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im wondering if someone has bard skilltree as main?

does it work?
do these mag def/att buffs phy def/att buffs work good?
bard usefull for grinding pt´s?

any guides about bard? (as main) (i saw the bard guide in the sticky, but that are only the skills..)

Well I had a wizard/bard, but I got all the attack skills for bard. It does decent damage and between the temptation and other skills it really is a fun class to play with. PvP wise, I'm not sure.

you didnt have any deff or att buffs?

They attack fast and good damage. I know a bard/cleric and she pwns all the npc thieves in trade runs before im even able to click em. Also they can jump damage when the dance is on which makes em pretty unique characters.

only positive posts? no one saying bard $uck xD
why arent there much bards (as main i mean, not just for mov speed/noise)

Well I've seen one post that said he didn't want to be a bard because of using a harp as a weapon. I really don't know to be honest. Most full ints prefer max damage (wizards). Also bards can't hold shields, which makes their defense just as low as a wizard, except wizards can do more damage.

ontaria wrote:Well I've seen one post that said he didn't want to be a bard because of using a harp as a weapon. I really don't know to be honest. Most full ints prefer max damage (wizards). Also bards can't hold shields, which makes their defense just as low as a wizard, except wizards can do more damage.

true..most people don't want to be a bard because it looks "gay" >_>
I think it looks really cool...and it's a shame there are so few bards around, cause they are really needed!

I'm the highest bard (as a main, not sub) in Venus. All i can say is, bard is so usefull in pt. Now we're partying at Generals and my 32% phy dmg absorb Guard tambour + mana cycle + mana wind + moving march is really needed. Especially for cleric and wizz where they need huge mp since their skill is so mp hungry.

I have some attacking skills for bard but on the AOE ones to help kill sometimes but i rarely use it because in an active pt, u will not have time for other things expect mana cycle and mana wind ppl. So it;s best for pt and kinda bad for solo. That's why i take wizzard as my sub for soloing when there;'s no pt around.

Now i'm at lvl 66 farming with 6 gaps. Got my bard and wizz skill all max fully farmed at lvl 60. My next target is to get all the skills fully farmed at lvl 70.

Why they arent many bards around? Because they dont know how important a bard is. and there;s not enough active pt where clerics spams healing like mad and wizz AOEing like hell. Trust me, when u get ur pt like this, u will see how bard's shine.

Good luck in making bard as main. Anymore question just ask here or pm me.

so bard useless for solo grind?

how hard is it to get a fine harp? think everybody sells/destroys harps :S
so only npc harps?
(how many mp you have?)
what is the most usefull buff? (you only can use 1 buff a time?)

there alright but limited attacks there respectable but boring

dont see why they are more boring as a other build..
and.. pure bard doesnt need much farming

my friend is 100% bard, nothing else and he luvs it.

i told him he should go wiz or something, but he denied it; he luvs bard too much

ok

dancing concert line useless?

whiteraven wrote:dancing concert line useless?

The Dances are awesome. We have a few high level clerics on Venus, one has a bard sub. So we'll occasionally just get him to through up Mana Tambour (so Guardia can dance), get a Dance of Magic going, then throw Guard Tambour up. The damage the wizards can do then is pretty incredible.

Yeah, on our last Yarkan kill, i did dance of healing when mobs from yarkan spawned. Then changed to dance of magic when yarkan is alone. It was so owesome!

but dances need other bards, does other bard only need harp or does he has also dance skill?

I think bards are useful. My guild on Rome needs some. I don't think we have a single one. Clerics are useful too, and most people seem to be mass-creating them, especially for FW. I think every build is useful. Some are "easier" to figure out the pros on so most people go for them. If anyone on Rome is a Bard and in need of a guild, pm me

i made a harp, (lvl 16 atm) got some positive reactions only, my name everyone says my name $ucks xD

whiteraven wrote:but dances need other bards, does other bard only need harp or does he has also dance skill?

The other bard only needs to keep a Tambour or Hit March up; because the dancing bard needs music to dance. Then the bard that dances can use a different Tambour.

The main reason why Bard isn't popular is because of their limitations in PvE.

Bard 's damage with the first attack skill isn't that bad. It is fast. The problem is that Bard do not have a useful second nuke to help back it up. Bard 's second nuke is a AoE nuke around the Bard himself. Firstly, using this skill is dangerous since it requires the bard to walk near the enemy. Secondly, it's damage is like 60-70% of a wizard 's Fire Bolt. (This is true, don't let the % written on the skill description fool you) Overall, let's conclude that Bard cannot deal as much damage as a wizard.

Other than the obvious Moving Match and Hit Match, Bard is most useful with their Guard Tumbour, Mana Tumbour and Hit Match. The problem is, Bard are required to hold on to the Harp when using these skills. As a result, the Bard is unable to deal too much damage. In a party full of European warriors, Bard is very useful since warriors need this extra defence to survive party giants. But since in most parties Chinese Bladers and Glaviers are the tankers, Bard 's defense buff become less important. To top it off, most people prefer a cleric healing their hp over a bard reducing the damage they take. Even if at the end cleric=bard, people still feels safer with a cleric in their party.


