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Light INT hybrid Spear. Mastery Discussion.

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:59 pm
by Stress
I was thinking about a hybrid INT spear with less then roughly 80% magical balance (somewhere between 70 and 80 %) at 90 cap.
I have two layouts in mind:

1) The Classical:
90 heuksal
90 light
90 cold
30 fire

2) Unconventional:
90 heuksal
90 fire
60 light
60 cold.

Discuss. :)

Re: Light INT hybrid Spear. Mastery Discussion.

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:24 pm
by noobert mclagg
The classical. U gunna want max damage and max defense for 90 cap, even though the fire nuke does more damage the ice nuke isnt that bad.

Re: Light INT hybrid Spear. Mastery Discussion.

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:01 pm
by Disconn3cted
80% magic balance

90 heuksal (its obvious why this should be 90)
90 fire (for magic defense which a hybrid will need a higher caps at 80% magic balance)
70 light (it gains about 2% more magic dmg going from 70 to 90)
50 ice (spear at 80% can't use anything much higher than this)

Re: Light INT hybrid Spear. Mastery Discussion.

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:39 pm
by Jantje
Disconn3cted wrote:80% magic balance

90 heuksal (its obvious why this should be 90)
90 fire (for magic defense which a hybrid will need a higher caps at 80% magic balance)
70 light (it gains about 2% more magic dmg going from 70 to 90)
50 ice (spear at 80% can't use anything much higher than this)


Yep, this is the best option imo. Ice is overrated, especially for a hybrid int. More then 40% ice shield will be overkill + you got more HP because your hybrid. Fire will still have the strongest nukes + imbue and good buffs like phy dmg increase and mag def increase. Light at 70 for speed and other buffs.

Re: Light INT hybrid Spear. Mastery Discussion.

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:44 pm
by blackfalcon
Jantje wrote:
Disconn3cted wrote:80% magic balance

90 heuksal (its obvious why this should be 90)
90 fire (for magic defense which a hybrid will need a higher caps at 80% magic balance)
70 light (it gains about 2% more magic dmg going from 70 to 90)
50 ice (spear at 80% can't use anything much higher than this)


Yep, this is the best option imo. Ice is overrated, especially for a hybrid int. More then 40% ice shield will be overkill + you got more HP because your hybrid. Fire will still have the strongest nukes + imbue and good buffs like phy dmg increase and mag def increase. Light at 70 for speed and other buffs.


will this work for a 88-90%(naked) hybrid?

also, should i use light or fire imbue?

Re: Light INT hybrid Spear. Mastery Discussion.

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:05 pm
by blackfalcon
what book is the 40% snow shield?

Re: Light INT hybrid Spear. Mastery Discussion.

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:26 pm
by gangster935
1st or second book i believe so.

Re: Light INT hybrid Spear. Mastery Discussion.

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:28 pm
by Stress
For a 88-90% hybrid, I think the approach should be the traditional:
90 heuksal
90 cold
90 light
30 fire.


Also, as far as I can remember the 40% snow shield is book 3 (level 60).

Re: Light INT hybrid Spear. Mastery Discussion.

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:36 pm
by Jantje
Stress wrote:For a 88-90% hybrid, I think the approach should be the traditional:
90 heuksal
90 cold
90 light
30 fire.


Also, as far as I can remember the 40% snow shield is book 3 (level 60).


With 90 ice you got 60% mana shield. This is rather useless for anyone who is not pure int. Hybrids wont have enough mana. Then the only really usefull skill in the ice tree is frost guard. Fire has better buffs and higher damage.

Re: Light INT hybrid Spear. Mastery Discussion.

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:39 pm
by Stress
You really need the physical defense with such a high magical balance IMO.

Re: Light INT hybrid Spear. Mastery Discussion.

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:06 pm
by Alterran
my build is gona be a little different

Heuksal-30
fire-90
cold-90
light-90
only cause heuksal i dont need and i want a pure nuker

Re: Light INT hybrid Spear. Mastery Discussion.

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:12 pm
by blackfalcon
Jantje wrote:
Stress wrote:For a 88-90% hybrid, I think the approach should be the traditional:
90 heuksal
90 cold
90 light
30 fire.


