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Posted: **Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:39 am**

i want a new build and was wondering if 2h/cleric is any good. the questions i have are:
-is it good at griding solo and in party?
-and is it good at power lvling?

NOTE: I am only doing either 2h or 1h...plz tell me which wep choice would be better for p lvling.

Posted: **Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:52 am**

2nd worst/useless in parties cause of constant kd and kb but they can still tank a little

Posted: **Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:26 pm**

Grinding solo: I would say about 2/5. Better than 1H and Dual Axe w/o bard sub, but worse than most other classes.

Party Grinding: You're a tanker, but 1H or DA can do it better. Knockdown is not useful in party grinding, except for few circumstances. I would rate it 3/5.

Powerleveling: well, if you powerlevel at low level mobs ( i.e ongs ) then 1/5. You move slow, dont have AOE attacks, etc. At higher mobs ( 70 up ) you're still bad, but since you can tank and have good damage, it's a 2/5.

PVP ( wonder why you dont mention it ): A superb build. Good tanking with skins and bless spell, and nice damage with regular crits. 4.5/5 IMHO.

Posted: **Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:02 pm**

lol at above ... I guess you never played 2h/cleric?
Who cares about powerlvling? Its wizards job ... In party play its good as dual axes ... if you have KD skill that doesnt mean you NEED to use it ... For tanking your weapon doesnt even matter ... you can have lv.1 shield trash , equip lv.1 sword and (your level shield) and tank like fully farmed 1h/shield (except double shield bash).... About soloing ... its just 1 hitting everything with maddening , it can tank pretty good even party giants (if you get healing cycle you're unstoppable) ... Awesome build ... But you'll lack of speed somethimes , but 100k for 30 minutes of speed aint high price to pay ...

Posted: **Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:46 pm**

MysticRose wrote:Grinding solo: I would say about 2/5. Better than 1H and Dual Axe w/o bard sub, but worse than most other classes.

Party Grinding: You're a tanker, but 1H or DA can do it better. Knockdown is not useful in party grinding, except for few circumstances. I would rate it 3/5.

Powerleveling: well, if you powerlevel at low level mobs ( i.e ongs ) then 1/5. You move slow, dont have AOE attacks, etc. At higher mobs ( 70 up ) you're still bad, but since you can tank and have good damage, it's a 2/5.

PVP ( wonder why you dont mention it ): A superb build. Good tanking with skins and bless spell, and nice damage with regular crits. 4.5/5 IMHO.

you defenetly never played 2H/cleric...LOL

Let me answer these questions.

-is it good at griding solo and in party?
*Yes it is good (enough) at solo grinding.
First of all I solo(hand)grinded my 2h/cleric all the way couse there is no decent party to find at pacific...but anyways due to the nice damage and good crits combinated with recovery division your well capable off sologrinding mobs your own lvl.
Means yes on your first question.

-is it good at griding solo and in party?
*Yes it is good (enough(again :roll:

)) at party grinding.
Allthough a 1h warrior or even a duel axer has better defense you can tank well.
Your job as a warrion in a party is to aggro the mobs and tank them.
The cleric is healing you while the wizard/roques are killing.
The only think you have to keep in mind is not to knockdown the mob, wich means you have 4 skills left to attack (5 at lvl 80) (sprint assault is also counted as 1).
Conclusion 2h warrior is well capable of tanking the blocks you miss due not having a shield is just 1 heal more for the cleric...so...NP

-and is it good at power lvling?
*Sure why not, they deal good damage and they do have aoe attacks -> bash and maddening hit muliple target in front of you
The only con with power farming and solo grinding is that they are walking so terrible slow, so moving speeds scroll or drug is needed wich gonna cost you.

So these are the right answers on your question based from ingame experience.

I will like to add that 2h warrior/cleric owns in pvp

Very nice damage high crits nice amount of hp.
With skins on..... your just 45 sec a non dieing killing machine

Hope I helped!