Bard is also good at regening mp for allies. But for int characters, mp is rarely the main problem. Hp is their main problem. For str characters, their skills usually do not take much mp in the first place, so mp pots are good enough. Let's just say that, most people using mp pots are ok with it. Of course, with a bard in their party, they do not even need to use mp pots so they save money. But not many people really cared.

So as you can see, other than Noise and Moving Match, all other Bard skills and functions, although useful, have their limitations in PvE. And since players spends at least 90% of their time in PvE, bards are not popular.

Of course, in PvP Bards are awesome. Guard Tombour given to Ice Shield + SOSUN armor set=>semi God Mode.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=axKFE3_sobM

I dunno what CHIPS is talking about but Weird Chord and Horror Chord can be used back to back so they really do have a second nuke. Right now on my Wizard/Bard I have up to lvl 20 Bard damage skills and with a 32 level Harp I can 2 hit Hyeoncheon. Due to the spamability and damage of the Bard attacks if they don't run up to you to so you can use Booming Chord/Wave they will probably die to Weird + Horror Chord spam. If you make a Bard/Cleric and use it like a Wizard/Cleric or Warrior/Cleric you should have no problems, especially if you also use Trambours on top of Light Armor and Bless Spell. It is a fast leveler 2 hitting most targets with Weird + Horror or Weird + Booming. The SP of a bare minimum Bard with the ability to fully function as a Dancer or Trambour spammer w/ Bard attacks and Cleric skills costs 236k SP. You get a Speed Boost, Noise, Light Armor, Recovery Division and Bless Spell to top it all off. Bard happens to barely be used though so most of the information on them is only known to a few people.(This build only contains Mana Cycle no Mana Wind and Tuning Noise/Sound isn't worth taking)

Bard as main is the only way to be bard. They are better killers than clerics, and they have about as much defense because of guard/mana tambours. They are great to have in parties too, because it's 30%+ absorption and it is free absorption and lasts forever. Great asset to a party with agro absorption active skill to help get rid of the int builds, speed buff, mana regen..which they don't really need to use much except in a party with lvl 80 wiz...and they do ok dmg and they do it pretty fast. They are like jack of all trades in a party and even awesome to have in a PvP party.

so...

bard as main, cleric sub (for recovery division) and ill pwn in pvp? ^^
wurth trying xD but then ill need more sp :o

so second question:
is it possible to farm with a harp on low lvl? 40- (without using taxies? most are scammers anyway)

BloodOwnzzz wrote:http://youtube.com/watch?v=axKFE3_sobM

Pretty bad example. That guy was killing people in 7D when he was 64.

Bards can sure spam skills a lot faster than anyone else, but their dmg cannot deliver a kill. They are support chars, like clerics, and they should focus on buffing and damage SUPPORT. In 1vs1 at cap, bards will probably lose to anyone else simply because of lack of power, and inability to heal. Sure they got their 30-40% absorption, but that will only give them an extra 2-3 hits. Bards are just not made for solo PvP. Solo PvE though, they can 2 shot their own level, and do it pretty fast, so they level faster than clerics. If clerics didn't have offering bards would be much better at doing dmg...and if we are talking dps, they still are...just not good enough to kill a chinese, or a warrior.

Im a pure bard in Uranus

PVE solo - i dont think we have much problems because i can two shot anything up to my lvl and them not hit me. I dont even use my guard tambour sometimes because mobs RARELY get to me, because i have the noise skill (harp is same lvl as me, lvl 31 with lvl 29+2 harp = can two shot lvl 31 mobs. im assuming i can one shot with my booming chord if i have an sos+3 harp)
Discord wave - removes aggro within an area up to 4 monsters (yes, giants and champs too) is one of my most important skills yet. Useful when soloing, and in parties.
PVE solo wise, i dont think bards have any problem.

Finding parties are no problem. Most parties will take you. I recover mp half of the time and buff/support, remove aggro in the other 50%

I havnt chosen a sub mastery yet (most probably cleric). because i plan on mastering and updating all bard skills at the moment, because of the lack of information on them.

torinchibi wrote:

BloodOwnzzz wrote:http://youtube.com/watch?v=axKFE3_sobM

Pretty bad example. That guy was killing people in 7D when he was 64.

Bards can sure spam skills a lot faster than anyone else, but their dmg cannot deliver a kill. They are support chars, like clerics, and they should focus on buffing and damage SUPPORT. In 1vs1 at cap, bards will probably lose to anyone else simply because of lack of power, and inability to heal. Sure they got their 30-40% absorption, but that will only give them an extra 2-3 hits. Bards are just not made for solo PvP. Solo PvE though, they can 2 shot their own level, and do it pretty fast, so they level faster than clerics. If clerics didn't have offering bards would be much better at doing dmg...and if we are talking dps, they still are...just not good enough to kill a chinese, or a warrior.

I know you don't like me and all because your wrong all the time and you think you are good or something. But you don't have to call that guys video shit especially when he only has 61 mastery. If you thought the movie was bad you shoulda came out and said it before instead of after it was bumped.

whiteraven wrote:so bard useless for solo grind?

how hard is it to get a fine harp? think everybody sells/destroys harps :S
so only npc harps?
(how many mp you have?)
what is the most usefull buff? (you only can use 1 buff a time?)

harps are easy to find. also depends on the time of day you go shopping and the server your in