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lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:19 pm
by revo333
ive been reading a ton of posts and everything about hybrid ints, pure ints, nukes and everything but my main question still remains. wat is beter for a pure int spear...lite or fire?
also which will b better once i reach 80?
~Thx.
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:30 pm
by blackfalcon
light. and stop making new topics =/ just ask the question on one of your other topics....
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:22 pm
by Repercussion
Um... light is needed for the piercing force series... but fire has strongest imbues along with nuke, and will have the strongest nuke at 90 cap also.
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:50 pm
by Lulor
blackfalcon wrote:light. and stop making new topics =/ just ask the question on one of your other topics....
+1 if your going to use cold max go light simple as that
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:03 pm
by Shynygamie
light for pure int and fire for pure str
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:00 pm
by Repercussion
Anyone who thinks maxed ice at 90 cap will help... your stupid... lol...
All you get is 53% damage reduction, and the current one at 90 cap is 50%... why waste 10 good mastery points...
Im doing this for me at level 81... not going past it...
78 Bicheon: Lightning Chain level 3 > Demon Blade Force Level 8 > Dragon Sore Blade Level 6 > Devil Cut Blade Level 9
81 Lightning: Piercing Force Level 2 > Wind Walk Level 10 > Ghost Walk Shadow Level 2 > Power Lion Shout Level 3 > Concentration 3rd Level 6 > Horses Thunderbolt Level 6 > Level 8 Parry Passive [+31 Parry]
81 Fire: Soul Fire Force Level 9 > Fire Shield Emperor Level 1 > Flame Body Trial Level 1 > Earth Fire Protection Level 3 [+134 Mag Defense] > Flame Wave Series
60 Ice: Power Guard of Ice Level 7 [+42 Physical Defense] > Snow Shield Freeze [40% Mp Absorption] > Cold Armor Level 6 [+42 Physical Defense Passive]
Thats what I am doing... a lot of people probably will call it a failure, but its the only way I get all the skills that I like... =]
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:58 pm
by borat2
Repercussion wrote:Anyone who thinks maxed ice at 90 cap will help... your stupid... lol...
All you get is 53% damage reduction, and the current one at 90 cap is 50%... why waste 10 good mastery points...
Im doing this for me at level 81... not going past it...
78 Bicheon: Lightning Chain level 3 > Demon Blade Force Level 8 > Dragon Sore Blade Level 6 > Devil Cut Blade Level 9
81 Lightning: Piercing Force Level 2 > Wind Walk Level 10 > Ghost Walk Shadow Level 2 > Power Lion Shout Level 3 > Concentration 3rd Level 6 > Horses Thunderbolt Level 6 > Level 8 Parry Passive [+31 Parry]
81 Fire: Soul Fire Force Level 9 > Fire Shield Emperor Level 1 > Flame Body Trial Level 1 > Earth Fire Protection Level 3 [+134 Mag Defense] > Flame Wave Series
60 Ice: Power Guard of Ice Level 7 [+42 Physical Defense] > Snow Shield Freeze [40% Mp Absorption] > Cold Armor Level 6 [+42 Physical Defense Passive]
Thats what I am doing... a lot of people probably will call it a failure, but its the only way I get all the skills that I like... =]
....
phy defense increase from passive and might guard of ice increases great each level, at level 90 it will be 132 increase
passive will be also 132
so its far from stupid to choose ice as one of your main mastery as a pure int.
i also find your build plan kinda strange you will have some nice skills indeed but you will be missing out a lot damage/defense, if you only count the mastery increase you already missing out 9% of your total damage not even talking about the damage you will miss for having "low level" skills.
back on topic.
you can take both for the highest damage build, but if you have to choose due to mastery limits, make sure you have light your main instead of fire.
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:17 pm
by Hideoki
when will people realise? each time a new cap comes out, you need to de level masteries....so by 100 cap ur bicheon will be useless "brainded if you dotn de level that, defies all reason of being a nuker otherwise, cus u need light and cold" unless you keep de levelling cold...but then ur gonna be so easy to kill its almost killed ur build totally.
imo, keeping cold at 80 is fine for 90 cap, but bicheon at 78 and cold at 60?....lmao
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:20 pm
by SaoKill
Hideoki wrote:when will people realise? each time a new cap comes out, you need to de level masteries....so by 100 cap ur bicheon will be useless "brainded if you dotn de level that, defies all reason of being a nuker otherwise, cus u need light and cold" unless you keep de levelling cold...but then ur gonna be so easy to kill its almost killed ur build totally.
imo, keeping cold at 80 is fine for 90 cap, but bicheon at 78 and cold at 60?....lmao
He is right in a way. At the 100 cap, bicheon should still be needed. But at the 110 and so on, you'll get stun from the lv110 Force book, in which you should get force... At the 140 Cap I suggest getting 20 Cold, 140 Lightning, 140 Force. Strong nukes, debuff, stun, with a little snowshield to help you out. And DON'T go hybrid. Even JM's comics says don't, it'll just mess up your build. The extra HP isn't needed.
