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Bow at cap90
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:48 pm
by Dart
Hi everybody ^^ i'm new to the forum..but not to sro
anyway
i have a question for bow skills at cap 90...
as everybody says...bow will have Knock back..and it will do it with the combo of 5 arrows...
but i saw that the bow will have stun too..is it true??
in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qri5zoQiXb4
when the bowman do new strong bow skill..the target is stunned
i didn't understand if strong bow will stun enemies..or if the new hawk will stun enemies..
i think that strong bow will stun targets..
can some1 tell me something?? xP
thanks
Re: Bow at cap90
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:58 pm
by Doctor_MOS
Dart wrote:Hi everybody ^^ i'm new to the forum..but not to sro
anyway
i have a question for bow skills at cap 90...
as everybody says...bow will have Knock back..and it will do it with the combo of 5 arrows...
but i saw that the bow will have stun too..is it true??
in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qri5zoQiXb4when the bowman do new strong bow skill..the target is stunned
i didn't understand if strong bow will stun enemies..or if the new hawk will stun enemies..
i think that strong bow will stun targets..
can some1 tell me something?? xP
thanks
yep strong bow is gonna stun, and it's gonna be a lot faster too:)
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:00 pm
by Dart
nice
so bow will owns
stun, kb..and crits!! xP
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:01 pm
by Hawkster
remeber bladers and S/S KD stab stab stab stab..whatevers
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:03 pm
by Dart
yes yes lol
i love blader..the problem is his low dmg =(
anyway bow with these new skills will be very strong..now it isn't very strong
i'm talking about pvp
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:36 pm
by rumpleKillskin
whats that skill that shoots arrows at everything around you?
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:25 am
by vanom
bow will own? u guys are dreaming. lets compare the damage of bow and glaive.
4th book anti devil bow: 524 ~ 709 (250%)
5th book : 574 ~ 777 (250%)
strong bow: :574 ~ 777 (350%)
glaive:
new soul spear: 773 ~ 993 (2x 175%)
new ghost spear: 750 ~ 964 (280%)
even with crit the damage of the two anti devils will only be slightly higher than that of the normal damage a glaive does. no need to say anything else.
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:06 am
by lennonn
Buut...
will be stronger then now.. and also will have status effect that will improve them much in pvp
Buuut... Glavies Forever... xD
Yours,
Len
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:40 am
by DarkJackal
vanom wrote:bow will own? u guys are dreaming. lets compare the damage of bow and glaive.
4th book anti devil bow: 524 ~ 709 (250%)
5th book : 574 ~ 777 (250%)
strong bow: :574 ~ 777 (350%)
glaive:
new soul spear: 773 ~ 993 (2x 175%)
new ghost spear: 750 ~ 964 (280%)
even with crit the damage of the two anti devils will only be slightly higher than that of the normal damage a glaive does. no need to say anything else.
Whats your point? Bows do just fine now and the skills are
Lv.9(lv.65 skill) Anti Devil 260~351 (250%)
Lv.1(lv.69 skill) Devil Arrow 297~402(350%)
against
Lv.6(lv.68 skill) Ghost spear-Mars399~514 (280%) - 46% higher then anti devil. 27% higher then Devil Arrow(although the (+%) is 70 more on devil :p).
Lv.4(lv.69 skill) Soul spear-Soul 386~497 (175%) - 41% higher then Anti Devil. 23% higher then Devil Arrow.
The newer ones.
5th book Anti Devil lv.1(lv.90 skill): 574~777(250%)
3rd book Strong Bow: 574~777(350%)
against
book 4 Soul Spear: 773~993(2x 175%) - 28% higher then Anti Devil/Devil Arrow
boo 4 Ghost Spear: 750~964(280%) - 24% higher >.>.
Dunno what lvl's these are except the anti devil one.
Did the %'s from the highest end of the skill, dunno if its really right even >.>, but the point is the same, the dmg has always been higher for glaive skills(but bow still has the highest - 350%) and bow has still done just fine against glaive except the getting stunned or knocked back every few hits.
The only advantage is the stun/knock back, which we will have too, so not really any point to the dmg being higher considering its always been.
Where do you find the dmg's for the new skills btw.