Posted: **Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:22 pm**

no and no.

hybrid clerics suck.
do full int with clerics
i have a lvl 33 cleric and everytime i'm doing a full pt on ongs i run out of mp >< and i'm full int...

do full int clerics.

Posted: **Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:44 pm**

brentonsbbe359 wrote:no and no.

hybrid clerics suck.
do full int with clerics
i have a lvl 33 cleric and everytime i'm doing a full pt on ongs i run out of mp >< and i'm full int...

do full int clerics.

uhhmmmm....wrong topic??? we are not talking about hybrid cleric or full int clerics...

We are talking about 2handed warrior / cleric
Means full str with cleric as subrace :roll:

Posted: **Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:48 pm**

Bounzzer wrote:
brentonsbbe359 wrote:no and no.

hybrid clerics suck.
do full int with clerics
i have a lvl 33 cleric and everytime i'm doing a full pt on ongs i run out of mp >< and i'm full int...

do full int clerics.

uhhmmmm....wrong topic??? we are not talking about hybrid cleric or full int clerics...

We are talking about 2handed warrior / cleric
Means full str with cleric as subrace

oh... sorry... my bad.... lol... i thought 2h = 2;1 hybrid???........ lol my bad.... xD

Posted: **Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:20 pm**

lol np

but to react on what you posted; european builds are either full str or full int

Posted: **Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:51 am**

Bounzzer wrote:
MysticRose wrote:Grinding solo: I would say about 2/5. Better than 1H and Dual Axe w/o bard sub, but worse than most other classes.

Party Grinding: You're a tanker, but 1H or DA can do it better. Knockdown is not useful in party grinding, except for few circumstances. I would rate it 3/5.

Powerleveling: well, if you powerlevel at low level mobs ( i.e ongs ) then 1/5. You move slow, dont have AOE attacks, etc. At higher mobs ( 70 up ) you're still bad, but since you can tank and have good damage, it's a 2/5.

PVP ( wonder why you dont mention it ): A superb build. Good tanking with skins and bless spell, and nice damage with regular crits. 4.5/5 IMHO.

you defenetly never played 2H/cleric...LOL

Let me answer these questions.

-is it good at griding solo and in party?
*Yes it is good (enough) at solo grinding.
First of all I solo(hand)grinded my 2h/cleric all the way couse there is no decent party to find at pacific...but anyways due to the nice damage and good crits combinated with recovery division your well capable off sologrinding mobs your own lvl.
Means yes on your first question.

-is it good at griding solo and in party?
*Yes it is good (enough(again )) at party grinding.
Allthough a 1h warrior or even a duel axer has better defense you can tank well.
Your job as a warrion in a party is to aggro the mobs and tank them.
The cleric is healing you while the wizard/roques are killing.
The only think you have to keep in mind is not to knockdown the mob, wich means you have 4 skills left to attack (5 at lvl 80) (sprint assault is also counted as 1).
Conclusion 2h warrior is well capable of tanking the blocks you miss due not having a shield is just 1 heal more for the cleric...so...NP

-and is it good at power lvling?
*Sure why not, they deal good damage and they do have aoe attacks -> bash and maddening hit muliple target in front of you
The only con with power farming and solo grinding is that they are walking so terrible slow, so moving speeds scroll or drug is needed wich gonna cost you.

So these are the right answers on your question based from ingame experience.

I will like to add that 2h warrior/cleric owns in pvp
Very nice damage high crits nice amount of hp.
With skins on..... your just 45 sec a non dieing killing machine

Hope I helped!

I beg to differ.

Solo: Wizards solo better than you. So does Rogue, Warlock. The above are just obvious. Even though they are not that good at tanking, they have nice damage, range, and good killing speed.
2H is "arguably" worse than a solo bard. Bard has ok damage, good range, good speed, super-fast cooldown speed, mob agro prevention, the ability to tank giants ( if bard has a pet ).
2H > Cleric, other warrior in Solo.

Of the 6 classes, they ranked at the 4th. Maybe my previous 2/5 WAS biased, i would not rate them any higher than 3/5.

