Rogue spells and skills

xibeleli · Post by **xibeleli** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:00 am

What spells/skills of a rogue should be maxed? i am a level 20 rogue, thank you

139022 · Post by **139022** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:01 am

Fire Blast
Flamethrower
Water Gun
Frenzy Plant

jay0303 · Post by **jay0303** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:04 am

do the attack jus max out all passive and buffs and the weapon if crosbow max cross bow if dagger max dagger :wink:

tedtwilliger · Post by **tedtwilliger** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:07 am

*sigh

1st of all wrong section

2nd of all READ THE BLOODY STICKY'S!

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=55184

God dam, it took me less time to find that guide then it would of to make that post.

jay0303 · Post by **jay0303** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:08 am

CastrateYou · Post by **CastrateYou** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:20 am

139022 wrote:Fire Blast
Flamethrower
Water Gun
Frenzy Plant

I like your answer

xibeleli · Post by **xibeleli** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:21 am

tedtwilliger wrote:*sigh

1st of all wrong section

2nd of all READ THE BLOODY STICKY'S!

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=55184

God dam, it took me less time to find that guide then it would of to make that post.

1. I already read the damn guide and it doesnt help
2. ur post doesnt help

jay0303 · Post by **jay0303** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:24 am

u are ..... stupid don't telll people to shutt the ..... up if u are ..... stupid u don't like it figure it yourself :twisted:

xibeleli · Post by **xibeleli** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:40 am

jay0303 wrote:u are ..... stupid don't telll people to shutt the ..... up if u are ..... stupid u don't like it figure it yourself

i just did noob, btw ur mum's stupid thats y ur stupid

tedtwilliger · Post by **tedtwilliger** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:24 am

xibeleli wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:*sigh

1st of all wrong section

2nd of all READ THE BLOODY STICKY'S!

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=55184

God dam, it took me less time to find that guide then it would of to make that post.

1. I already read the damn guide and it doesnt help
2. ur post doesnt help

In that case its not my fault the guide is incompetent. I simply posted a rogue guide, i can only assume it has rogue skills in it. My apologies. Also next time if u said you had already been in it, it would be appreciated.

Jazz00006 · Post by **Jazz00006** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:29 am

either way, rogues should be pure str, and you need to max the whole tree.

so at lvl 20, max all the skills you can at that lvl.

ltrbojevic · Post by **ltrbojevic** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:56 am

Why don't you people just answer the mans question? It saves allot of hassle ^_^

Max out the whole Rogue tree, and from Bard get stuff like Noise, Moving March and so on.

But heres the thing, you'll have to play with a 2 gap, when SP get tight up you gap to 3-4 until you get back on your feet.
At 64 farm about 50k-100k and your all set

xibeleli · Post by **xibeleli** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:59 am

ltrbojevic wrote:Why don't you people just answer the mans question? It saves allot of hassle ^_^

Max out the whole Rogue tree, and from Bard get stuff like Noise, Moving March and so on.

But heres the thing, you'll have to play with a 2 gap, when SP get tight up you gap to 3-4 until you get back on your feet.
At 64 farm about 50k-100k and your all set

at least someone understands, thx for ur advice it helps

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:11 am

there are like Farking 6 skills or something ?.. .? ? ?asd/.,as'dk;lasd

why not Farking max all of themfas;ldkj omgf
im mad.

Jutsu · Post by **Jutsu** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:46 am

fully farm all of rogue

xibeleli · Post by **xibeleli** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:26 am

whoever says that max out all rogue skills are morons don't even bother posting if ur too lazy to give good advice

iGod · Post by **iGod** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:55 am

Are you planning to powerlvl your rogue?