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:16 am
by SaveMe
Bowman 4 Life!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:36 am
by IceCrash
SaveMe wrote:Bowman 4 Life!!!
nice spam
anyways, i think we should all wait till the cap and new skills coem out, cause seriously...theres so many questions flying around and so many diff opinions that ull never know whats the right one
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:48 am
by Dart
yeah but it is funny talk about that ^^
in my opinion..bow will be stronger..but a lot stronger than now (LoL)
pvp vs a bowman..
if he stun and kb a glavier/blader/etcetc when he is far from him, it will be more difficult to achieve him..and while the target is stunned...bowman can always try a crit with anti-devil bow
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:49 am
by soulcollector
the new skill that shoots around you will own in farming
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:02 pm
by DS^
ya, bows will pretty much own. To own at the 80 cap with a bow you need a lot of player-skills : phantom away, ice/fire wall, anti devil etc etc.
but at the 90 cap it will be a lot easier
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:40 pm
by vanom
DarkJackal wrote:but the point is the same, the dmg has always been higher for glaive skills(but bow still has the highest - 350%)
do some maths before stating that:
new soul spear: 773 ~ 993 (2x 175%),
2x175% =
350%
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:23 pm
by DarkJackal
vanom wrote:DarkJackal wrote:but the point is the same, the dmg has always been higher for glaive skills(but bow still has the highest - 350%)
do some maths before stating that:
new soul spear: 773 ~ 993 (2x 175%),
2x175% =
350%
Thats still just 2 hits at 175 each is it not?
For example on the highest dmg contests you can't go zerk on a mangyang and get the same dmg Devil Arrow or Strong bow will get now you will you? :d.
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:51 pm
by Da_Realest
Even it does turns out to equal 350% its not like the glaiver would do more damage. Bow has a higher attack rating so the odds of hitting their max damage is good. Glaive does not have this, and its a 2 hit skill. In order to do that high damage, you have to do max damage on each hit. The odds of that happening are very slim. On average, an archer using strong bow will do more damage. Not to mention, strongbow has a 4.0 range increase, can stun, and has a 10 critical increase.
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:57 pm
by DarkJackal
If you wanted to go by that then bladers would have a (+460%) skill :d lol, and its not like they do nearly the dmg it owuld be if it was 1 hit >.>.
The skills now for glaivers is the same thing btw, 386~497 (175%) 2 hits, so again, nothin changed, higher dmg still there.
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:06 pm
by Da_Realest
Didn't know my blader was that strong...
Anyway, each separate hit of ghost spear can stun instead of just the first hit so I guess you can say it has changed a bit...
Its also good to know that Anti devil is now at 40 critical increase.
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:20 pm
by Dart
LoL
40 increase?? wow
crit=bow
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:26 pm
by vanom
parry ratio will increase with crit 40 of anti devil. so the archer won't crit that more than now.
@DarkJackal
im not talking about hitting freaking manyangs, but realistic pvp scenarios. 2x 773 ~ 993 eath 175% equals 1x 773 - 993 350%. so glaive's still higher damage.
don't talk about attack rating. the highest attack value of strong bow is the lowest of the new soul spear. so even if u get the highest value of strong bow, that'd be just the lowest value of soul spear, not to mention, it's pretty unprobable to get the lowest value of soul spear. and anti devil bow is even less worth to mention, cuz it's only has 250%.
the conclusion? glaive's damage will still be higher. if the archer crits with anti devil bow 5th book, its damage will only be little higher than glaive's damage without crit. if archer crits with strong bow, the damage is pretty high. but it's already not often enough to crit with anti devil bow. so only to rely on the unprobable crit of strong bow is pretty sad.
i hope u guys read my post more careful, otherwise it'd just be a walk in a circle and nobody is helped with that.
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:22 pm
by DarkJackal
vanom wrote:parry ratio will increase with crit 40 of anti devil. so the archer won't crit that more than now.
@DarkJackal
im not talking about hitting freaking manyangs, but realistic pvp scenarios. 2x 773 ~ 993 eath 175% equals 1x 773 - 993 350%. so glaive's still higher damage.
don't talk about attack rating. the highest attack value of strong bow is the lowest of the new soul spear. so even if u get the highest value of strong bow, that'd be just the lowest value of soul spear, not to mention, it's pretty unprobable to get the lowest value of soul spear. and anti devil bow is even less worth to mention, cuz it's only has 250%.
the conclusion? glaive's damage will still be higher. if the archer crits with anti devil bow 5th book, its damage will only be little higher than glaive's damage without crit. if archer crits with strong bow, the damage is pretty high. but it's already not often enough to crit with anti devil bow. so only to rely on the unprobable crit of strong bow is pretty sad.
i hope u guys read my post more careful, otherwise it'd just be a walk in a circle and nobody is helped with that.
Mangyang. Example. Put it together, the dmg output of (350%) is much higher then (175%)x2 in 1 hit. Which is why Bows do the most dmg per skill. A glaiver doing 500x2 is 500 then 500, a bower doing 1000 is the same dmg, but its in 1 skill,
1000>500+500, look at the blader comment.
And what are you talking about, I have been saying glaive is higher dmg the whole time and has been, maybe YOU should read posts more carefully >.>.
Not much is going to change, they have higher dmg now, they will with new skills.
Bows had lower dmg(but the highest hitting skill :d) and will have lower dmg but will also get the status effects of glaives.