Party grinding: In party grinding, warrior is meant to be the tank. And there are ONLY 3 tanks in the game: 2H, 1H or DA. 2H is ranked the WORST of them. Seriously, assume you are the party leader. If a 1H, DA and 2H wants to joint your party, who would you choose ? Obviously the 1H, then DA, then 2H. My rank of 3/5 is, as far as i understand, fair.

Powerlevel: 2H is STUPID at powerlevel. Who wants a 2H to powerlevel ? They have NO range, move slow, maybe they have AOE damage, but that's nothing. Wizards do 1000 times better job. So does Bard ( with their 8m and 12m non-target AOE, they could AFK and powerlevel the WHOLE DAY ). Warlocks, and Rogue are also better ( Rogue have good range, Warlocks can 1-Hit every mob lower level. Any china build beats 2H in term of powerleveling: Spear and sword and bow are just obviously better, Glavie have good speed and MANY AOE damage, Blade have Petal Sword Series.

TO Bounzzer: Please dont act so high n almighty. I dont want to flame in this thread, neither do i want to argue with you. But your attitude just pisses me off.

Posted: **Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:36 am**

MysticRose wrote:
Bounzzer wrote:
MysticRose wrote:Grinding solo: I would say about 2/5. Better than 1H and Dual Axe w/o bard sub, but worse than most other classes.

Party Grinding: You're a tanker, but 1H or DA can do it better. Knockdown is not useful in party grinding, except for few circumstances. I would rate it 3/5.

Powerleveling: well, if you powerlevel at low level mobs ( i.e ongs ) then 1/5. You move slow, dont have AOE attacks, etc. At higher mobs ( 70 up ) you're still bad, but since you can tank and have good damage, it's a 2/5.

PVP ( wonder why you dont mention it ): A superb build. Good tanking with skins and bless spell, and nice damage with regular crits. 4.5/5 IMHO.

you defenetly never played 2H/cleric...LOL

Let me answer these questions.

-is it good at griding solo and in party?
*Yes it is good (enough) at solo grinding.
First of all I solo(hand)grinded my 2h/cleric all the way couse there is no decent party to find at pacific...but anyways due to the nice damage and good crits combinated with recovery division your well capable off sologrinding mobs your own lvl.
Means yes on your first question.

-is it good at griding solo and in party?
*Yes it is good (enough(again )) at party grinding.
Allthough a 1h warrior or even a duel axer has better defense you can tank well.
Your job as a warrion in a party is to aggro the mobs and tank them.
The cleric is healing you while the wizard/roques are killing.
The only think you have to keep in mind is not to knockdown the mob, wich means you have 4 skills left to attack (5 at lvl 80) (sprint assault is also counted as 1).
Conclusion 2h warrior is well capable of tanking the blocks you miss due not having a shield is just 1 heal more for the cleric...so...NP

-and is it good at power lvling?
*Sure why not, they deal good damage and they do have aoe attacks -> bash and maddening hit muliple target in front of you
The only con with power farming and solo grinding is that they are walking so terrible slow, so moving speeds scroll or drug is needed wich gonna cost you.

So these are the right answers on your question based from ingame experience.

I will like to add that 2h warrior/cleric owns in pvp
Very nice damage high crits nice amount of hp.
With skins on..... your just 45 sec a non dieing killing machine

Hope I helped!

I beg to differ.

Solo: Wizards solo better than you. So does Rogue, Warlock. The above are just obvious. Even though they are not that good at tanking, they have nice damage, range, and good killing speed.
2H is "arguably" worse than a solo bard. Bard has ok damage, good range, good speed, super-fast cooldown speed, mob agro prevention, the ability to tank giants ( if bard has a pet ).
2H > Cleric, other warrior in Solo.

Of the 6 classes, they ranked at the 4th. Maybe my previous 2/5 WAS biased, i would not rate them any higher than 3/5.