Me and a friend are making a rogue.. have it all figured out already

Skills you need: all in stealth expert, stealth, poison weapons and vein weapons in poison, all in mask change, all in crossbow expert, all but fast and rapid shot in crossbow, all in silent expert, all but spinning in dagger charge

You_Dead_Yet · Post by **You_Dead_Yet** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:02 pm

fast shot is really useful in PVE, to finish mobs that still have a little bit of HP after the big hits.

rapid shot is kinda lame tho, since if you want to grind with the dmg buff on, and with crap pot cooldown, you dont really want to have 3 mobs on you at same time...

as for what skills to get in my opinion, just go 0 gap til 8 degree and only get crossbow skills (all of the passive and all the active, except rapid shot maybe), get stealth if you're gonna do some PVP/job, you need poison weapons from the poison serie, forget about masks for now.

Then when you hit 64, keep your skills at 64 and start farming, get the other skills like the masks, stealth/destealth, all the daggers passive, and in active all except Spinning.

Getting to 64 with 0 gap and GT doesnt take long anyway.

poehalcho · Post by **poehalcho** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:23 pm

do everything except for scorn.

xibeleli · Post by **xibeleli** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:18 am

iGod wrote:Are you planning to powerlvl your rogue?

Me and a friend are making a rogue.. have it all figured out already

Skills you need: all in stealth expert, stealth, poison weapons and vein weapons in poison, all in mask change, all in crossbow expert, all but fast and rapid shot in crossbow, all in silent expert, all but spinning in dagger charge

You_Dead_Yet wrote:fast shot is really useful in PVE, to finish mobs that still have a little bit of HP after the big hits.

rapid shot is kinda lame tho, since if you want to grind with the dmg buff on, and with crap pot cooldown, you dont really want to have 3 mobs on you at same time...

as for what skills to get in my opinion, just go 0 gap til 8 degree and only get crossbow skills (all of the passive and all the active, except rapid shot maybe), get stealth if you're gonna do some PVP/job, you need poison weapons from the poison serie, forget about masks for now.

Then when you hit 64, keep your skills at 64 and start farming, get the other skills like the masks, stealth/destealth, all the daggers passive, and in active all except Spinning.

Getting to 64 with 0 gap and GT doesnt take long anyway.

thx for the straight-forward advice now i kno exactly what im gonna get

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:34 am

xibeleli wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:*sigh

1st of all wrong section

2nd of all READ THE BLOODY STICKY'S!

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=55184

God dam, it took me less time to find that guide then it would of to make that post.

1. I already read the damn guide and it doesnt help
2. ur post doesnt help

WHOA WHOA WHOA...my guide clearly tells you to MAX THE WHOLE TREE...i didn't tell you that for my health...

Etrad · Post by **Etrad** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:00 am

XemnasXD wrote:
xibeleli wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:*sigh

1st of all wrong section

2nd of all READ THE BLOODY STICKY'S!

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=55184

God dam, it took me less time to find that guide then it would of to make that post.

1. I already read the damn guide and it doesnt help
2. ur post doesnt help

WHOA WHOA WHOA...my guide clearly tells you to MAX THE WHOLE TREE...i didn't tell you that for my health...

XemnasXD...not every skill is worth maxing you know. Maxing scorn is stupid. Maxing Gross Scorn is equally stupid.

All these skills -
Stealth:
Scorn (lvl 1)
Gross Scorn (lvl 1)
Tag point (lvl 1)

Poison:
Poison Field & Poison Trap (WTF do you need another posion skill for if it can be potted away? Even Euros don't have pot delay for pills)

Mask Change:
Monster Mask/Beast Mask (only need lvl 3 for kokuro mask)

Crossbow:
Rapid Shot (lvl 1)

Silent Expert:
Venom Extension (Venom power-up ALREADY increases duration AND damage)

Dagger Charge:
Spinning (Weak + no status effect)
Screw (Weak and you have more than enough skills to combo with anyways. Stun isn't really worth it, especially in PvE. Optional)
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Between maxing those skills and not maxing those skills, its a freaking difference of 59,113 sp. Heck, if you're using a cleric sub, you can even skip poison/vein circle, because holy word/spell already covers Curse resistance, so you can save up to another 5,359 sp.

At 90 cap, that difference becomes 117,676 sp and 10,697 sp respectively.

