Rogues

Lunia · Post by **Lunia** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:06 pm

Euro rogue characters seem really strong i have a level 21 rogue...

and i can kill level 25's...

but...

still the mages poon up my character

does this mean that mages are going to be the best palyers?

cause it so annoying getting killed in 1 shot by some one who have 500hp...

i mean i could kill em in seconds, but their attacks at level 20 do like 2k damamge on me...

Do we stand a chance?

Selan88 · Post by **Selan88** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:59 pm

you can oneshot them too. so it all depends on the first hit. with stealth and invisible you wont be able to see each other anyway. mages can detect stealth but only if you come close to him. so if hes lucky he will see and oneshot you. but on the other hand mages have to recast invisible all 20 seconds so if he lags and you can see him while he is casting it you have a chance to kill him as well.
imagine you were a warlock/cleric like me and you cant do anything against rogues or mages unless you can survive their first hits, which wont happen as pure int against same lvl rogues/mages.

Boontang · Post by **Boontang** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:48 pm

I hate how you write your posts.

Rogues are better in PVE and PVP. Don't start fights outside of duel...thats all there is to it.

Double_D · Post by **Double_D** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:04 am

farm more and get both xbow and dagger skills so against wizards u can use xbow and one shot them before they even see you

elnawawi · Post by **elnawawi** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:22 pm

Rogue in extreme or DD VS wizard with no life control
Rogue 1 hit wizard
wizard 1 hit rogue

Rogue with no extreme nor DD VS wizard with life control :
rogue 1 hit wizards
wizard Can't 1 hit rogue (he do it only when he get that (+435%) with 11 sec load time skill at high lvls)

Rogue with no extreme nor DD VS wizard with no life control :
Rogue 1 hit wizards
wizard can't 1 hit rogue ever

Rogue in extreme bow or dagger D. VS wizard in life control
Rogue 1 hit wizard with fastest shot he have ... (he can 1 hit wizards + 24 lvl than him ... my lvl 42 1 hit lvl 66 wizards when they use life control because they have 2 k HP only and my long shot(+320%) do that damge on them ... and dagger have more damge than x-bow so i think he can 1 hit +30 lvl wizard .. and if crit i think he can kill + 40 lvl wizards in life control

)
wizard 1 hit rogue

And notice that :
Crossbow > wizard > dagger (in range) ..

So be aware thatdagger have more problem with all int builds because of range and al int builds have great problems with crossbow

torinchibi · Post by **torinchibi** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:13 pm

elnawawi wrote:Rogue in extreme or DD VS wizard with no life control
Rogue 1 hit wizard
wizard 1 hit rogue

Rogue with no extreme nor DD VS wizard with life control :
rogue 1 hit wizards
wizard Can't 1 hit rogue (he do it only when he get that (+435%) with 11 sec load time skill at high lvls)

Rogue with no extreme nor DD VS wizard with no life control :
Rogue 1 hit wizards
wizard can't 1 hit rogue ever

Rogue in extreme bow or dagger D. VS wizard in life control
Rogue 1 hit wizard with fastest shot he have ... (he can 1 hit wizards + 24 lvl than him ... my lvl 42 1 hit lvl 66 wizards when they use life control because they have 2 k HP only and my long shot(+320%) do that damge on them ... and dagger have more damge than x-bow so i think he can 1 hit +30 lvl wizard .. and if crit i think he can kill + 40 lvl wizards in life control )
wizard 1 hit rogue

And notice that :
Crossbow > wizard > dagger (in range) ..

So be aware thatdagger have more problem with all int builds because of range and al int builds have great problems with crossbow

Without the buffs, it's pretty much 2 shots from both sides... it's never really more than 3 shots unless they both have cleric subclasses and use bless spell. With crappy sets it's 1 shot, buffs or not. With a crit from the rogue, it's 1 shot even with a pretty nice set, but not if it's +5 set with close to max str and HP blues.

GatoradeR · Post by **GatoradeR** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:26 am

Knockback shot and then fast shot...my bro used it all the time with his rogue and well....didn't look pretty to watch him fight wizs at all xD

elnawawi · Post by **elnawawi** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:24 am

Without the buffs, it's pretty much 2 shots from both sides

No ... wrong ...
Both with no buffs :

wizard in 1 skill do about 40~60% HP of the rogue (Fire bolt) ..
rogue in 1 skill will do 90~120% HP of the wizard .. (long shot ~ prick)

If rogue healed good amount of HP between the first and second hit (2nd hit is longer cast time) he can survive the second too and wizard need to make 3 hits to kill him ..

If the rogue is crossbow and he know that there is a chance come from attack rating to not 1 hit wizard he easily will press "fast shot" and fast shot arrive on the target 0.2 sec before the main attack ... even in fully pimped +5 set any wizard will die in (long shot + fast shot) .. and they already can't tank 1 prick even with sun set ..