Party grinding: In party grinding, warrior is meant to be the tank. And there are ONLY 3 tanks in the game: 2H, 1H or DA. 2H is ranked the WORST of them. Seriously, assume you are the party leader. If a 1H, DA and 2H wants to joint your party, who would you choose ? Obviously the 1H, then DA, then 2H. My rank of 3/5 is, as far as i understand, fair.

Powerlevel: 2H is STUPID at powerlevel. Who wants a 2H to powerlevel ? They have NO range, move slow, maybe they have AOE damage, but that's nothing. Wizards do 1000 times better job. So does Bard ( with their 8m and 12m non-target AOE, they could AFK and powerlevel the WHOLE DAY ). Warlocks, and Rogue are also better ( Rogue have good range, Warlocks can 1-Hit every mob lower level. Any china build beats 2H in term of powerleveling: Spear and sword and bow are just obviously better, Glavie have good speed and MANY AOE damage, Blade have Petal Sword Series.

TO Bounzzer: Please dont act so high n almighty. I dont want to flame in this thread, neither do i want to argue with you. But your attitude just pisses me off.

I agree this forum is not ment to flame on each other, its is to help eachother and discuss about the thing being told here.
So if you dont want to argue just dont post.
But since your posting I can react on those post.
I noticed some wrong things about what you said mostly on the first post.
The post above (wich I react on) is already better althought still no totally fair.
Note that I'm not flaming, just doing my best to give the guy the right answers.

The question of revo333 was very easy; Is a 2handed warrior/cleric capable (good) in
-is it good at griding solo and in party?
-and is it good at power lvling?

Answer is yes he's able to do all.

Posted: **Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:07 pm**

MysticRose wrote:blah blah

Seriously have you ever player 2hs, and not only at low levels like under 40 or something, cause I really doubt you have?

This build is really good in soloing, with cleric as a sub there is no way you gonna die even training on higher level mobs, with maddening and good sword you can 1 hit your level mobs or maybe a bit lower, and having recovery division, those 10% hp you lose using that powerful skill gets recovered instantly almost.

Party play, I am almost 100% sure you can't even possibly notice the difference between 2hs and axes, that passive defense increase on axes is shit. Yes, 1hs is obviously better, cause block and more defense, but 2hs is as good as axes and with good cleric it doesn't matter.

About powerleveling part, so what it is not best here? Like why would you really wanna waste your time and powerlevel others? But as I understood you said even glaivers and bladers are better in powerleveling by meantioning their skills lol? Out of str chars they are 2nd best in powerleveling after rogues. You obviously have never played 2hs and don't know the damage they dish out.

And to poster, yes 2hs/cleric is really good build overall, and damn good in terms of pvp, and damage with crits is not only nice or OK or decent, it is huge.

Posted: **Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:05 pm**

MysticRose wrote:I beg to differ.

Solo: Wizards solo better than you. So does Rogue, Warlock. The above are just obvious. Even though they are not that good at tanking, they have nice damage, range, and good killing speed.
2H is "arguably" worse than a solo bard. Bard has ok damage, good range, good speed, super-fast cooldown speed, mob agro prevention, the ability to tank giants ( if bard has a pet ).
2H > Cleric, other warrior in Solo.

Wizards arent really better at soling ... ginat pops out - dead ... Rogues are weaker version of Warrior without DD/XE ... and with it , they die fast ... It can tank giant , yeah ... but not as good as Warrior ... How good is warrior ...It well is known that the Warrior is the only thing in euro you can bot up, without worrying that it will die , same as ANY china ...that only says how good at soloing is (think a bit what I just said , a little bit of bot abilities )it just says how good Warrior is ... about the damage ... its higher than any str class there is (except rogue buffed with DD/XE) ... you will never probably solo (I didnt) coz its much faster to play in party , where everyone has its own role .

Of the 6 classes, they ranked at the 4th. Maybe my previous 2/5 WAS biased, i would not rate them any higher than 3/5.

So what? lol ... You can pretty much 1 hit everything ... what is so bad about that? Sprint Assault - KD (for antiKSing), Charge/Triple Swing /Bash ... or just maddening ... done ... I wouldnt rate them that low in soloing ...

