Warlock or Dual Axe?

[JustAGuy]

I have a lvl 29 Dual Axe warrior on Venus, and i have a lvl 28 warlock on Hercules, but I'v decided that im staying on Venus. Dual Axe is pretty good i guess, but they say it sucks at later levels. I logged on to my warlock today and it reminded me how fun warlocks are. I don't see many parties that want a warlock though. So should i continue on my Dual Axe character or start a new Warlock?

[Elise]

Dual axe does not suck at higher levels. But if you enjoy playing a warlock, just start one on Venus. It wont take that long to reach lvl 3x.

[SuperTanker]

lol there is nothing u gotta worry about. if u think DA sucks at higher lvls, then just delvl ur DA skills, and add points into either 1h or 2h . BTW getting a warlock to 20 shouldnt take u more than 3 days of playing 2-3 hours .

[Da_Realest]

Go Dual Axe. It seems to be the hybrid of the Warrior class. You don't have the great tanking ability of a 1hd sword user and you don't have the great power of a 2hd sword user. However, you'll also be more unique and look cool at that the same time. Everyone seems to be going Warlock so I don't see any reason to be a Warlock. I've played both a Warlock and Dual Axe and I had equal amounts of fun with each. Warlock = grinding fast. Dual Axe = looking good while grinding. You can't go wrong with either one.

[William-CL]

Go warrior/warlock IMO.

[Scranton]

Go Dual Axe. It seems to be the hybrid of the Warrior class. You don't have the great tanking ability of a 1hd sword user and you don't have the great power of a 2hd sword user. However, you'll also be more unique and look cool at that the same time. Everyone seems to be going Warlock so I don't see any reason to be a Warlock. I've played both a Warlock and Dual Axe and I had equal amounts of fun with each. Warlock = grinding fast. Dual Axe = looking good while grinding. You can't go wrong with either one.

Yes, because as long as you look cool when you grind, that's all that matters. In fact, you'll even look cool when you die.

[Da_Realest]

Go Dual Axe. It seems to be the hybrid of the Warrior class. You don't have the great tanking ability of a 1hd sword user and you don't have the great power of a 2hd sword user. However, you'll also be more unique and look cool at that the same time. Everyone seems to be going Warlock so I don't see any reason to be a Warlock. I've played both a Warlock and Dual Axe and I had equal amounts of fun with each. Warlock = grinding fast. Dual Axe = looking good while grinding. You can't go wrong with either one.

Yes, because as long as you look cool when you grind, that's all that matters. In fact, you'll even look cool when you die.

Read again. I mention more than looking good. The other attributes of Dual Axe are implied. Well, I did say hybrid... Anyway, I've made a Dual Axe and did fairly well. Just because you seem to have failed doesn't mean others will as well.

Its all about having fun. I don't wanna grind a build all the way to the cap just because it seems great but isn't any fun.

[DaZzY]

Warlock owns.

[Scranton]

Ok let me read again...

Go Dual Axe. It seems to be the hybrid of the Warrior class. You don't have the great tanking ability of a 1hd sword user and you don't have the great power of a 2hd sword user. However, you'll also be more unique and look cool at that the same time. Everyone seems to be going Warlock so I don't see any reason to be a Warlock. I've played both a Warlock and Dual Axe and I had equal amounts of fun with each. Warlock = grinding fast. Dual Axe = looking good while grinding. You can't go wrong with either one.

You're saying, even though you don't have the great tanking ability of a 1hd sword user and you don't have the great power of a 2hd sword user, it's ok because you look unique and cool.

Also, you say Warlock - grinding fast, and Dual Axe = looking good while grinding.

Read again. I mention more than looking good. The other attributes of Dual Axe are implied. Well, I did say hybrid... Anyway, I've made a Dual Axe and did fairly well. Just because you seem to have failed doesn't mean others will as well.

Its all about having fun. I don't wanna grind a build all the way to the cap just because it seems great but isn't any fun.[/color]

I haven't made a dual axe warrior yet. I think it's because it'll be all too flashy/fancy when I go to grind. Probably will make me lose my concentration

[Da_Realest]

Ok let me read again...

