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Posted: **Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:26 pm**

70:70 Or pure Str bow

Posted: **Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:28 pm**

70-70 is better for me

btw this post will bring ALOT of flames

Posted: **Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:21 pm**

Pure str...ftw.

Posted: **Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:25 pm**

vibratory wrote:70-70 is better for me

btw this post will bring ALOT of flames

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pure str is for me ^^

Posted: **Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:33 pm**

depends on your playing style tbh.

pure str for me

Posted: **Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:48 pm**

wat if u like pve more

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:07 am**

darkmaster21 wrote:Pure str...ftw.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:33 am**

JustAGuy wrote:70:70 Or pure Str bow

its not the best question to ask because most ppl will stick to what they know only like the ppl saying pure str ftw they have prolly only tryed str build for bow and they dont know what its like on the other side of the coin so its really hard to get an idea from just what someone says , try find some hard proof from each build like a video , dont judge it on sun weapons tho which is really only what u see for hybrid bow vids because theres a 99% chance most ppl wont have that all important sun weapon like in the video so ye just try look at all the info from everyone and not just from ppl who only try 1 build

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:24 am**

Braka wrote:
JustAGuy wrote:70:70 Or pure Str bow
its not the best question to ask because most ppl will stick to what they know only like the ppl saying pure str ftw they have prolly only tryed str build for bow and they dont know what its like on the other side of the coin so its really hard to get an idea from just what someone says , try find some hard proof from each build like a video , dont judge it on sun weapons tho which is really only what u see for hybrid bow vids because theres a 99% chance most ppl wont have that all important sun weapon like in the video so ye just try look at all the info from everyone and not just from ppl who only try 1 build

Good luck with that...

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:08 am**

scrantoms wrote:depends on your playing style tbh.

pure str for me

+1

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:08 am**

this question is purely biased, but still as a pure str fire archer myself 70:70 makes me jealouse, 70:70 has great damage but as far as crits not so amazing like a pure str, pure str has much more hp and a far more better critical damage. it depends on your playing style + 70:70 and making it to a 80:80 to reach full potentional is kinda hard

a LOT of blues, so also if ur funded u could make a 80:80 but if not pure, hope i helped

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:53 am**

70-70 is very bad..i already it suck..

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:08 pm**

0_t_s_l_r_K_1_T_n_A wrote:70-70 is very bad..i already it suck..

u allready played it? more info is needed on that like what lvl did u quit it at etc , below lvl 70 means nothing imo ;p

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:30 pm**

Got two bowers to 32, got them both npc gear both 0 gapped at the same skills (ice light fire and bow) both used medium pots and pills. The strength won every time. The only thing i can say is it took me one more day for the str to get to 32 than the 70:70 did. The extra hp helps a lot, the str was 1 hitting the 70:70 with a crit, which is almost 50/50 with crit arrow.

I can see this happening at level 80 too, since 80:80 only has 11k hp with full str and another 1200 from hp increase. 12k crits is no problem for me being an underfarmed str bowman (7gap) against a glavier full farmed 80. Str bow is the choice for me. Yet to see a level80, 80:80 on Zeus yet so no real proof on 80, just 32.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:05 pm**

Jackowns wrote:Got two bowers to 32, got them both npc gear both 0 gapped at the same skills (ice light fire and bow) both used medium pots and pills. The strength won every time. The only thing i can say is it took me one more day for the str to get to 32 than the 70:70 did. The extra hp helps a lot, the str was 1 hitting the 70:70 with a crit, which is almost 50/50 with crit arrow.

I can see this happening at level 80 too, since 80:80 only has 11k hp with full str and another 1200 from hp increase. 12k crits is no problem for me being an underfarmed str bowman (7gap) against a glavier full farmed 80. Str bow is the choice for me. Yet to see a level80, 80:80 on Zeus yet so no real proof on 80, just 32.

lol u cant 12k crit no fully farmed glavier unless ur using sun bow which puts everything u said out the window because not everyone has sun weapons remember

Posted: **Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:28 am**

Braka wrote:
Jackowns wrote:Got two bowers to 32, got them both npc gear both 0 gapped at the same skills (ice light fire and bow) both used medium pots and pills. The strength won every time. The only thing i can say is it took me one more day for the str to get to 32 than the 70:70 did. The extra hp helps a lot, the str was 1 hitting the 70:70 with a crit, which is almost 50/50 with crit arrow.