Party grinding: In party grinding, warrior is meant to be the tank. And there are ONLY 3 tanks in the game: 2H, 1H or DA. 2H is ranked the WORST of them. Seriously, assume you are the party leader. If a 1H, DA and 2H wants to joint your party, who would you choose ? Obviously the 1H, then DA, then 2H. My rank of 3/5 is, as far as i understand, fair.

As I said ... If he is going to play Warrior he can just equip 1h sword lv.1 and his own level shield and he will tank as good as fully farmed 1h ... (only without double attack with shield trash) ... He doesnt even needs to attack, Yeah He doesnt even needs to attack , he can just stand there ... hes dmg will be low coz of Vital Increase ... his role in party is about taking damage , not doing it ... (you showed your knowledge about party play).. so basicly all the skills he needs for tanking are Sprint Assault , Taunt , Howling Shout , Iron Skin / Mana Skin , Vital Increase, Fences , Screen , Pain Quota ...[I wouldnt recommend shield trash coz it spreads enemies , thus making them easyer to be aggroed by casters] I dont see any 2h nor 1h skills ... so you cant compare the warrior sublcasses with tanking, equip lv.1 sword (just to be able to use skills) and your own level shield ... gg...

Powerlevel: 2H is STUPID at powerlevel. Who wants a 2H to powerlevel ? They have NO range, move slow, maybe they have AOE damage, but that's nothing. Wizards do 1000 times better job. So does Bard ( with their 8m and 12m non-target AOE, they could AFK and powerlevel the WHOLE DAY ). Warlocks, and Rogue are also better ( Rogue have good range, Warlocks can 1-Hit every mob lower level. Any china build beats 2H in term of powerleveling: Spear and sword and bow are just obviously better, Glavie have good speed and MANY AOE damage, Blade have Petal Sword Series.

You said yourself ... its stupid ... same as asking yourself a question how good is 2h at powerleveling? ... It isnt his job to powerlevel ... if you wanna powerlevel people and earn money like that ...make a Wizard. And who cares about powerleveling?

TO Bounzzer: Please dont act so high n almighty. I dont want to flame in this thread, neither do i want to argue with you. But your attitude just pisses me off.

I dont want to flame either but I hate when newbies starts talking shit about something what they dont know ... Grind up Warrior first , then post your opinions.

Posted: **Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:23 pm**

Two-hand sword and cleric as sub is a very good build. You already have the raw damage straight out of critical hits and damage buffs. With the ability to return damage, something that allowed me to kill a level 64 friend of mine when I was 57 (though it was a suicide, after he killed me the damage returned and killed him).

Even though two-hand has the lowest defense when compared, cleric really brings you straight back up in defense. Especially survivability with those healing cycles. It's a match made in heaven. You got the strongest of the three warriors with the survivability of a cleric. How can you go wrong?

2H/Cleric is among the pvp greats. It's real nice in PVP, also very helpful in parties.

Posted: **Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:47 pm**

I like rogue much better than 2h. With my dagger/xbow/cleric rogue I can tank giants and reg mobs never even touch me. In parties I use daggers cause casters hate kb and kd from xbow. In power lvling imo rogue is a lot better tan 2h cause of its range, but wiz, warlock, and bard are 10x better.

Posted: **Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:03 pm**

who uses a warlock as a main class anyway?

Posted: **Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:21 pm**

Nitro wrote:Wizards arent really better at soling ... ginat pops out - dead ... Rogues are weaker version of Warrior without DD/XE ... and with it , they die fast ... It can tank giant , yeah ... but not as good as Warrior ... How good is warrior ...It well is known that the Warrior is the only thing in euro you can bot up, without worrying that it will die , same as ANY china ...that only says how good at soloing is (think a bit what I just said , a little bit of bot abilities )it just says how good Warrior is ... about the damage ... its higher than any str class there is (except rogue buffed with DD/XE) ... you will never probably solo (I didnt) coz its much faster to play in party , where everyone has its own role .

