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Can anybody convince me which sub is better for Mage: Cleric or Bard?

cleric maybe

I guess you mean wizard?

I'd say bard. With Noise general monsters don't attack you. Party don't attack you too, only giants and champions. With Moving March you can run faster from giants and with Mana Cycle you can get your mana bar back to full in just a few seconds. These 3 skills all stay when you switch back to staff.

Also I don't see the point in healing yourself, 'cause with life control on (and you'll grind mostly with life control on) you'll always die in 1-2 or maybe 3 hits. You'll have to heal almost every hit then.. and with bard you don't, 'cause mobs won't attack you (except giants and champs, I know, but with Moving March running away shouldn't be a problem).

True. And imagine wizard +swing march +teleport, that's fast man. They have fear, so doubt for a cleric sub, they always need speed more than defense.

Bard. Moving March, Noise.

Change this in to a poll.

Gokenzul wrote:Bard. Moving March, Noise.

Change this in to a poll.

thx for the tip

i voted cleric .... noise wont do as much when your fighting hi-level mobs.

Let me explain further, for example you have noise Level 2, this is good for mobs between level 30-40 ....

what happens if your party is grinding on level 41 aggro mobs?

you get killed of course.

get cleric and get the Recovery Division ... that works like autopots and has a 5 minute duration, making you a euro version of a pure int spear nuker.

for solo bard
Life Control, moving march, and Noise and u can grind like hell
For party Cleric
More ppl will want u in there party

Bard. I, for one, find that I really really need bards a lot more than most people seem to think I would.

every build have its advantages and dis advantegs so it comes back to u
but i like bard more