I can see this happening at level 80 too, since 80:80 only has 11k hp with full str and another 1200 from hp increase. 12k crits is no problem for me being an underfarmed str bowman (7gap) against a glavier full farmed 80. Str bow is the choice for me. Yet to see a level80, 80:80 on Zeus yet so no real proof on 80, just 32.
lol u cant 12k crit no fully farmed glavier unless ur using sun bow which puts everything u said out the window because not everyone has sun weapons remember

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wj1L59rEAkg

:58 seconds 10k crit on fully farmed glavier with just +5 bow, so 12k is definitely possible without a sun bow.

Posted: **Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:44 am**

kevv wrote:
Braka wrote:
Jackowns wrote:Got two bowers to 32, got them both npc gear both 0 gapped at the same skills (ice light fire and bow) both used medium pots and pills. The strength won every time. The only thing i can say is it took me one more day for the str to get to 32 than the 70:70 did. The extra hp helps a lot, the str was 1 hitting the 70:70 with a crit, which is almost 50/50 with crit arrow.

I can see this happening at level 80 too, since 80:80 only has 11k hp with full str and another 1200 from hp increase. 12k crits is no problem for me being an underfarmed str bowman (7gap) against a glavier full farmed 80. Str bow is the choice for me. Yet to see a level80, 80:80 on Zeus yet so no real proof on 80, just 32.
lol u cant 12k crit no fully farmed glavier unless ur using sun bow which puts everything u said out the window because not everyone has sun weapons remember

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wj1L59rEAkg

:58 seconds 10k crit on fully farmed glavier with just +5 bow, so 12k is definitely possible without a sun bow.

i stand corrected :roll:

Posted: **Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:39 am**

Jackowns wrote:Got two bowers to 32, got them both npc gear both 0 gapped at the same skills (ice light fire and bow) both used medium pots and pills. The strength won every time. The only thing i can say is it took me one more day for the str to get to 32 than the 70:70 did. The extra hp helps a lot, the str was 1 hitting the 70:70 with a crit, which is almost 50/50 with crit arrow.

I can see this happening at level 80 too, since 80:80 only has 11k hp with full str and another 1200 from hp increase. 12k crits is no problem for me being an underfarmed str bowman (7gap) against a glavier full farmed 80. Str bow is the choice for me. Yet to see a level80, 80:80 on Zeus yet so no real proof on 80, just 32.

-First of all what npc set both wear ? did you made protector for the 70:70 or just was garment ?

-Second .. you can't judge 70:70 at lvl 32 at all .. he don't have 3 skills with bonus (350%yet) (they are only 2 now) ..

-Third .. at 80 both can't get all : fire-light-cold-bow .. every character will have it's own masteries will be more diff ..

-4th .. 70:70 bow will use snow shiled 40% so your 12k crit will do only 7.2 k damge on him when your strong bow crit .. he will do 11 k crit on you .. Pure str bow die in 1 crit from rogue but hybrid don't .. :wink:

-5th .. 70:70 have +13k not 12k HP ..

Posted: **Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:12 am**

Braka wrote:
kevv wrote:
Braka wrote:
Jackowns wrote:Got two bowers to 32, got them both npc gear both 0 gapped at the same skills (ice light fire and bow) both used medium pots and pills. The strength won every time. The only thing i can say is it took me one more day for the str to get to 32 than the 70:70 did. The extra hp helps a lot, the str was 1 hitting the 70:70 with a crit, which is almost 50/50 with crit arrow.