It is well known that wiz are fragile, so of course, a solo wizard dont want to solo mobs of his own level. About giants ? Turn on zerk, earth fence, fear him, KB him, use ice nukes, use Vigor, ect. Smart Wiz dont die to giants very often, especially if he's fighting giants 3-4 levels lower, and it does not lag very much.
About rogues, it's like a more damaging verion of a 2H, but with less defence. Rogues often grind with xbow, so they mostly will win in terms of solo power.
My 3/5 means 2H/Cle are not good, and not bad either.

As I said ... If he is going to play Warrior he can just equip 1h sword lv.1 and his own level shield and he will tank as good as fully farmed 1h ... (only without double attack with shield trash) ... He doesnt even needs to attack, Yeah He doesnt even needs to attack , he can just stand there ... hes dmg will be low coz of Vital Increase ... his role in party is about taking damage , not doing it ... (you showed your knowledge about party play).. so basicly all the skills he needs for tanking are Sprint Assault , Taunt , Howling Shout , Iron Skin / Mana Skin , Vital Increase, Fences , Screen , Pain Quota ...[I wouldnt recommend shield trash coz it spreads enemies , thus making them easyer to be aggroed by casters] I dont see any 2h nor 1h skills ... so you cant compare the warrior sublcasses with tanking, equip lv.1 sword (just to be able to use skills) and your own level shield ... gg...

Nah, it does not work like that. If your 1H skills are unfarmed, they will do too little agro to the mob, and he will agro towards the nuker, especially if he/she in Life Control. A 2H changing to use a shield will equip him with tanking power of a 1H, but not enough agro.

You said yourself ... its stupid ... same as asking yourself a question how good is 2h at powerleveling? ... It isnt his job to powerlevel ... if you wanna powerlevel people and earn money like that ...make a Wizard. And who cares about powerleveling?

Have you even looked at what the topic starter asked ? He did ask about how does 2H/Cle do in powerfarming, so i include an answer. What's wrong with that ?

I dont want to flame either but I hate when newbies starts talking shit about something what they dont know ... Grind up Warrior first , then post your opinions.

I dont know how experience you are, but i do have a 1H/2H lv 62 myself. I also have a 7x Wiz and several Chinese chars as well. My 62 2H has a long way to the cap, but i believe i know a bit about the build . I'm in the forum to learn, and share experience at the same time. If i'm wrong then correct me. I feel there's no need to say someone is a newbie based merely on your speculation.

Posted: **Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:30 pm**

Sir_Nicolas wrote:who uses a warlock as a main class anyway?

. Warlock r an ownage main class as well as a sub class. They r one of the best classes for pve an pvp.

Posted: **Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:58 pm**

Well, 2H is great in solo grinding. I've solo-grind most of my levels. The damage output is beyond glaive's damage and near (even beyond an spear's nuker damage with daredevil) a sword nuker's damage. You're also great in party, as you can do everything a warrior can do, just you lack a bit in defense, which isn't significant. Tanks don't really matter, when it comes to having a cleric on your party. As long as you keep aggro and not knock down, you're good. You being a two-hand also gives your party a nice damage output.

The only draw backs are the pot delay and speed. Speed can be bought or given by a fellow bard. When you reach high levels, those drugs aren't really all that expensive. And, then the pot delay can be fixed by the survivability of cleric (aka healing cycles and division)

When you power-level, you're going to be obviously better than any strength class, other than rogue (due to crossbow extreme [and bow as well, since range is very valuable in plevel]). This includes Chinese, you hit harder than all the strength chinese.

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:35 pm**

MysticRose wrote:
Nitro wrote:Wizards arent really better at soling ... ginat pops out - dead ... Rogues are weaker version of Warrior without DD/XE ... and with it , they die fast ... It can tank giant , yeah ... but not as good as Warrior ... How good is warrior ...It well is known that the Warrior is the only thing in euro you can bot up, without worrying that it will die , same as ANY china ...that only says how good at soloing is (think a bit what I just said , a little bit of bot abilities )it just says how good Warrior is ... about the damage ... its higher than any str class there is (except rogue buffed with DD/XE) ... you will never probably solo (I didnt) coz its much faster to play in party , where everyone has its own role .

