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Spear or Sword?

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:59 pm
by Repercussion
I am trying to decide if I should become a hybrid int spear instead of a pure int sword...

Currently... I can't decide upon the 90 cap...

Everyone says I should go 7:1 Fire/Light nuker because you need ice... and I really want to get fire though....

So what would be the best build for what you vote on...?

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:04 pm
by SaoKill
Pure INT S/S > You
Status+Nuke+Knockdown+Stab+Snowshield = THE SHIT

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:07 pm
by Repercussion
But pure int has low hp... and 7:1 has a lot more... and the stun and knock-back on spear helps a ton... and I can't think of a good build for 90 cap for either one...

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:35 pm
by MrSonic
At the end all nukers have to drop weapon masteries so i would suggest going pure INT spear, good overall PvP performance and the grinding is very easy.

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:06 am
by Repercussion
Pure Int Spear has the lowest defense... if I am going to go pure int, it will be sword. Pure int spear is mostly for gold farming and PvE...

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:17 am
by Disconn3cted
if you want to get fire you should do 1:2 hybrid spear but keep in mind its not a nuker although it does have high hitting str skills

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:07 am
by Repercussion
Fire doesn't matter too much... I just want it a little bit higher than level 30... -.-

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:09 am
by Gemini
if you want you can make a 2:1 sword/spear dual light 90 heuskal 90 bicheon 90 and 30 ice/fire its pretty good you have enough hp to tank and can knockdown but for the most part go 7:1 hybrid you can hold on to fire for 80 cap but not when 90 cap comes sadly

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:17 am
by Repercussion
Just tell me what the best pure int sword build is... Cause I don't think you need 90 ice...

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:09 pm
by Repercussion
Anyone else got some tips for me?

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:14 pm
by Mefra
MrSonic wrote:At the end all nukers have to drop weapon masteries so i would suggest going pure INT spear, good overall PvP performance and the grinding is very easy.


Should they? It seems reasonable for now, but come on...That would mean that any pure int chinese would be a weaker version of a wizard...Seems very odd to me. I think it's more likely that they raise the gap or make the chinese stronger is some way.

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:50 am
by Repercussion
Well... I heard that the European race will not be getting any new skills at 90 cap... only the Chinese race will... now 100% of this, but I've heard that from a number of people...

...well...I still can't decide on what I should do for my pure int nuker sword/shield... Some people tell me not to get fire... and some people tell me too... so I don't know... This is how I think of it right now...

Cold: The only thing good about cold, is defense, which is crucial to a pure int nuker... you need the snow shield... always will... along with the frost guard series... other than that, the nukes serve no point and are took weak to use as an attack skill.

Lightning: Is a must need for a nuker build. No nuker can leave lightning out... You need Piercing Force Series, Lion Shout Series [Nice To Have], Thunderbolt Force Series, Concentration, Wind Walk Series and Heavens Force Series. So just about everything...

Fire: Fire has some of the most powerful attacks for a nuker. Fire Force Series is the most powerful imbue series you can get... Fire Shield Series is nice to have so you can be fully immune to certain things... especially ice... Fire Protection Series isn't needed if your using garments, but for armor yes... and for protector... kind of "iffy" in my opinion... Flame Body Series is just about worthless to nukers... wont do anything in nukes and probably barely affect you when you use chains... Flame Wave Series, one of the most powerful nukes... All the nukes are more powerful than lightning and have higher %'s on almost all of them too.


Well thats my view on the different forces... and yet I can't decide on a build for 90 cap... Here is some more of my thoughts...

Ice: Its a need... but I don't think it has to be level 90 for you too dominate... I think you can leave it at 80, maybe even 70 and still dominate...

Lightning: Its a must... 90... no exceptions...

Fire: Has the strongest imbues, and nukes... along with good mag defense buffs...but everyone advises me against it... and I am all for it and can't decide... I think this should be leveled high too...

Bicheon: I am thinking I won't really need any skills past level 70, just because I am a nuker... so was thinking about getting it to level 70 and stopping...

So so far I am coming up with this...

Lightning: 90
Bicheon: 70
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70+90 = 160
300-160 = 140
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Now my question is how do I distribute the remaining 140 mastery points?

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Here is my final thought... people have said it sounds good and bad... so looking for more ideas...

70 Bicheon / 80 Fire/ 60 Ice / 90 Lightning

This means I would only have 1 full mastered...

any ideas?