So is there a good explanation why those skills are even worth getting in the first place, beyond lvl 1?

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:55 am

Etrad wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:
xibeleli wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:*sigh

1st of all wrong section

2nd of all READ THE BLOODY STICKY'S!

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=55184

God dam, it took me less time to find that guide then it would of to make that post.

1. I already read the damn guide and it doesnt help
2. ur post doesnt help

WHOA WHOA WHOA...my guide clearly tells you to MAX THE WHOLE TREE...i didn't tell you that for my health...

XemnasXD...not every skill is worth maxing you know. Maxing scorn is stupid. Maxing Gross Scorn is equally stupid.

All these skills -
Stealth:
Scorn (lvl 1)
Gross Scorn (lvl 1)
Tag point (lvl 1)

Poison:
Poison Field & Poison Trap (WTF do you need another posion skill for if it can be potted away? Even Euros don't have pot delay for pills)

Mask Change:
Monster Mask/Beast Mask (only need lvl 3 for kokuro mask)

Crossbow:
Rapid Shot (lvl 1)

Silent Expert:
Venom Extension (Venom power-up ALREADY increases duration AND damage)

Dagger Charge:
Spinning (Weak + no status effect)
Screw (Weak and you have more than enough skills to combo with anyways. Stun isn't really worth it, especially in PvE. Optional)
------------------------------------------------
Between maxing those skills and not maxing those skills, its a freaking difference of 59,113 sp. Heck, if you're using a cleric sub, you can even skip poison/vein circle, because holy word/spell already covers Curse resistance, so you can save up to another 5,359 sp.

At 90 cap, that difference becomes 117,676 sp and 10,697 sp respectively.

So is there a good explanation why those skills are even worth getting in the first place, beyond lvl 1?

When your in a party and you see a wizard about to nuke your mate you'll thank god you have scorn.....

im not even going to go into the usefulness of the other skillz cause thats in my guide if you don't like oh well i use all the skillz i have at some point however in PvP and/or PvE and i wouldn't change a thing....

Etrad · Post by **Etrad** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:09 am

XemnasXD wrote:When your in a party and you see a wizard about to nuke your mate you'll thank god you have scorn.....

im not even going to go into the usefulness of the other skillz cause thats in my guide if you don't like oh well i use all the skillz i have at some point however in PvP and/or PvE and i wouldn't change a thing....

I didn't say that you should skip scorn. I'm asking WHY do we need to get it above lvl 1? I'll say this once: Your guide does not cover all the skills in the rogue class, nor does it state the reasons WHY you must max all the skills.

Your guide said that poison is useful cause euros got pot delay, yet pills dont have delay between use, + the fact that both poison circle and poison trap do not do any "on cast damage". Its not like its considered a curse series, so potting it away is VERY easy to do. That is why I'm asking for a really good explanation about this, because at this point there is no point in maxing the skills I've mentioned.

Facts is this. You do not need max scorn to learn gross scorn. All you need is lvl 1 of both, and they will STILL be useful. Unless leveling those skills can drastically increase duration or effect, its going to be a waste of sp. So please, tell me why we should max these skills because its not freaking covered in your guide.

Same with Poison Circle if you're going to have a cleric sub. You already have a skill in holy word that makes you immune to all status effects except maybe sleep and stun, so learning this skill is pretty darn pointless.

Monster and Beast Masks are completely useless beyond lvl 3, because "changing into a monster that is attacking the trade group" will not eliminate your theif icon, and frankly speaking you're better off sneaking into the group via stealth more than anything. All you need is lvl 3 to get kokuro masks, because their movement speed is the BEST in the game (aside from zerk) AND because you can use masks during battle - the perfect running method after you successfully kill someone in a job war. And once again, this is not covered in your guide.

Please, I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just asking you to explain and reason why we should max the entire rogue skill tree, because its not covered in your guide. I don't see ANY explanations on any crossbow OR dagger attacks, so enlighten me if you will.