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:25 pm
by Hideoki
Bicheon is never right, its a waste of time for chinese nuke builds!!! i said in my other post 110 light / 110 force / 80 cold is what we will use by then.
110 force / 110 light / 80 bicheon is the only possible other build i can see, but thats weaker than the 1 mentioned before.
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:27 pm
by SaoKill
I'm not talking about 110... I'm talking about the 100 Cap. At the 100 Cap, Bicheon is a must... You'll only get defensive moves from Force at 110, Causing you to only be able to nuke at 100 if you have NO Defensive moves from Force or Bicheon. That's why, at the 100 cap, stay with Bicheon, and at the 110, Delevel it.
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:32 pm
by Hideoki
i guess you can up to 100, but for me i dont fancy de levelling bich down to 0 so i just will never use it. i do fine in pvp with bicheon at 30 right now. i just look forward to 110 when i can take force and stun.
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:34 pm
by SaoKill
Hideoki wrote:i guess you can up to 100, but for me i dont fancy de levelling bich down to 0 so i just will never use it. i do fine in pvp with bicheon at 30 right now. i just look forward to 110 when i can take force and stun.
I suggested it because it's going to take forever to get to the 110cap. By then, people will have hopefully saved up for enough silk deleveling potions, or they're in for a lot of cursed hearts.
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:06 pm
by revo333
why are ppl dropping wep skills and maxing out fire and light without having a wep skill?
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:16 pm
by SaoKill
That's completely dumb. If you drop the weapon mastery, ATLEAST get force. At 110, this provides you with Stun and many debuffs.
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:38 pm
by BaronSengir
low bicheon? there goes your lv9 bleed division and impotent since you will be doing lv 8 one lol
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:40 pm
by SaoKill
BaronSengir wrote:low bicheon? there goes your lv9 bleed division and impotent since you will be doing lv 8 one lol
Another good reason why you should go no bicheon to low bicheon. From the chains, you get no status effects, or low leveled ones, that will do no effects to people your level...
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:53 pm
by blackfalcon
i think the builds for the 100+ caps should be this:
100 cap
weapon 100
ice 100
light 100
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110 cap
110 weapon
110 light
80 ice
____________________________
120 cap
weapon 120
light 120
ice 60
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:27 pm
by SaoKill
I think force should be included...
STR
100:
100 Weapon
100 Fire
100 Force
110:
110 Weapon
110 Force
80 Fire
INT
100:
100 Weapon
100 Lightning
100 Cold
110:
110 Force [This is when stun comes]
110 Lightning
80 Cold
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:59 pm
by revo333
does anynoe know when a 110 cap is coming out? and if it comes out wat lvl should i get my bicehon to max before i start delvling it? (cause i wanna reach the cap)
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:09 am
by blackfalcon
revo333 wrote:does anynoe know when a 110 cap is coming out? and if it comes out wat lvl should i get my bicehon to max before i start delvling it? (cause i wanna reach the cap)
lol 90 cap aint even out yet. at the rate they release things i would say 2 years
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:33 pm
by revo333
is maxing out cold necessary for a pure int s/s?
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:29 pm
by blackfalcon
SaoKill wrote:I think force should be included...
STR
100:
100 Weapon
100 Fire
100 Force
110:
110 Weapon
110 Force
80 Fire
INT
100:
100 Weapon
100 Lightning
100 Cold
110:
110 Force [This is when stun comes]
110 Lightning
80 Cold
i dont think droping a weapon tree for foce is good. delevelinga weapon to zero jus to get stun? spear already has stun, an sword has knockdown so i dont really see the point in wasting those mastery lvls jus to get stun.
revo333 wrote:is maxing out cold necessary for a pure int s/s?
ya u still need maxed cold, all int builds do
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:37 pm
by revo333
does spear have 100% chance of stun? and does force?
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:42 pm
by blackfalcon
its not a 100% guarentee. but still, deleveling weapons for force seems stupid
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:43 pm
by SaoKill
[quote="blackfalcon"]
Just stun? No...
1. Stun
2. Debuffing Like Hell
3. Revive
4. Therapy
5. Immunity
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:49 pm
by blackfalcon
but still, is it worth not hving a weapon tree?
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:09 pm
by SaoKill
blackfalcon wrote:but still, is it worth not hving a weapon tree?
Yes. You're nukes/STR-based attacks will be so strong, it's not even funny... You'll be 2hitting people, and with stun, your unstoppable
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:27 pm
by revo333
SaoKill how many cursed hearts and how much cash do u think it will take to de lvl 120 lvls?
Re: lightning vs. fire?
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:04 pm
by SaoKill
Lots, 1200 Cursed hearts just for levels, and than maybe another 2000 or something for the stuff inside those levels. Also lots of cash.
But, if you got Silk, it'd be a lot easier + no cash