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[Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:20 pm
by Malicious
Well, as you can see in my signature. I have a 3x warlock/cleric. I love the pvping and jobbing. It's my favorite build in the whole game. But I find it that I die too easy. Then my friend who happens to be a Warlock/Cleric (We got 2 in our union) told me he is a hybrid. He said he added Str since lvl 64. That would be 47 Str points? He said he has 11k HP and the other one has even more! I saw him pvp and they are strong. They tank really good and still manage to do immense damage. Should I go hybrid? Or stick Pure Int? I was thinking 7:1.
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:42 pm
by -.-
they pvp well because they are 64+ lol not be cause they are hybrids
you should go pure int for now, you can decide later to go hybrid but pure int at lower lvls work better
i mean you dont even have recovery division and/or the good debuffs yet
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:52 pm
by IceCrash
doesnt sound good, since the only damage you can do as a warlock, is the 2xx nuke you got.
beeing a hybrid would make that nuke weaker, and the debuffs that do dps, those would be ridiculous.
Nope, doesnt sound good at all, dont do it
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:01 pm
by -.-
warlock's dot damage is like a 300-400% nuke if you get 2 or more of them on... i mean sure it hits lower but it cast a lot faster, compare the damage between the time dot can run between the time it takes between firing 2 wizard nukes that are 300%+
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:47 pm
by ThisIsAvalon
Hybrid warlocks are terrible, unless you use cleric as your main and only use warlock for the debuffs. In that perspective, just be a pure str warlock and just use the debuffs, and do warrior sub, much better then hybridizing yourself.
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:14 pm
by _Scarlett_
ThisIsAvalon wrote:Hybrid warlocks are terrible, unless you use cleric as your main and only use warlock for the debuffs. In that perspective, just be a pure str warlock and just use the debuffs, and do warrior sub, much better then hybridizing yourself.
I'd suggest that to be the other way around...Pure str warrior as main tree and warlock as a sub. One of my guildies is doing this and for him it works horribly well ^,^ (an oxy-moron I know, but eh w/e)
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:25 pm
by bakafish
Why not ask Molecyle? I'm sure he knows more and he's in your guild.
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:27 pm
by Krevidy
a lv 51 Warrior with warlock as sub raped my lv 54 full str blader.
Warrior/Warlock is a very good build. - Debuffs ftL
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Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:04 pm
by antics
full str warlock ftw
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:08 pm
by sama98b
hybrid euro = shittiest decision ever
Whoever didn't get it : sro official cartoon : hybrid character only good to be deleted.
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:19 pm
by MrBow
lol wtf? ^
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:43 pm
by Berto
You can look at the other thread about going warlock hybrid, should be around 2nd or 3rd page. When my gear is maxed I shall also have well over 11k hp, right now im missing about 1k. I don't regret it. Going warlock/cleric gives me a balance of a support and aggressive character and has done me well so far. It's all up to you, once you do it, there is no turning back.
edit* 2nd or 3rd page in characters and skills forum.
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:48 pm
by Pericles
Go Pure Int!!!, you are in lvl 30, thats why happen.
My cleric which is 62, could kill with ease nukers.
Hhmm i think that must learn all warlock skills and try to do an strategic attack with warlock, could be 1st stun, then start to curse like a maniac, and then use reflect and vampire kiss, or the basic life steal which could make disease.
Just get more lvl and "study" your skills.
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:53 pm
by the_wicked
sama98b wrote:hybrid euro = shittiest decision ever
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Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:13 pm
by Dark520
Why can't people who have never even played a Euro char just be banned from posting here...sigh...
Anyway, yes, hybrid is a good idea in my opinion. As Berto said above, going hybrid(I would recommend going from about 80-85% balance) gives you just enough time to tank and kill, without dying yourself. To be honest, I've seen Berto PvP before, and the only class I've ever seen him lose an even fight with is a XBow rogue, but that's only because he can't get close enough to attack them in time.
So yes, I would recommend a hybrid... and for the record, I would recommend being hybrid for any Int Euro.
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:15 pm
by whitesnow
Pure int with 2 warriors, 2 clerics, 2bards, and 1 wizard in your party.
Notice how party is bolded
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:02 pm
by thAi
Decide whether you wanna go hybrid or not once you play at 64.
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:19 pm
by AkillerNXC
Well, yeah it would make sense. Hybrid isn't THAT bad for euros, the way people says it is. Especially wizards, it doesn't take 30k+ dmg to kill someone, 20k works just fine. Warlocks with stun + sleep are almost invicible, so going hybrids possible, but I've never seen a hybrid warlock, so I wouldn't really know. Worth a try though, but I wouldn't go less then 85% mag balance naked. With good gear you could get right at or just over 100%. That would work fine.
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:30 pm
by -.-
dark520... i've never seen a high lvl warlock lose to people of same lvl that don't have sox or rogue/wizard even without being hybrid...
warlocks are damn good on 1vs1 because you cant kill someone if you spend 80% time kb, 80% stun, 80% sleep while having debuffs and dots on you
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:40 pm
by Het1337
whitesnow wrote:Pure int with 2 warriors, 2 clerics, 2bards, and 1 wizard in your party.