I can see this happening at level 80 too, since 80:80 only has 11k hp with full str and another 1200 from hp increase. 12k crits is no problem for me being an underfarmed str bowman (7gap) against a glavier full farmed 80. Str bow is the choice for me. Yet to see a level80, 80:80 on Zeus yet so no real proof on 80, just 32.
lol u cant 12k crit no fully farmed glavier unless ur using sun bow which puts everything u said out the window because not everyone has sun weapons remember

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wj1L59rEAkg

:58 seconds 10k crit on fully farmed glavier with just +5 bow, so 12k is definitely possible without a sun bow.
i stand in corrected

Fixed.

Posted: **Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:09 am**

Braka wrote:
0_t_s_l_r_K_1_T_n_A wrote:70-70 is very bad..i already it suck..
u allready played it? more info is needed on that like what lvl did u quit it at etc , below lvl 70 means nothing imo ;p

It doesn't suck. Really good build. But at lvl 90, it'll be horrible due to masteries messing it up. I was lvl 75. So I guess it counts for me?

Posted: **Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:09 pm**

im still stuck on which to pick like topic starter , but i wont make another topic about it

i would like to do ice imbue for next cap since the fire shield should be fixed by then but then i cant do fire or light hmm any ideas? i know fire is needed for pure str

Posted: **Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:53 pm**

DiabolicBow wrote:
Braka wrote:
0_t_s_l_r_K_1_T_n_A wrote:70-70 is very bad..i already it suck..
u allready played it? more info is needed on that like what lvl did u quit it at etc , below lvl 70 means nothing imo ;p

But at lvl 90, it'll be horrible due to masteries messing it up.

Yup Yup.

That's why I am Pure Str Bow

Posted: **Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:53 pm**

Jackowns wrote:Got two bowers to 32, got them both npc gear both 0 gapped at the same skills (ice light fire and bow) both used medium pots and pills. The strength won every time. The only thing i can say is it took me one more day for the str to get to 32 than the 70:70 did. The extra hp helps a lot, the str was 1 hitting the 70:70 with a crit, which is almost 50/50 with crit arrow.

I can see this happening at level 80 too, since 80:80 only has 11k hp with full str and another 1200 from hp increase. 12k crits is no problem for me being an underfarmed str bowman (7gap) against a glavier full farmed 80. Str bow is the choice for me. Yet to see a level80, 80:80 on Zeus yet so no real proof on 80, just 32.

Are you sure about what your saying?
80 80 bower can hit evenhigh like pure str!! just look at my forum, use the Search helper, and look my name, with mana shield i have even much hp like pure str, and i cant be kill in 1 crit if i wear protector!!! iam lv 52 80 80 bower in garms and i can kill lv 55 glavier IN GARMS!! normal +3/+4 gear normal blues. just fully farmed (^_^) sos +3 bow, C8, ice imbue ftw with pvping... i hope u know, I have more change to kill pure str because i have to much hp for pure str glaviers to beat me, i have range, and i do more dmgto them, they cant tank me(only som/sun gear (^_^) ) in same gear, 80 80 bower is the perfect build for pvp...... only weak ness is int hybrid s/s...

Posted: **Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:57 pm**

marckillz91 wrote:
Jackowns wrote:Got two bowers to 32, got them both npc gear both 0 gapped at the same skills (ice light fire and bow) both used medium pots and pills. The strength won every time. The only thing i can say is it took me one more day for the str to get to 32 than the 70:70 did. The extra hp helps a lot, the str was 1 hitting the 70:70 with a crit, which is almost 50/50 with crit arrow.

I can see this happening at level 80 too, since 80:80 only has 11k hp with full str and another 1200 from hp increase. 12k crits is no problem for me being an underfarmed str bowman (7gap) against a glavier full farmed 80. Str bow is the choice for me. Yet to see a level80, 80:80 on Zeus yet so no real proof on 80, just 32.