Go Dual Axe. It seems to be the hybrid of the Warrior class. You don't have the great tanking ability of a 1hd sword user and you don't have the great power of a 2hd sword user. However, you'll also be more unique and look cool at that the same time. Everyone seems to be going Warlock so I don't see any reason to be a Warlock. I've played both a Warlock and Dual Axe and I had equal amounts of fun with each. Warlock = grinding fast. Dual Axe = looking good while grinding. You can't go wrong with either one.

You're saying, even though you don't have the great tanking ability of a 1hd sword user and you don't have the great power of a 2hd sword user, it's ok because you look unique and cool.

Also, you say Warlock - grinding fast, and Dual Axe = looking good while grinding.

Read again. I mention more than looking good. The other attributes of Dual Axe are implied. Well, I did say hybrid... Anyway, I've made a Dual Axe and did fairly well. Just because you seem to have failed doesn't mean others will as well.

Its all about having fun. I don't wanna grind a build all the way to the cap just because it seems great but isn't any fun.[/color]

I haven't made a dual axe warrior yet. I think it's because it'll be all too flashy/fancy when I go to grind. Probably will make me lose my concentration

I assumed that one would use deductive reasoning to conclude that Dual Axe is mediocre at tanking and giving damage based on me calling the build a hybrid and stating the main advantages the other warrior builds have over it. I only put emphasis on looking good because thats seems to be a big contributing factor to how much fun someone has while playing the game. Why else would people use pk2 to input high level skills animations, premium apparel, and higher degree gear?

Too flashy? I thought the flashiness would keep someone interested.

[ahmedsabry]

its all about what u have fun playing.. both warriors and locks are great builds (i prefer 2H/1H though). so just play what u like most and u should be fine

[Bounzzer]

I still dont get why you want to make a chooice between these 2 builds...?
Just take them both!! warrior/warlock is a great build.

[shabowsdawn]

dual axe/warlock is insane i had one and could kill many people and my warlock was at 17 as i was at 32 :p wounder if if this video will help your mind http://youtube.com/watch?v=9SU_d6MtBB0

[ahmedsabry]

actually playing warlock as a sub is diffrent from playing it as the main mastery.. u know dots and stuff VS debuffs and stuff.. warrior /warlock IS a fantastic build though

[noobert mclagg]

I would go warlock, it is so fun and takes some skill to use in pvp/pve.

[raphaell666]

Da_Realest is completely right, but he forgot to mention that using dual axe you will have a sort of a strong natural defense against bad statuses, and that helps a lot (especially against warlocks). I would say that I would prefer dual axe over warlock. In fact, as far as I know a dual axe warrior/warlock is a really strong build (if you want to take both, because I would prefer dual axe/cleric).

Also, I dont think you will ever need either 1h or 2h skills, you will survive and kill pretty well without those, thats the good point about DA. I really doubt that DA will ever suck.

Note: As far as I know, a DA warrior will most probably win against a warlock (normal conditions).

[ShadoMagican]

I would go warlock. You should go Warlock/Wizard. Debuff your opponent and nuke till they die. It's really fun.

[SunDark]

i recommanded u go pure str warrior/warlock s/s

[ahmedsabry]

Note: As far as I know, a DA warrior will most probably win against a warlock (normal conditions).

very untrue.. warlock as a main mastery , with a wizard or cleric sub can kill almost any other class in the game by the "stun-debuff-kill" thingy..
using cleric's "pure offering" on a debuffed opponent does a minimum of 30k+ damage

[shabowsdawn]

Note: As far as I know, a DA warrior will most probably win against a warlock (normal conditions).

very untrue.. warlock as a main mastery , with a wizard or cleric sub can kill almost any other class in the game by the "stun-debuff-kill" thingy..
using cleric's "pure offering" on a debuffed opponent does a minimum of 30k+ damage

well the das effect passive really helps like the anoying chinese who freeze euros all the time with da you get out of that real easy and stuff

[raphaell666]

very untrue.. warlock as a main mastery , with a wizard or cleric sub can kill almost any other class in the game by the "stun-debuff-kill" thingy..
using cleric's "pure offering" on a debuffed opponent does a minimum of 30k+ damage

I'm not completely sure about this, so lets just debate. Here is what I thought when saying that:

I'm talking about warlock with no subclasses and dual axe with no subclasses.