I have fought a lot of glaivers, and even with a normal +5 bow at the 70 cap(which is skills upto our lvl) I did more dmg then glaivers on mobs, they couldn't even ks, not fast enough also. and in pvp, other then the full sos bots I did more dmg on glaivers then they did on me, doesn't mean combined I did more, but the numbers were higher because my skills dmg was.
Will bows own at 90 cap, I say hell yea, the thing the kept me from killing most glaivers/bladers was stun and knock back/down if I was able to stun/knock back them then I would of.
Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:04 am
by vanom
im not talking about killing mobs, but i focus on pvp. with the new skills, archer wont be that easy to be killed any more, that's rite. but they will only have one skill with stun whereas glaives have 2. but the 5 combo knockback skill with 30% kb probabiliy each arrow is indeed pretty good. i can kill every bow on my lvl, which have good gears except sun parts. a bow without sun sow, cannot kill me. their damage is just too low and they don't crit enough, though equiped with +7 crit 10, attack ration 50% bow and me just +5 glaive. and as archer u wont kill glaive even with new skills, cuz they'll still have stun and knockback and 32k hp.
but i still did not get that 1x 1000 > 2x 500 concerning the damage output. please explain, i really dont get it.
lolz no need to fight glavie or blade or bow will own la
Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:26 am
by kwfreedom
this game are not only pvp la.A winner can cos of luck,sever lag,weapon sos som sosun,gear,team work ,skill using,plan,level,and many many. not just the higher dmg will own la. if like that all ppl go glavie lor.
All new builds dun always ask for the strong built.there is no a build is top want.all is depent on how u play.dun make yourself confuse.
Remember even u got all sosun item or very strong.you still will die if 5 or 6 your gap level using zerk to kill u.So no a build can stand forever la.
Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:27 am
by Da_Realest
vanom wrote:parry ratio will increase with crit 40 of anti devil. so the archer won't crit that more than now.
What proof do you have that parry effects criticals? From what you said, that means everyone will critical more often on a mangyang since it has the lowest parry, when in reality, you will critical just as often as any mob. And as you level, your parry numbers go up on your gear yet critical stays on the same scale. The other that continues to rises is attack rating.
I've tested this and the higher your parry, the least amount of damage you take. A long time ago, shades hit me for about 200 damage. Once I use the parry buff, its about 20 or 70 damage. It also resulted in lower average damage from player attacks depending on the relation of their attack rating to your total parry.
Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:42 am
by vanom
Da_Realest wrote:What proof do you have that parry effects criticals? From what you said, that means everyone will critical more often on a mangyang since it has the lowest parry, when in reality, you will critical just as often as any mob. And as you level, your parry numbers go up on your gear yet critical stays on the same scale. The other that continues to rises is attack rating.
I've tested this and the higher your parry, the least amount of damage you take. A long time ago, shades hit me for about 200 damage. Once I use the parry buff, its about 20 or 70 damage. It also resulted in lower average damage from player attacks depending on the relation of their attack rating to your total parry. [/color]
omg this is something that one should know. same thing as attack rating has also effect on criticals. and stop talking about the Farking manyangs, im talking about pvp.
Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:56 am
by MrFudge
@vanom
us relying on strongbow crit is just like you relying on any of your crits.
our strongbow time is cut down by a lot.
our antidevil will crit probably 90% of the time with a good crit bow and crit 40 increase.
and you are so obsessed with strongbow, you would know our strongest skill is in fact devil arrow.
Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:32 am
by vanom
MrFudge wrote:@vanom
us relying on strongbow crit is just like you relying on any of your crits.
our strongbow time is cut down by a lot.
our antidevil will crit probably 90% of the time with a good crit bow and crit 40 increase.
and you are so obsessed with strongbow, you would know our strongest skill is in fact devil arrow.
can u read? since when do i rely on the Farking strong bow or any other bow skills?
btw: ur dreaming of critting
90% with anti devil and bow with high crit.
Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:38 am
by MrFudge
vanom wrote:MrFudge wrote:@vanom
us relying on strongbow crit is just like you relying on any of your crits.
our strongbow time is cut down by a lot.
our antidevil will crit probably 90% of the time with a good crit bow and crit 40 increase.
and you are so obsessed with strongbow, you would know our strongest skill is in fact devil arrow.
can u read? since when do i rely on the Farking strong bow or any other bow skills?
btw: ur dreaming of critting
90% with anti devil and bow with high crit.
i was talking about your glaive skills.
Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:51 am
by vanom
what about speaking proper english? "and you are so obsessed with strongbow, you would know our strongest skill is in fact devil arrow", dude, i don't give a fuc.k about strongbow, anti devil or any other bow skills. tried to prove that 2x 175% = 1x 350% and ask for reason, why some members interpret this differently and that even with anti devil bow 5th book the chance of crit is pretty low, cuz the parry ratio with increase with new gears and buffs. and there u come with ur fuc.king strong bow or anti devil bow. so what's the point of ur thread? mentioning something that i never asked for and never interested in?