cleric sub class.....

[Vindicator]

Way too many topics asking about cleric sub class, so I have to mke this thread for everyone to see so i dont post in every topic.

First of all, the cleric is extremely powerful in itself, and is totally awsome in team play. But as a sub class, it loses its shine.

First of all, clerics needs to be pure int....or mosyly int if there is a hybrid int out there...

To keep it nice and sweet, clerics do awsome buffs, but as soon as you change your weapon and no longer have a cleric rod on POOF!!! THEY ARE ALL GONE!!!! even if you buffed other people YES THEY ARE GONE!!!!!!!! So the only POSSIBLE cleric sub class is an int base, and so they can choose between say wizard sometimes, cleric other times, do they want to fight or support, thats about all..., dont expect to be a fighter and a supporter, because belive me, supporting requires 200% of your attention and time, and swaping weapons back and fourth ahving to rebuff all the time and heal is gona own your mana.

As for pure strs using cleric sub class....rofl....
Quoted myself from the rouge thread about cleric submasteries. It applies to all euro str chars.

Your pure str, so you have very little mana. Once u buff up your party, youve used all your mana already.
Now, since you call yourself a "cleric" people are gona expect a cleric. You have to choose between a cleric and a rouge, obviously as pure str rouge would be more beneficial, but for shits n giggles let walk through your cleric experience:

You join the party and eveyone loves u cuz your a cleric, too bad they cant see your pure str. You buff up everyone and go on your merry way grinding, they do nicely with your buffs. A heal here and a heal there, then a party mobs spawns and suddenly your party needs some good healing. You start to spam heal, maybe throw up a shield buff. little while later you guys are lieing in the grass looking up at the sky and everyone is cursing you out because you, "the cleric" dont have enough mana to even come close to spaming heals. I knew a pure str cleric, i say i KNEW because he deleted his char because he couldnt keep anyone alive.

What people fail to realise for some odd reason, is cleric buffs WILL NOT STAY UP when you change your weapon. Dont belive me? go find a cleric.

So have fun with your pure str cleric, make sure u got 500mp scrolls and XL mp pots always and pray to god your party never needs a real cleric.__

I once though cleric would be good too...but it was terrible cuz i was reduced to a pure str cleric on the sidelines or a pure str rouge with no subclass to help me. (switching to cleric to heal is helpful, but dont think your gona be using rouge skills, swap and heal then swap back all the time and have enough mana to do anything. If my rouge still had lvl 55 cleric i would make a video to prove this all, but i switched to bard a while ago because moving march and noise dont cancel when you change weapons. But feel free to find a cleric friend and ask them, they can show u the magicaly vanshing buffs

Dont get me wrong, clerics are very useful, very high quality builds, but to use them as a sub class just isnt what most people think for one reason. Your buffs are gone without a cleric rod. So if you have a cleric sub class (please for the love of god be int...) and know that u need to decide during situations if you need to be a fighter or a supporter, because trying to do both is gona get you and your party killed.
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[Phortex]

Hmm, i assume you have a cleric, yet you get a few things wrong.

Firstly i agree clerics should be full int (that is those who want cleric as a main class) i spent 3 days arguing this in another post shortly after EU came out. If you want to boost your HP a bit think back to pure Int China chars, where actually you just wanted to keep your magic balance above about 95%, this can be done with a few points put into Str... will only give you a bonus 200-300hp in the end, but it may help.

Now thats about as far as i agree with you.

My Cleric is now in the mid 40's and is frequently requested by people to join partys, as i am deemed a good healer, as such i have come to know lots of peole who have cleric subclasses.

Pure Str Classes can work VERY well with a cleric subclass.

Just as long as they dot try and be a main healer.

For exmaple a good friend of mine is a pure str warrior, with cleric subclass. He never joins partys as a healer (he is a s/s warrior, who knows how to use taunt effectivly, and is a damn good tank, so people look to him as a tank)

However, he took cleric subclass not to be a great healer, he took to improve his surviablity. IT IS A SUBCLASS, HE ONLY USES IT FOR A FEW ABILITIES, in the same way people use bards for just a few abilities. Between the two of us we can have bless spell up 50% of the time, combine that with his other warrior +defense buffs we are damn hard to kill when working togther. He also has spells such as healing cycle, a great HoT he can cast should he find himself too far away from the group cleric.. or with one who is just a bit pants. And of course he has ressurection, which is great given as a full int cleric i am normally the first class to die when the Sh*t hits the fan, which isnt that useful for the rest of the group, however having a warrior with 7k hp who can happily solo party mobs (his own level) and last forever being able to survive and then ress is amazingly useful.