Notice how party is bolded
a good party yes, but -1 bard and +1 wiz would be better
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:02 pm
by whitesnow
Het1337 wrote:whitesnow wrote:Pure int with 2 warriors, 2 clerics, 2bards, and 1 wizard in your party.
Notice how party is bolded
a good party yes, but -1 bard and +1 wiz would be better
Yea lets have an extra wizard rather than +34% damage or absorption or healing power for the entire party
You could go with 1 warrior instead, to add in a wizard. 2 people should be able to sub cleric for the bless shield =P
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:18 pm
by whiteforest
Het1337 wrote:whitesnow wrote:Pure int with 2 warriors, 2 clerics, 2bards, and 1 wizard in your party.
Notice how party is bolded
a good party yes, but -1 bard and +1 wiz would be better
Yeh, depends on whether you want more damage or dance (phys/mag absorption).
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:52 am
by Malicious
BakaFish wrote:Why not ask Molecyle? I'm sure he knows more and he's in your guild.
I did, he told me he put 47 Str into it and he rocks without having a perfect blue full +5 set. Imagine with it? Damn. XxLoupxX put even more Str so he has more HP, or I think he has full geared. Anyways, imma stay pure int until level 70 and decide whether or not I should put 30 Str point. I guess time will tell.
BTW, I joined White_Lotus with my Str glavier. Im in the guild along with you.
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:28 am
by torinchibi
Well, neither a warlock nor a cleric's job is to do dmg, so there would be nothing wrong with going hybrid. I would like to mention that if you run out of mp in a mass PvP, you would realize why warlocks and clerics go pure int. In 1 vs 1, who cares if you have 5k less MP, the opponent won't last too long anyway. In a mass PvP, unless there is a bard around you, you are in trouble. Dots and nukes doing less dmg should also be considered, but really for a warlock and a cleric (although clerics need the mp for healing and int for offering) going hybrid might be a good choice. Not super heavy hybrid though. 47 int sounds like 70/70 hybrid.
BTW, none of you guys seem to have any actual experience in partying..take away a warrior for a wizard? 34% more dmg? Are you serious? It's not like your wizard is killing sun bladers all the time to need 34% more dmg... 2 clerics is what should be going down. 1 cleric is plenty, you just need 1-2 more people with cleric sub so they can rez.
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:36 am
by bakafish
[MS]Malicious wrote:BakaFish wrote:Why not ask Molecyle? I'm sure he knows more and he's in your guild.
I did, he told me he put 47 Str into it and he rocks without having a perfect blue full +5 set. Imagine with it? Damn. XxLoupxX put even more Str so he has more HP, or I think he has full geared. Anyways, imma stay pure int until level 70 and decide whether or not I should put 30 Str point. I guess time will tell.
BTW, I joined White_Lotus with my Str glavier. Im in the guild along with you.
Crap, lol. I don't know then, Molecyle and XxLoupxX is not bad with Hybrid, though I still suggest pure INT for maximum damage output.
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:49 am
by Malicious
BakaFish wrote:[MS]Malicious wrote:BakaFish wrote:Why not ask Molecyle? I'm sure he knows more and he's in your guild.
I did, he told me he put 47 Str into it and he rocks without having a perfect blue full +5 set. Imagine with it? Damn. XxLoupxX put even more Str so he has more HP, or I think he has full geared. Anyways, imma stay pure int until level 70 and decide whether or not I should put 30 Str point. I guess time will tell.
BTW, I joined White_Lotus with my Str glavier. Im in the guild along with you.
Crap, lol. I don't know then, Molecyle and XxLoupxX is not bad with Hybrid, though I still suggest pure INT for maximum damage output.
I was hanging out with Mole for a few hours and his damage isn't bad at all. He did offering on _Genevara_ for 35k. So the damage is no problem at all. He also killed some other good players with warlock curses, hidden, and it's "baby" nuke.
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:01 am
by bakafish
Warlock tears Chinese apart as they are not immuned to any curses at all, nothing new there. Too bad Holy Spell makes you immuned to more than half of the debuffs, such as Dull, Division, Impotent, Decay, Weaken but not Bleed and Stun.
Heh, his Pure Offering can only do 25k to me though, not enough to kill me even with +7 rod.
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:57 am
by Embodiment
All Euro's should Be Pure this goes for Str and Int.
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:33 am
by Malicious
BakaFish wrote:Warlock tears Chinese apart as they are not immuned to any curses at all, nothing new there. Too bad Holy Spell makes you immuned to more than half of the debuffs, such as Dull, Division, Impotent, Decay, Weaken but not Bleed and Stun.
Heh, his Pure Offering can only do 25k to me though, not enough to kill me even with +7 rod.
Ive seen him hit you for 37k before, or at least it was someone using offering. If he curses you, you'll die for sure though.
Re: [Euro] Hybrid Discussion
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:55 pm
by bakafish
[MS]Malicious wrote:BakaFish wrote:Warlock tears Chinese apart as they are not immuned to any curses at all, nothing new there. Too bad Holy Spell makes you immuned to more than half of the debuffs, such as Dull, Division, Impotent, Decay, Weaken but not Bleed and Stun.
Heh, his Pure Offering can only do 25k to me though, not enough to kill me even with +7 rod.
Ive seen him hit you for 37k before, or at least it was someone using offering. If he curses you, you'll die for sure though.
Robes FTW, you can try cursing, he did.