Are you sure about what your saying?
80 80 bower can hit evenhigh like pure str!! just look at my forum, use the Search helper, and look my name, with mana shield i have even much hp like pure str, and i cant be kill in 1 crit if i wear protector!!! iam lv 52 80 80 bower in garms and i can kill lv 55 glavier IN GARMS!! normal +3/+4 gear normal blues. just fully farmed (^_^) sos +3 bow, C8, ice imbue ftw with pvping... i hope u know, I have more change to kill pure str because i have to much hp for pure str glaviers to beat me, i have range, and i do more dmgto them, they cant tank me(only som/sun gear (^_^) ) in same gear, 80 80 bower is the perfect build for pvp...... only weak ness is int hybrid s/s...

Dude we all know that...more INT more "damage per hit" BUT a 70:70 bowers crits are weaker than a Pure STR's crits because they have less Physical Damage (more str more phy. dmg.). And since bowmans get tons of crits (2 skills increase crit chance) if you have powerful crits (being pure str) then you can own any build.

Posted: **Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:57 pm**

kevv wrote:
Braka wrote:
kevv wrote:
Braka wrote:
Jackowns wrote:Got two bowers to 32, got them both npc gear both 0 gapped at the same skills (ice light fire and bow) both used medium pots and pills. The strength won every time. The only thing i can say is it took me one more day for the str to get to 32 than the 70:70 did. The extra hp helps a lot, the str was 1 hitting the 70:70 with a crit, which is almost 50/50 with crit arrow.

I can see this happening at level 80 too, since 80:80 only has 11k hp with full str and another 1200 from hp increase. 12k crits is no problem for me being an underfarmed str bowman (7gap) against a glavier full farmed 80. Str bow is the choice for me. Yet to see a level80, 80:80 on Zeus yet so no real proof on 80, just 32.
lol u cant 12k crit no fully farmed glavier unless ur using sun bow which puts everything u said out the window because not everyone has sun weapons remember

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wj1L59rEAkg

:58 seconds 10k crit on fully farmed glavier with just +5 bow, so 12k is definitely possible without a sun bow.
i stand in corrected

Fixed.

Nope, if u can hit 10k crit on pure str, u CANT crit 10K on int :wink:

on pure str do you hit more then int build

Posted: **Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:36 pm**

marckillz91 wrote:
kevv wrote:
Braka wrote:
kevv wrote:
Braka wrote:
Jackowns wrote:Got two bowers to 32, got them both npc gear both 0 gapped at the same skills (ice light fire and bow) both used medium pots and pills. The strength won every time. The only thing i can say is it took me one more day for the str to get to 32 than the 70:70 did. The extra hp helps a lot, the str was 1 hitting the 70:70 with a crit, which is almost 50/50 with crit arrow.

I can see this happening at level 80 too, since 80:80 only has 11k hp with full str and another 1200 from hp increase. 12k crits is no problem for me being an underfarmed str bowman (7gap) against a glavier full farmed 80. Str bow is the choice for me. Yet to see a level80, 80:80 on Zeus yet so no real proof on 80, just 32.
lol u cant 12k crit no fully farmed glavier unless ur using sun bow which puts everything u said out the window because not everyone has sun weapons remember

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wj1L59rEAkg

:58 seconds 10k crit on fully farmed glavier with just +5 bow, so 12k is definitely possible without a sun bow.
i stand in corrected

Fixed.

Nope, if u can hit 10k crit on pure str, u CANT crit 10K on int on pure str do you hit more then int build

I do believe he said fully farmed glavier and I don't recall saying you can hit 10k on an int, so what are you trying to say? Either way a 7k crit + normal hit = dead int.

Posted: **Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:28 am**

kevv wrote:
marckillz91 wrote:
kevv wrote:
Braka wrote:
kevv wrote:
Braka wrote:
Jackowns wrote:Got two bowers to 32, got them both npc gear both 0 gapped at the same skills (ice light fire and bow) both used medium pots and pills. The strength won every time. The only thing i can say is it took me one more day for the str to get to 32 than the 70:70 did. The extra hp helps a lot, the str was 1 hitting the 70:70 with a crit, which is almost 50/50 with crit arrow.