It is well known that wiz are fragile, so of course, a solo wizard dont want to solo mobs of his own level. About giants ? Turn on zerk, earth fence, fear him, KB him, use ice nukes, use Vigor, ect. Smart Wiz dont die to giants very often, especially if he's fighting giants 3-4 levels lower, and it does not lag very much.
About rogues, it's like a more damaging verion of a 2H, but with less defence. Rogues often grind with xbow, so they mostly will win in terms of solo power.
My 3/5 means 2H/Cle are not good, and not bad either.

As I said ... If he is going to play Warrior he can just equip 1h sword lv.1 and his own level shield and he will tank as good as fully farmed 1h ... (only without double attack with shield trash) ... He doesnt even needs to attack, Yeah He doesnt even needs to attack , he can just stand there ... hes dmg will be low coz of Vital Increase ... his role in party is about taking damage , not doing it ... (you showed your knowledge about party play).. so basicly all the skills he needs for tanking are Sprint Assault , Taunt , Howling Shout , Iron Skin / Mana Skin , Vital Increase, Fences , Screen , Pain Quota ...[I wouldnt recommend shield trash coz it spreads enemies , thus making them easyer to be aggroed by casters] I dont see any 2h nor 1h skills ... so you cant compare the warrior sublcasses with tanking, equip lv.1 sword (just to be able to use skills) and your own level shield ... gg...

Nah, it does not work like that. If your 1H skills are unfarmed, they will do too little agro to the mob, and he will agro towards the nuker, especially if he/she in Life Control. A 2H changing to use a shield will equip him with tanking power of a 1H, but not enough agro.

You said yourself ... its stupid ... same as asking yourself a question how good is 2h at powerleveling? ... It isnt his job to powerlevel ... if you wanna powerlevel people and earn money like that ...make a Wizard. And who cares about powerleveling?

Have you even looked at what the topic starter asked ? He did ask about how does 2H/Cle do in powerfarming, so i include an answer. What's wrong with that ?

I dont want to flame either but I hate when newbies starts talking shit about something what they dont know ... Grind up Warrior first , then post your opinions.

I dont know how experience you are, but i do have a 1H/2H lv 62 myself. I also have a 7x Wiz and several Chinese chars as well. My 62 2H has a long way to the cap, but i believe i know a bit about the build . I'm in the forum to learn, and share experience at the same time. If i'm wrong then correct me. I feel there's no need to say someone is a newbie based merely on your speculation.

Well there are 3 players who are saying your wrong so lets start whit "pics or it didn't happen" lol its possible you have a 62 warrior but you don't know shit about them so is it botted up or something?
you want to help but your only giving wrong answers.

So my tip is for you go actually play on this warrior so you do get some experience, after that come back and share your experience whit us

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:49 pm**

Nah, it does not work like that. If your 1H skills are unfarmed, they will do too little agro to the mob, and he will agro towards the nuker, especially if he/she in Life Control. A 2H changing to use a shield will equip him with tanking power of a 1H, but not enough agro...

Erm what? The stuff that draws shitloads of aggro towards you are taunt , howling shout , recovery divison (if you casted it)and vital increase .... Your 1h skills doesnt matter at all... I tanked shitloads of time like that ...
Btw I have lv.74 2h/cleric (retired)

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:43 pm**

+1 for all post of nitro
Thanks for helping giving the true right answers

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:03 pm**

Well, if everyone's coming and say i'm giving a load of crap then i'm not so arrogant to deny it.

Sorry to the topic starter for giving my opinion.

Posted: **Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:20 pm**

MysticRose wrote:Well, if everyone's coming and say i'm giving a load of crap then i'm not so arrogant to deny it.