I will concede that a Pure Str cplayer with cleric subclass should not be a main healer, but that doesnt mean they shouldnt have cleric as a subclass, on my tool bar, of cleric spell that i use only 3 of them are heals... there is more ot being a cleric than healing

Buffs.

Yes some buffs do not last when you remove cleric rod BUT NOT ALL OF THEM.

At lvl 30 you get body blessing (+physical defense buff) and at 40 you get the + magic defense (cant remeber the name). These buffs (at least for me) stay on those who i cast them even after i remove the cleric rod. which is great. This means as a pure int cleric i can cast these buffs, put Recovery divison up and healing cycle on the tanks then switch to my subclass (wizard) and no lots of damage, switching back to cleric rod maybe every 15 seconds to casta group heal if nedded and re apply healing cycle. The extra dps i add is vital when in small groups. There is no reason why another class that is pure int shouldnt do the same, they would be just as effective.

The one person these buffs dont last for is yourself, so if soloing, dont bother buffing yourself.. but they will stay for your party.

I will agree with Vindicator in that you shouldnt take clerics as a subclass for their buffs (tho do use the ones that will last if there is no other cleric)

Take Cleric as a subclass for Bless Spell, Healing cycle and recvoery divison and most importantly for Ressurection.... oh and offering is crazy good

[Spellbinder]

However, he took cleric subclass not to be a great healer, he took to improve his surviablity. IT IS A SUBCLASS, HE ONLY USES IT FOR A FEW ABILITIES, in the same way people use bards for just a few abilities.

Take Cleric as a subclass for Bless Spell, Healing cycle and recvoery divison and most importantly for Ressurection.... oh and offering is crazy good

Case Closed.

[DeShin]

Have you guys notice that,

"Required Item" - buff won't stay right after you switch weapon.
"Used Item" - buff will stay even though you switch weapon.

Depends how you utilize your sub. Some people going for sub because want extra buff or in this case the abilities. But some people going for "dual weapon" choice, for example a wizard leveling using cleric attacking skills.

Cleric is useful because it is supportive, everyone needs you, in the mid of leveling someone will definitely invite you into party.

[Mocha*]

Since you obviously didn't read my reply in the rogue thread, here it is again.

How many poeple here are ACTUALLY clerics? My guess is none or few. Here is what is wrong with a cleric.
Yes I'm a Rogue with cleric as sub class. I'm sure many people are.

Your pure str, so you have very little mana. Once u buff up your party, youve used all your mana already.
Now, since you call yourself a "cleric" people are gona expect a cleric. You have to choose between a cleric and a rouge, obviously as pure str rouge would be more beneficial, but for shits n giggles let walk through your cleric experience:
Yes we do have little mana. Yes we cannot spam heal due to low mana pool.

You join the party and eveyone loves u cuz your a cleric, too bad they cant see your pure str. You buff up everyone and go on your merry way grinding, they do nicely with your buffs. A heal here and a heal there, then a party mobs spawns and suddenly your party needs some good healing. You start to spam heal, maybe throw up a shield buff. little while later you guys are lieing in the grass looking up at the sky and everyone is cursing you out because you, "the cleric" dont have enough mana to even come close to spaming heals. I knew a pure str cleric, i say i KNEW because he deleted his char because he couldnt keep anyone alive.
BUT we don't join the party as a cleric. We join party as a ROGUE. They don't expect you to do a cleric's job. Cleric is your sub, not main. Therefore you should not buff (or even spend SP's to get any buffs) anyone or be the main cleric in the party, because that's not your job. Your job is a rogue. IF your main cleric goes back to town to repot or something, then maybe you can be a cleric for the party temporary. Yes I have done this many times, I have yet to kill anyone. With a bard in your party, you would never run out of MP to heal anyone.

What people fail to realise for some odd reason, is cleric buffs WILL NOT STAY UP when you change your weapon. Dont belive me? go find a cleric.
Yes all the STR/INT buffs disappear after you switch weapon, therefore you should and ARE not the main cleric in the party. You are a ROGUE. IMO you shouldn't even waste SP on buffs. You are a ROGUE, remember, ROGUE.

So have fun with your pure str cleric, make sure u got 500mp scrolls and XL mp pots always and pray to god your party never needs a real cleric.

Applies to all str euro chars, not only rogues.

Now that you've read it, you can stop your bs now. ^^

However, he took cleric subclass not to be a great healer, he took to improve his surviablity. IT IS A SUBCLASS, HE ONLY USES IT FOR A FEW ABILITIES, in the same way people use bards for just a few abilities.

Take Cleric as a subclass for Bless Spell, Healing cycle and recvoery divison and most importantly for Ressurection.... oh and offering is crazy good

Case Closed Again.