Also, as far as I can remember the 40% snow shield is book 3 (level 60).


With 90 ice you got 60% mana shield. This is rather useless for anyone who is not pure int. Hybrids wont have enough mana. Then the only really usefull skill in the ice tree is frost guard. Fire has better buffs and higher damage.


i agree, with maxed ice and snow shield you'll have no mp left for attacks, u just sit there and tank. and light doesnt need to to be maxed, because some1 already said the mag. increase from 70-90 is only 2%. maxed fire will give u the strongest nukes and good buffs, int are supposed to do damage, not tank, being able to tank is good but not sacrificing all ur damage

Re: Light INT hybrid Spear. Mastery Discussion.

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:05 pm
by covenuncle
well if u ran out of mana ,u cant tank either......u will be gone pretty fawst then.....i have a hybrid char and i use spear and i have the same dilema as you stress....

if i decide to go 90 heux 90 light and 90 cold and 30 fire(just for show)

it doesnt mean that i will use 55%-60% of the snow shield....

i mean i had a 80 cold mastery and 50% snow shield,on lvl 80 with my build it was inpossible to pvp....with garms i had mana barely to do atacks in prot i didint had mana at all....

so now my snow shield is 41%....u can still keep it 80....

what im saying is...that if u choose lvl 90 cold....you will have an excelent phys defense,buff and passive..but you wont have mag defense at all...so u have to go garment in that case....

personaly what im doing now with my char is....i put him in prot set,im gonna make his light and cold 70,fire 80.....

why?

its because,hybrids on lvl 80 have a slight problem with a light mastery,nukes and imbue....

theoreticly light has the highest dmg,but his minimum dmg is prettly low....very big oscilation in damage...which means what? if u do 7k dmg nuke or 9.5-10k dmg nuke...it is a hell of the difference,also including heux attacks,4k-6.5k with a skill....so if i choose fire i will have ,if not a bigger dmg,stable dmg at least...which will be from 8k-9.5k nuke,and the heux attacks from 5.5-6.5k......

i also considered to have light 60,ice 60....i have the same problem in deciding...fire max,weapon max...in that case i would have to stay in prot if not even switch to armor....

so my personal plan for my char is that on this cap ill be 80 fire 80 heux 70 light 70 cold,

on cap 90 ill go 90 light 90 cold 90 weapon,fire down,when they open the skills u will have new light nuke ,along with this one...so it will be kinda good,as for those oscilations...they will still be there...but if u put int from 80-90 your mag balance will be higher+ buff for 18% mag atack....that should cover up the dmg matter....


my choice would be classical build......theoreticly ice 60 and light 60 with fire 90 woudl be also great for hybrid (why?) ..high mag defense 9-10% of phys atack power increased....with a buff 9% with passive....

but take a look on pratical side....since your light is 60,movement is pretty slow...if u choose 60 cold...u will have low phys defense so u gotta go prot if not even armor.... imagine how slow u gonna be in attackings and movements in armor with light 60...:S

so better choose classical build.

the thing that stings me too is what if i put fire 30 what about phys atack bonuses in that case....since we are hybrids we need that too...u can do this put your ice on 80 and fire on 40...just to have some difference in phys atack bonuses.....

why doing that.....

well if im not wrong on lvl 90,phys passive skill shoudl bring you around 105 phys defense.....i doubt that it will be more than that...so that measn that totaly you will have 210 phys defense with pasive and buff....and with cold 80 u have 162 phys defense....which is still pretty decent....

snow shield will be 50%....on lvl 90 hybrid dont need higher that this (i think)...but question is is is worthy to risk that 1-2% more in phys atack over 48 phys defense...which is the difference beetween cold on 80 and cold on 90...

every build has their own advantages and flaws....if you dont want to think about build that much,make an euro char....2 masteries is more then enough for them :D...

kiding.....

i would suggest classical build...(repeating myself..-_- )

even if your phys atack will be lower,u will have higher mag balance and your nukes will be stronger....i think that on higher levels,nukes will have a bigger difference in dmg when u level them...from 80-90...you shoudl be good with a classical build.i think ill do the same.