I can see this happening at level 80 too, since 80:80 only has 11k hp with full str and another 1200 from hp increase. 12k crits is no problem for me being an underfarmed str bowman (7gap) against a glavier full farmed 80. Str bow is the choice for me. Yet to see a level80, 80:80 on Zeus yet so no real proof on 80, just 32.
lol u cant 12k crit no fully farmed glavier unless ur using sun bow which puts everything u said out the window because not everyone has sun weapons remember

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wj1L59rEAkg

:58 seconds 10k crit on fully farmed glavier with just +5 bow, so 12k is definitely possible without a sun bow.
i stand in corrected

Fixed.

Nope, if u can hit 10k crit on pure str, u CANT crit 10K on int on pure str do you hit more then int build

I do believe he said fully farmed glavier and I don't recall saying you can hit 10k on an int, so what are you trying to say? Either way a 7k crit + normal hit = dead int.

yes, with NPC gear its possible just watch this video watch how much crit/hit kaWs on str glavie an int spear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PnCT7-5OAI

on a str glavie with anti devil he crit 7k and on a int s/s 4.6k WTF? 10k isnt possible onlyNPC gear :wink:

Posted: **Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:00 am**

hellslasher wrote:this question is purely biased, but still as a pure str fire archer myself 70:70 makes me jealouse, 70:70 has great damage but as far as crits not so amazing like a pure str, pure str has much more hp and a far more better critical damage. it depends on your playing style + 70:70 and making it to a 80:80 to reach full potentional is kinda hard a LOT of blues, so also if ur funded u could make a 80:80 but if not pure, hope i helped

ok ?? how can the crit suck on a 70-70 when they are using 70% of phy and 70 og mag and a pure str is using like 93% phy and 30 odd % mag

Posted: **Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:18 pm**

Pure STR defnitly.

Posted: **Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:50 pm**

on a str glavie with anti devil he crit 7k and on a int s/s 4.6k WTF? 10k isnt possible onlyNPC gear

KAWS hit 11 k crit strong bow on pure str glaviers when he was not fully farmed ... anti devil isn't the main skill to 70:70 build as 250% is weak for hybrid that need max damge from non-crit hits ..

Damge done by: 70:70 -----------------------------Pure STR
last strong bow : 8k damge -------------------------6.5k damge
last strong bow : 11k crit damge -------------------13k crit damge
2nd strong bow : 7k damge -------------------------5.5k damge
2nd strong bow : 10k crit damge -------------------11k crit damge
last devil arrow : 8k damge -------------------------6.5k damge
last devil arrow : 11k crit damge -------------------13k crit damge
last Anti-devil ::: 5.5k damge -----------------------5k damge
last anti-devil ::: 8k crit damge ---------------------10k crit damge
2nd anti-devil ::: 5 k damge ------------------------ 4k damge
2nd anti-devil ::: 7.5 crit damge---------------------8k crit damge

So if you compared 70:70 to pure str it will be :
============================================
last Strong bow --> Strong bow --> devil arrow No crit (70:70)
8k --> 7k --> 8k (total 23k damge)

VS

Anti-devil --> Anti-devil --> last Strong bow 1 crit (pure str)
10k crit --> 4k --> 6.5 (total 20.5k damge)
Or
5k --> 4k --> 13k crit (total 22k damge)
============================================
last Strong bow --> Strong bow --> devil arrow 1 crit (70:70)
11k crit --> 7k --> 8k (total 26k damge)

VS

Anti-devil --> Anti-devil --> last Strong bow 2 crit (pure str)
10k crit --> 8k crit --> 6k (total 24 k damge)
Or
5k --> 8k crit --> 13k crit (total 26 k damge)
Or
10k crit --> 4k --> 13k crit (total 27 k damge )
============================================

So as you see 70:70 do always better damge even against pure str crit and the only chance for pure str to make higher damge is to get 3 crit or get (last anti-devil + last strong bow ) to crit .. and it will not be a lot better ...

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