tree will be with Maxed Cold and Light.. unless the guy is trying some stupid stuff. Such as: ' I will be 90 Bicheon, 90 Fire, 90 Ice and 30 Light on a Pure INT char and use 20% dmg scrolls to make up for the mag dmg loss'

they both have they're goods and bads.... spear is more damage but less def, but the heuskal skill gives you more hp. sword is less damage more def. and you have block. whatever you chose. i chose spear because its bad def can be countered with good gear and good skills.

go bicheon(80/90) with light(80/90) imbue and ice (80/90)that is all u need for good pvp and pve

brentonsbbe359 wrote:they both have they're goods and bads.... spear is more damage but less def, but the heuskal skill gives you more hp. sword is less damage more def. and you have block. whatever you chose. i chose spear because its bad def can be countered with good gear and good skills.

Don't forget to mention.. Spear has higher Damage per second also knows as Dps.

they both are good and yea spear does have the higher magic attack but the shield from s/s nuker helps a lot too.

chose which ever one you want. i tried bicheon nuker once...and got all the chains, kd, kb..but always had a spear with me for pure nuking while grinding

I think that bicheon is better for later caps. At 130 you have to go 130 Light 130 Bicheon and 40 Cold you will only have 30% Snow Shield which makes you shield dependent. Spear users have to go 130 Spear and 130 Cold if they want to be good in pvp but they will do much lower damage without Light imbue, Piercing Series and very weak nukes.

Dancin wrote:I think that bicheon is better for later caps. At 130 you have to go 130 Light 130 Bicheon and 40 Cold you will only have 30% Snow Shield which makes you shield dependent. Spear users have to go 130 Spear and 130 Cold if they want to be good in pvp but they will do much lower damage without Light imbue, Piercing Series and very weak nukes.

why are you talking bout 130 cap?

GAME IS BALANCED!
Bicheon:
Less Damage
Bettter Defence

Hueskal:
More damage
Less Defence

This applys for Pure Int and Pure str.

im pure int s/s and loving every second of it

and all Fire Cold Light Without Weapons tree also good?

__ViRuS__ wrote:well im gonna make a spear but pure int spear is bad (thats my opinion)
i think bicheon gonna be better cuz u will have more def and ur nukes give more atk
so spear is gonna be better for hybird

i wish i said
the true

hehe thnx for info i didnt know that Bicheon gives nukers more damage how u think about all forces light fire cold?

Rozelady wrote:

__ViRuS__ wrote:well im gonna make a spear but pure int spear is bad (thats my opinion)
i think bicheon gonna be better cuz u will have more def and ur nukes give more atk
so spear is gonna be better for hybird

i wish i said
the true

hehe thnx for info i didnt know that Bicheon gives nukers more damage how u think about all forces light fire cold?

sword has less dmg than a spear
only if u can get bleed with impotent or div, den ur nuke will deal more dmg than spear

and it is not that easy to get those 2 status out of 6 chain

90 bicheon has quadruple stab, heusk no new skills, depends on ur liking