Sorry to the topic starter for giving my opinion.

Mmmm yeah ... I was a little bit too harsh ... sorry

... Dont disinclude MysticRose's comments too ... he/she said some things right ... like they sux at plvling

Hehe Rose

Posted: **Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:28 am**

Nitro wrote:
MysticRose wrote:Well, if everyone's coming and say i'm giving a load of crap then i'm not so arrogant to deny it.

Sorry to the topic starter for giving my opinion.

Mmmm yeah ... I was a little bit too harsh ... sorry ... Dont disinclude MysticRose's comments too ... he/she said some things right ... like they sux at plvling

Hehe Rose

+1 mysticRose, Now your the smartest...being able to admit it and not flame me back..Thanks :shock:

For Nitro; lets keep the discussion going....about

like they sux at plvling

I do not agree whit that.
I agree that they are not the "best powerlvler" they won't beat wizards.
I think they are avarage powerlvlers, let me explain my opinion..

I like powerlvling on Penoms(54) They die really fast, lots of pt giants and pt mobs and I still get drops

I started powerlvling at lvl 64 till now (68).
When I'm powerlvling its albout KS'ing other powerlvler's, like every other powerlvler try it whit me.
I steal almost everything!!! with my nice damage and huge crit's I can beat every Chinese charater...yea even nukers.

-For a chinese nukers;
my lvl (or about my lvl +/-) I have to make the first attack on a pt mob(general) then I will get the kill and that's same for him (if I don't crit).
For a pt champ and for party giant I almost always have the kill.
If we both use zerk or both not afcourse..., althoug I did ks sometime while he was zerking and
I wasn't :shock:

-For a chinese archer;
my lvl (or about my lvl +/-) I have to make the first attack on a pt mob then I will get the kill and that's same for him (if I don't crit).
For a pt champ it's about crits and first attack.
For a pt giant its about crits and many knockdowns.

-For a chinese blader;
My lvl (or higher (74/75) I ks on a pt mob.
For a pt cham I ks.
For a giant I ks.

-For a chinese glavier;
my lvl (or about my lvl +/-) I have to make the first attack on a pt mob then I will get the kill and that's same for him (if I don't crit).
For a pt champ it's about crits.
For a pt giant I ks.

So now about European characters.

Roque (I only say main builds so no subclasses);
my lvl (or about my lvl +/-) I have to make the first attack and crit, same for him.
For a pt champ its about first attack and crits.
For a pt giant its all depending on crits and average damage, his crits are higer for him and for me the damage is higher.
So KD alot (like he do) and don't use maddening (unlesh your zerking) its 50/50.

Wizard;
For sure the best powerlvler!!!
my lvl (or about my lvl +/-) I have to make the first attack, and that hast to be a KD!
or i will get ks'ed.
If I don't he will get the kill no matter I had the first attack.
For a pt champ its the same as for the pt mob.
For a pt giant he mostly win..but not always

when I don't use maddenin but only Turn rising, duel slash, bash--->Sprint assault, I sometimes have the kill

Warlock;
No idea never "duel'ed" him.

Cleric or Bard;
my lvl (or about my lvl +/-) I have to make the first attack on a pt mob then I will get the kill and that's same for him (if I don't crit).
For a pt champ it's about crits and first attack.
For a pt giant its about crits and many knockdowns.

This makes me saying warrior/(cleric) can powerlvl pretty nice.
This doesn't mean on all mobs keep that in mind, but as I can notice the warrior gets better with higher lvl so higher lvl mobs.
Ongs for example that's harder, there its just all about the first attack.
And whit only first attacks its about moving speed, reaction time and good aiming;),
since Warrior/Cleric is a slow moving build (either walking and hitting) its hard to get the first attack.
While at higher lvl mobs (penoms/pegs/ninya sniper..etc.) whit more hp the dps (damage output) from a warrior is higher means ks..soo more EXP where this whole story is based on.

Conclusion from online game experience;
The warrior is a good powerlvler especcialy when the lvl's get higher.

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