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:03 am

Etrad wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:When your in a party and you see a wizard about to nuke your mate you'll thank god you have scorn.....

im not even going to go into the usefulness of the other skillz cause thats in my guide if you don't like oh well i use all the skillz i have at some point however in PvP and/or PvE and i wouldn't change a thing....

I didn't say that you should skip scorn. I'm asking WHY do we need to get it above lvl 1? I'll say this once: Your guide does not cover all the skills in the rogue class, nor does it state the reasons WHY you must max all the skills.

Your guide said that poison is useful cause euros got pot delay, yet pills dont have delay between use, + the fact that both poison circle and poison trap do not do any "on cast damage". Its not like its considered a curse series, so potting it away is VERY easy to do. That is why I'm asking for a really good explanation about this, because at this point there is no point in maxing the skills I've mentioned.

Facts is this. You do not need max scorn to learn gross scorn. All you need is lvl 1 of both, and they will STILL be useful. Unless leveling those skills can drastically increase duration or effect, its going to be a waste of sp. So please, tell me why we should max these skills because its not freaking covered in your guide.

Same with Poison Circle if you're going to have a cleric sub. You already have a skill in holy word that makes you immune to all status effects except maybe sleep and stun, so learning this skill is pretty darn pointless.

Monster and Beast Masks are completely useless beyond lvl 3, because "changing into a monster that is attacking the trade group" will not eliminate your theif icon, and frankly speaking you're better off sneaking into the group via stealth more than anything. All you need is lvl 3 to get kokuro masks, because their movement speed is the BEST in the game (aside from zerk) AND because you can use masks during battle - the perfect running method after you successfully kill someone in a job war. And once again, this is not covered in your guide.

Please, I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just asking you to explain and reason why we should max the entire rogue skill tree, because its not covered in your guide. I don't see ANY explanations on any crossbow OR dagger attacks, so enlighten me if you will.

don't say your not picking a fight because you are its challenge i accept. If it'll fit i'll update my guide with a blow by blow explanation of the skill treez to replace the current section of skillz. It would be easier if ppl don't get it and it is a way to improve my guide but i don't expect you to agree with everything it because you probably won't. The way i see it if your going to use a skill USE it don't just get it to get another or get it to take up space i USE the extra 1.5 sec i get by lvling up scorn and it only cost 280 SP...it wasn't super high on my priorities but i think it was worth it...

.AWAKE. · Post by **.AWAKE.** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:08 am

this thread has some true knowledge contained within it.

torinchibi · Post by **torinchibi** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:19 am

poehalcho wrote:do everything except for scorn.

Do everything except for the most useful skill a rogue has to offer for support during jobbing and PvP. Smart. If anything don't get poison field, and don't listen to the noobies, get mask skill and grab yourself some kukoro masks since they are really useful, they run faster than lvl 60 horse, and you can use them while in combat. I would just say stay away from poison stuff, even vain weapons are useless after the first pill, but they add like 200 more dmg ..not that useful.

Magnum357x · Post by **Magnum357x** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:36 am

xibeleli wrote:
jay0303 wrote:u are ..... stupid don't telll people to shutt the ..... up if u are ..... stupid u don't like it figure it yourself

i just did noob, btw ur mum's stupid thats y ur stupid

Tipical 9 year old comeback

You_Dead_Yet · Post by **You_Dead_Yet** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:05 pm

Screw isnt really optional imo, Stun is probably the best effect, and its not weak at all.. Its not even maxed at level 80.

And you need 5 skills if you want to be able to cycle between them all without stop, Prick and Mortal Wounds got huge cooldown

elnawawi · Post by **elnawawi** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:34 pm

Only professionals can know how to max all skills and find use for them all .. but all noobs always say : useless , don't max , no benfit .. etc ...

The only reason to abandon skill is that you have lack of SP , but you easily can get the skill later if you reach the cap or farming a day ..
And for rouge it's easy to have gap 1 from 0 to 80 and be 97% fully farmed ..

And XemnasXD ,
plz make very detailed guide to satisfy all ppl .. and make your guide more useful

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