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:03 pm
by Bounzzer
Same problem here, I also want to lvl up my s/s guy this is what I have in mind for the 90 cap.

90 light
90 fire
60 bicheon
60 ice.

tell me whay you think about it ;)
edit: Can also someone tell me what % snow shield you would have with 60 ice???

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:28 pm
by Repercussion
Yah, I am thinking of doing something like that... or maybe...

90 Lightning / 80 Fire / 70 Bicheon / 60 Ice

but than only one is mastered...

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:46 pm
by Bounzzer
Can you explain to me why you want 70 bicheon, I never had bicheon chars so I need somethings to know about ;)

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:02 pm
by Repercussion
You get the new knock down along with the double stab. Its usefull for a pure int because if you have a high crit... it will do massive amount of damage...

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:12 pm
by Bounzzer
Repercussion wrote:You get the new knock down along with the double stab. Its usefull for a pure int because if you have a high crit... it will do massive amount of damage...


Ok and this is with 70 bicheon? (I mean exactly 70)
Thank for the replay and your right about the double stab, must have for pvp.

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:34 pm
by Glavie's Girl
pure int sword, you will love the extra hp now, but in higher lvls you will miss those %'s of damage your losing, and at lvl lets say 100 whom wants to start over?

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:42 pm
by Bounzzer
Glavie's Girl wrote:pure int sword, you will love the extra hp now, but in higher lvls you will miss those %'s of damage your losing, and at lvl lets say 100 whom wants to start over?


so what build do you advise for an int char?

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:31 pm
by Repercussion
Pure int sword currently dominates kSRO at 100 cap... and you need 68 for double stab...

90 Lightning - 82 Fire - 68 Bicheon - 60 Ice

Thats what I am thinking of right now...

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:39 pm
by Bounzzer
Repercussion wrote:Pure int sword currently dominates kSRO at 100 cap... and you need 68 for double stab...

90 Lightning - 82 Fire - 68 Bicheon - 60 Ice

Thats what I am thinking of right now...


sounds like a good overall build, what snowshield you have with 60 ice (%?)

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:09 pm
by Repercussion
40%... but +55phys on cold armor [passive] and like +40 on the ice guard... =]

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:31 pm
by Bounzzer
means good enough if your a s/s since you also have your BR ok so its gonna be 90 Lightning - 82 Fire - 68 Bicheon - 60 Ice

thanks man :D

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:32 pm
by raged!
pure int spear with 80heku, 80ice, 80light.. i dont see how you can go wrong with it

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:35 pm
by Venomic
raged! wrote:pure int spear with 80heku, 80ice, 80light.. i dont see how you can go wrong with it


What sucks about this build is that once snow is gone you are dead hella quick.

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:38 pm
by Bounzzer
Venomic wrote:
raged! wrote:pure int spear with 80heku, 80ice, 80light.. i dont see how you can go wrong with it


What sucks about this build is that once snow is gone you are dead hella quick.



+1

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:03 pm
by raged!
Venomic wrote:
raged! wrote:pure int spear with 80heku, 80ice, 80light.. i dont see how you can go wrong with it


What sucks about this build is that once snow is gone you are dead hella quick.


-1
what sucks for you is i can kill you in less than 2 minutes

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:14 pm
by Repercussion
raged! wrote:
Venomic wrote:
raged! wrote:pure int spear with 80heku, 80ice, 80light.. i dont see how you can go wrong with it


What sucks about this build is that once snow is gone you are dead hella quick.


-1
what sucks for you is i can kill you in less than 2 minutes


You must be new rage!, without snow shield you will die. A pure int without snow-shield will get one-hit. At 90 cap their is going to be a 60% damage reduction on snow shield... 60%!!! A pure int level 90 will only have about 9000HP in total, and a pure str glavie or bow will easily hit that on you in no time...

I am making a new topic now... so discuss it there...

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:38 am
by SaoKill
Sword with the 60% snowshield is unstoppable.. block+extra defence and snowshield?

Re: Spear or Sword?

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:01 am
by kevv
With Bicheon at 70 in 90 cap your not gonna kd a damn thing, just take 90 ice/light/bich, amazing defense + strong light nukes + chain status from bicheon.

Spear is more of the same, you already have high damage so go 7:1 or even 5:1 and once you stun them throw in a nuke followed by a mars, if their not dead by then their probably really low.