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Do u guys think 70:70 spear cud work? because i'm L80 FULL FARMED EVERY SKILL, pacheon,ice,light and L60 fire, all my gear +4/5 with 44 str bonus and 52 int bonus, 12.5k hp, bow is +5 crit 10, mag 80%, phy 61% max blues, i just finish farming today and i fought a L80 pure int S/S with garms dnt think he was farmed, he killed me easy with nuke den KD and etc......., i literally died after 2 KDs, so fast, not fought glaive yet but i had a taste of one, i think he had sun garm pieces cz he tanked another max farm glaive and me same time and killed us both lol, with +7 glaive. But this build fully farmed right now seriously feels weak and useless. Any ideas on 70:70 spear build?

look for kaWs

*EDIT*search for Kaws on youtube, and look at his spear movies

kaws's video isnt as gud as the second one, kaws only fight ppl that are not full farm whislt hes fully farm himself. So doesnt show much, but still gud video.

I still believe that for 70:70 is better 80 fire 60 light than 60 fire 80 light. I cant test it but Im sure that the strongest imbue+phys dmg buff make hit stronger with fire (even when you loose 2% of mag dmg) adn you will have much better defence. On another post it was discussed that hybrid bow has more problem with int and hyb int than with glavies. I dont know if you use prot or garment, but prot+low level fire is a too bad mag defence.


About 70:70 spear, that build is really close to the already prove as succesfull 1:2 int spear, so I think that you will have no problem like that. I just recomend you that before deleveling all pacheon tree try on delevel light to 60 and increasing fire to 80 and test it.

Well im not gonna argue 'bout the vids i made with kaWs(if farmed or not blah blah, it would ruin the topic)
Anyway...i've had both 70:70 bow and 70:70 spear, and my experience is that the bow does slightly more dmg but dies alot faster. I think that spear fits better by a 70:70 build since you do nice dmg(alot more than full str glaive) and you can still tank nice since you have around 15k HP. For bow the only things proven that fits is full str so far, but im sure that there has to be a balance with bow that is better than full str

Ice_Warrior wrote: because i'm L80 FULL FARMED EVERY SKILL, pacheon,ice,light and L60 fire, all my gear +4/5 with 44 str bonus and 52 int bonus, 12.5k hp, bow is +5 crit 10, mag 80%, phy 61% max blues,

lol, little dramatic there buddy, sure your lvl 80? WITH FULL SUN OMG DUDE! calm down ok.....

and kaws is using SUN prot/armour in dat vid right? and the new bow restriction on stop ppl using 2 books of strong bow rly takes the piss, i end up running out of skills and forced to sue combo too often, and devil arrow has a rly loooooooong charge up, rly doest work with 2 books strong bow. About the 80 fire and 60 light, i rly dnt reccomend dropping light, maybe ice but cz lightning increase amg attk buff, and also in fire mastery the extra phy dmg does nothing, wen i put it on its same dmg as if it was off. But i'm not de lvling ice and get fire agen, i rly dnt see the point anymre, i'll just use ice and wear garms. And is it worth getting lgith nuke to sue as a open skill or get dragon flow instead?

lol corkscrew, seriusly, wait til ur L80 farmed and den find out ur build sux azz, it cannot kill any build, even if they have 9 gap, its just pot war even though ur fully farmed, if u can't afford a +5 weap or above , dnt make 70:70 bow, sry double post.

i am lvl 80, i am fully farmed, i do have a +7 spear, my build is amazing, my build could kick your ass, you do suck balls, you do not have any balls =O, any questions?

P.S. you type little a little girl, mmmk, now go draw with ur cranz

man wtf?! i didnt mean you, i was making an expression on myself -.-" cz my build rly suked ass after 2 months of farming, plz dnt flame or this thread will close.

imo, go pure int s/s, KICK ASS, 60 cold, 80 light, 80 fire (damage) and 80 sword, mmmhmmm

u not guna get maxed snow shield O.o, by 90 cap ur guna have like 25% snow shield................

you have your shield, you dont need it that bad, i only say this because with the new euros, they have a physical buff, and its just as good as mana shield, and since i have a sword nuker and a wiz cleric same lvl, they can buff each other, so i use the ones that i dont use for cold on fire for the extra damage, cuz youll need it with the s/s

O.o i cudnt understand what u do with ur 2 chars but it sounded it works lol, lets keep on topic, wot u think on 70:70 spear?

i think it will be awful, spear is best for a hybrid play, and with 70 70, itll like being a blader with no shield, medium health, and medium damage, except bladers have great health, i dont think it will work at all honestly

u do kno 70:70 is hbyrid int? its almsot 2:1 int but with little mre hp and little less dmg, 1:1 doesnt make 70:70.

yup, u still need more int though, its too weak for spear

well ur at some point depending ur dmg on sum of ur crits, and ur crits do like 2.5k mre dmg, with the spears high crit rate i think it cud work, but not sure will it be gud with +5 spear............