Let me think: The warlock will not be likely to be able to debuff the dual axe, and I'm not sure, but I think that with cleric as sub the dual axe will be completely undebuffable, or would it be impossible to debuff already with the dual axe passive? And the dual axe would probably use mana shield. I dont know what are the tanking abilities of warlock using sucking life skills, but I presume it wouldnt be much, am I wrong? Anyways the dual axe will prolly stun the warlock, and then there will be nothing the warlock can do about it. If the warlock stuns the warrior he will not die, because he will prolly have the mana shield on. Even if nobody is never stunned, I still think that the dual axe will more easily kill the warlock (the warrior will be with mana shield).

Well, I admit that these assumptions are way too superficial, a lot of things could vary, and subclasses would change a lot this matter. Anyways, it was a thoughtless decision of mine.

About the subclasses: a lot of combinations can be deadly. And that happens with mostly all classes. But I doubt a warlock will be able to kill a good player with either sub or main class cleric. Anyways, warlocks can easily kill all chineses, and most of the euros too. So I understand your point.

Also, at an upcoming update it looks like there will be new blues on accessories in which you will be able to resist warlock debuffs, so things are probably going to change.

[noobert mclagg]

very untrue.. warlock as a main mastery , with a wizard or cleric sub can kill almost any other class in the game by the "stun-debuff-kill" thingy..
using cleric's "pure offering" on a debuffed opponent does a minimum of 30k+ damage

I'm not completely sure about this, so lets just debate. Here is what I thought when saying that:

I'm talking about warlock with no subclasses and dual axe with no subclasses.

Let me think: The warlock will not be likely to be able to debuff the dual axe, and I'm not sure, but I think that with cleric as sub the dual axe will be completely undebuffable, or would it be impossible to debuff already with the dual axe passive? And the dual axe would probably use mana shield. I dont know what are the tanking abilities of warlock using sucking life skills, but I presume it wouldnt be much, am I wrong? Anyways the dual axe will prolly stun the warlock, and then there will be nothing the warlock can do about it. If the warlock stuns the warrior he will not die, because he will prolly have the mana shield on. Even if nobody is never stunned, I still think that the dual axe will more easily kill the warlock (the warrior will be with mana shield).

Well, I admit that these assumptions are way too superficial, a lot of things could vary, and subclasses would change a lot this matter. Anyways, it was a thoughtless decision of mine.

About the subclasses: a lot of combinations can be deadly. And that happens with mostly all classes. But I doubt a warlock will be able to kill a good player with either sub or main class cleric. Anyways, warlocks can easily kill all chineses, and most of the euros too. So I understand your point.

Also, at an upcoming update it looks like there will be new blues on accessories in which you will be able to resist warlock debuffs, so things are probably going to change.

Warlock could still debuff cause with vampire skills disease it makes ur debuffs almost never fail and it raises them up to its lvl. Holy word protects up to lvl 8 curses and disease goes up to lvl 9, so all of ur debuffs would be lvl 9. With the debuffs on mana skin would be pretty much disregarded and they would lower DA already low attack power. Also, warlock has an 80% chance to stun when DA only has a 50% chance and even if warlocks stun fails he can always use sleep. warlock also has a shield so unless it completely sucks u will prolly get at least 1 block. Finally, warlock has many skills that do absolute damage so DA defensive capabilities would be negated.

[CLOT]

axe, 1h/warlock

combines the coolest looking skills in sro warlock and axe

[raphaell666]

Warlock could still debuff cause with vampire skills disease it makes ur debuffs almost never fail and it raises them up to its lvl. Holy word protects up to lvl 8 curses and disease goes up to lvl 9, so all of ur debuffs would be lvl 9. With the debuffs on mana skin would be pretty much disregarded and they would lower DA already low attack power. Also, warlock has an 80% chance to stun when DA only has a 50% chance and even if warlocks stun fails he can always use sleep. warlock also has a shield so unless it completely sucks u will prolly get at least 1 block. Finally, warlock has many skills that do absolute damage so DA defensive capabilities would be negated.

So holy word is completely useless if you are fighting someone of your level.. Are you sure about this? Are you sure that disease raises the debuffs to its lvl ignoring your enemy holy word?

EDIT:
@CLOT
+1, and it will be very strong.

[Advancechao]

very untrue.. warlock as a main mastery , with a wizard or cleric sub can kill almost any other class in the game by the "stun-debuff-kill" thingy..
using cleric's "pure offering" on a debuffed opponent does a minimum of 30k+ damage

I'm not completely sure about this, so lets just debate. Here is what I thought when saying that:

I'm talking about warlock with no subclasses and dual axe with no subclasses.

Let me think: The warlock will not be likely to be able to debuff the dual axe, and I'm not sure, but I think that with cleric as sub the dual axe will be completely undebuffable, or would it be impossible to debuff already with the dual axe passive? And the dual axe would probably use mana shield. I dont know what are the tanking abilities of warlock using sucking life skills, but I presume it wouldnt be much, am I wrong? Anyways the dual axe will prolly stun the warlock, and then there will be nothing the warlock can do about it. If the warlock stuns the warrior he will not die, because he will prolly have the mana shield on. Even if nobody is never stunned, I still think that the dual axe will more easily kill the warlock (the warrior will be with mana shield).

Well, I admit that these assumptions are way too superficial, a lot of things could vary, and subclasses would change a lot this matter. Anyways, it was a thoughtless decision of mine.

About the subclasses: a lot of combinations can be deadly. And that happens with mostly all classes. But I doubt a warlock will be able to kill a good player with either sub or main class cleric. Anyways, warlocks can easily kill all chineses, and most of the euros too. So I understand your point.

Also, at an upcoming update it looks like there will be new blues on accessories in which you will be able to resist warlock debuffs, so things are probably going to change.

Warlock could still debuff cause with vampire skills disease it makes ur debuffs almost never fail and it raises them up to its lvl. Holy word protects up to lvl 8 curses and disease goes up to lvl 9, so all of ur debuffs would be lvl 9. With the debuffs on mana skin would be pretty much disregarded and they would lower DA already low attack power. Also, warlock has an 80% chance to stun when DA only has a 50% chance and even if warlocks stun fails he can always use sleep. warlock also has a shield so unless it completely sucks u will prolly get at least 1 block. Finally, warlock has many skills that do absolute damage so DA defensive capabilities would be negated.

Sorry Noobert, debuffs don't quite work like that. Holy Spell defends against any level 8 status, like you said. However, Disease status does not make all the other statuses level 9. As a result, you would still get Resists for everything except Wheel Bind. If you fight someone who has Holy Spell, the only thing you can do is Vampire Touch for disease, stun, Wheel Bind, and DoT, and it is probably enough to kill your opponent as long as you have two stun skills after 76. If you aren't at 76 yet, you can only rely on blocks or stun to win, because sleep will not work either.

[raphaell666]

Sorry Noobert, debuffs don't quite work like that. Holy Spell defends against any level 8 status, like you said. However, Disease status does not make all the other statuses level 9. As a result, you would still get Resists for everything except Wheel Bind. If you fight someone who has Holy Spell, the only thing you can do is Vampire Touch for disease, stun, Wheel Bind, and DoT, and it is probably enough to kill your opponent as long as you have two stun skills after 76. If you aren't at 76 yet, you can only rely on blocks or stun to win, because sleep will not work either.

Wait, sleep will not work? I thought it was a status of the same kind as stun... That is strange for me, though it sort of makes sense.

[CLOT]

Note: As far as I know, a DA warrior will most probably win against a warlock (normal conditions).

very untrue.. warlock as a main mastery , with a wizard or cleric sub can kill almost any other class in the game by the "stun-debuff-kill" thingy..
using cleric's "pure offering" on a debuffed opponent does a minimum of 30k+ damage

i dun understand why ppl keep saying cleric offering...yea its 900+% and wow wooo and pwn any build @ same level, but its not supposed to be a normal attack skill like wiz meteor...
its like a last resort skill and u cant spam it like a normal attack skill, cd is like damn long, u cant depend on it to kill off ur enemy

unless of coz in pvp where everything is fair, u can say "ok wait, my offering is still cd, wait for it to cd fin"