then it all depends on gear, still dont think its gonna be goosd tho, hang on, brb in like 5 minutes

i cnt afford rly gud stuff but i can afford +5 wep max blues high crit etc......... has any1 tried this build b4 with normal +5 stuff? i have 44 str bonus and 52 int bonus on my gears..........

i fought a L80 pure int S/S with garms dnt think he was farmed, he killed me easy with nuke den KD and etc......., i literally died after 2 KDs, so fast

Hey man .. you cry in all SRF because you can't kill pure int in garment with shield .. calm down calm, down man ... that's not mean your build sux at all ..

your build do damge 70% of it come from mag attack ... and against pure int + garment + shield you can't do great damge ... that build is demon for you .. but don't care ,, just go and play with normal and logical builds like pure str glavier and bower in garment and pure int s/s and spear ... And plz don't think that you made a super man with +4, +5 bow to try kill +7 glavie and sun items ..

And why you cry and say this build sux when die in 4 skills in row ?!
- Pure str glavier should die by 4 skills from hybrid 70:70 in same lvl , gear , weapon , and skills lvl .. ask glavie he did that alreay in fair pvp (although he have not 2 skills with 350% and have no KB or stun or crit in strong bow !)
- Pure str glavier with sun set die in 5 skills from pure int s/s light/force nuker .. (I watched that already in you tube)
- pure INT s/s die in 1 skill from hybrid glavier .. (3 skills if they are + 7 lvls with new degree set and shield ) ..
- Pure str bow die in 3~4 skills from die in 3~4 skills from 70:70 bow ..
- Pure str Bow in garment die in 2~3 non-crit skills from crossbow ..
- pure str glavier die in 2~3 skills from crossbow
- pure str glavier with 21 K HP (and off course pure str bower) die in 1 hit from prick crit (dagger)..
- pure str blader die in 2~3 skills from dagger
- all euro and chinese INT builds die in 1 hit from crossbow or dagger non crit and wizards too
- rogue/wizard die in 1 hit (in extreme mode) from all builds ..
- 8 glaviers sun set die in 1 pure offering from cleric ..

Why we don';t say all these builds sucks as they die fast ?

elnawawi wrote:

i fought a L80 pure int S/S with garms dnt think he was farmed, he killed me easy with nuke den KD and etc......., i literally died after 2 KDs, so fast

- pure str glavier with 21 K HP (and off course pure str bower) die in 1 hit from prick crit (dagger)..

wtf?

The only thing to consider and the thing that add some weakness for the hybrid bow is that you can't use 2 strong bow and devil arrow take too long to cast .. that's not fair at all ...

If they wanna limit strong bow with 1 book to use so they should limit all these skills with 1 book :
- soul spear
- ghost spear
- KD
- stab
- chains
- fire nukes

And also should limit the best skill for str bow (anti-devil)

But I think that 3rd fire nuke will do decent damge as it's (+330%) from the strogest side of the build .. you may use it instead of the 2nd strong bow we lost ..

3rd fire nuke mean you need fire maxed instead of light .. and decrease light mean less mag attack .. but fire mean more mag def and phy attack and stronger imbue ...

That's need new calculates .... mmmm

try sword/shield 1:2 or 70:70...i dun say it good but who knows^^

dont let undutcable change to sword and then all of u follow

have you guys build a char according to the phy and mag properties of the weapon used? i think that will help the maximum the damage done to your opponent.

on the other hand, damage done is relative to the type of def clothing worn, so every build type has it's uniqueness.

MyraSchr wrote:have you guys build a char according to the phy and mag properties of the weapon used? i think that will help the maximum the damage done to your opponent.

on the other hand, damage done is relative to the type of def clothing worn, so every build type has it's uniqueness.

yes , i made them on papers only ... but till this moment i can't trust my formula as i ignored something that will be important for every build .. also i don't know the accurate damge formula to calculate the damge you deal when use skill+imbue ..

UnDutchable wrote:Well im not gonna argue 'bout the vids i made with kaWs(if farmed or not blah blah, it would ruin the topic)
Anyway...i've had both 70:70 bow and 70:70 spear, and my experience is that the bow does slightly more dmg but dies alot faster. I think that spear fits better by a 70:70 build since you do nice dmg(alot more than full str glaive) and you can still tank nice since you have around 15k HP. For bow the only things proven that fits is full str so far, but im sure that there has to be a balance with bow that is better than full str

Amen. No one believed me when i said i could beat a 70:70 in 40% snow shield.

UnDutchable wrote: but im sure that there has to be a balance with bow that is better than full str

Yeah here you have the best bow build lol
around 3:1 hybrid str

http://youtube.com/user/liquidsmoothALPS

And about you saying bow dies faster. You got range, use it ...

baka u sed u cud 1 hit crit one, there is no way cud u 1 hit 70:70 bow even with sun +9, and i PVP a lot mre with my 70:70 bow and they rly cnt kill anything if u have +5 weap, i think spear better choice. And the stupid strong bow restriction doesnt help either.