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I have my own pure int build so I decided to make a guide about it as it's a good build. First my skills are heuksal, lightning and cold. Why not fire? I'll explaing why fire isn't very good for nukers.


Why Lightning?
Lighting is the best skill for a nuker, because it has piercing force, grass walk flow, shock lion (mini nuke) and the most powerful nuke: Thunderbolt force. Plus, the imbue hits as high as fire when your enemy is electric shocked. So lighting will be your first skill as a nuker.

In lightning skill you should level everything. That's why it's so good for nukers.


Why cold?
Because you have low defence. Frost guard and Cold armor are very usefull for a nuker. Also, frost nova series can be very useful when getting mobbed. Also if you have extra sp you can try dual imbue cold and lightning. Cold isn't good for pvp but it's sometimes usefull in pve, just like frost nova. The second book of the cold nuke, ice storm, will have the same effect as frost nova but will also hit high damage, thats why i think it's the best nuke in the game.

In the cold skill you should level:
-The imbue (only if you have extra sp)
-Forst guard
-Frost nova
-Second book of nuke
-cold armor

Why not fire?
in my opinion most nukers will only lvl fire because it's "the 1337" or because "f1r3 1mbu3 is p0wn4ge" the only usefull skills in fire skill for a nuker are the imbue and the nuke. Why would you spend sp on a skill when you already have a good imbue and good nukes? Plus, fire buffs will only increase your magical defence and physical damage, which is exactly what you less need. Fire is for str based builds.

Bicheon/Heuksal?
This is totaly up to you to choose. There are other guides about that. I would go heuksal but thats my opinion. As an heuksal you will have extra hp and deal higher damage, and ice imbue with chost spear will have almost the same effect as frost nova. As a bicheon, since you have frost guard, cold armor and your own shield you'll have the highest defence as a nuker but if you go dual imbue you'll deal the lowest damage a nuker can with ice imbue. In my opinion if you take heuksal you should choose this build, but if you have s/s you should either choose this build or one of the lightning/fire nuker builds from other guides. It's your choice. Also this guide is based on a nuker with heuksal skill.

If heuksal, here's what you should lvl:
-Sould Departs Series
-Ghost Spear Series
-The combos
-Cheolsam Force

If bicheon you should lvl this:
-Chain Sword Series
-Shield Technique Series
-Hidden Blade/Killing Heaven Series (KD)
-Shield Protection

--But don't lvl anything in your weapon skill, just unlock the skills and leave them at lvl 1 unless you're going to sp farm--

How to PvE with this build:
Allways use grasswalk, your lighting nuke and your lighting imbue when you're fighting a mob in 1 on 1. when you are being surrounded use either your second book of ice nuke if you have it or frost nova, then your lighting imbue with ghost spear. Only use your cold imbue with ghost spear if your cold nuke didn't work very well, it will make you froze your enemys and also deal a good amount of damage.

How to PvP:
Allways start with your lighting nuke, then cold imbue if your enemy doesn't have ice immunity (slowing down your enemy will be extremely helpfull sometimes) then lighting imbue wiith ghost spear/combo/soul departs.

While in guild wars:
Start with forst nova and your ice nuke to deal alot of damage. If you're a high lvl, your cold nuke will pown all the low lvls around you in your enemy's guild or at least will do massive damage. Then lighting imbue+ghost spear/soul departs

So my build will be something like this:

http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Build_Applet/?profile=23213

IF you chose bicheon it will be like this:

http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Build_Applet/?profile=23222

Leveling/Farming/armor:

First, you will wear armor until lvl 16, then go protector, as you will kill fast enough without getting hit.
You should -allways- hunt the highest lvl mob you can kill in one hit, and that goes for all lvls, exept lvls 1 to 5.
Let's suppose you're a lvl 1. Take bow and armor and kill mangyangs and big eyed ghosts to the east of Jangan until lvl 5. Then it's up to you to chose either dual imbue (cold + lighting imbue) or just choose one.
About farming, I suggest you either keep 2-3 gap or 3-4 gap if you want dual imbue. Farming isn't very important for this build as you will only need three mastery trees and not many skills from each of them, exept lightning which you'll need all the skills. You'll need 4 skills from heuksal, 4 from cold (5 if dual imbue) and 7 from lightning. You won't have enough sp to lvl everything at once with only 2-3 gap. It's up to you, if you want all your skills at their best go 4 gap but if fast lvling is more important i suggest 2-3 gap.

Now i'm not saying other fire nukers are noobish. I just think this kind of nuker is best but that doesn't make others rubbish. Anyway you arent forced to do what i say, this guide is just a suggestion for a good int nuker. Why am I saying this? Because fire nukers will probably start saying i'm a noob and my build is noobish.

Have fun with your lighting cold nuker ^^

the only usefull skills in fire skill for a nuker are the imbue and the nuke

Ever heard of a little thing called fire shield???

It IS the most useful skill in the game. With it u are able to get 100 % immunity to cold. Good luck getting frozen every 2nd hit.

Thats only at high lvls. PLus, like i said, this guide is based on a heuksal build, not a s/s build, and you do not have a shield when you are an heuksal.

wud this work out good with Bicheon?
(i prefer KD )

With 90% magical balance naked
OR
Pure int
Dont know what to choose.

im not s/s either, but i do max fire shield king... just equip noobish shield and buff.

this build aint any good for 80 cap IMO, but good for 90cap..

tomakasin wrote:wud this work out good with Bicheon?

(i prefer KD )

I don't think so, because fire skill IS usefull for s/s nuker.

@fadex: I don't know for lvl 80, but anyway almost no one has a build with cold imbue at high lvls because most of them have fire/lighting imbue, so who cares about ice immunity when it's useless?

Calisto wrote:

tomakasin wrote:wud this work out good with Bicheon?

(i prefer KD )

I don't think so, because fire skill IS usefull for s/s nuker.

I will have
90 bich
90 cold
90 light
30 fire - book 2 fire shield.

So why wont it work for bicheon?

tomakasin wrote:

Calisto wrote:

tomakasin wrote:wud this work out good with Bicheon?

(i prefer KD )

I don't think so, because fire skill IS usefull for s/s nuker.

I will have
90 bich
90 cold
90 light
30 fire - book 2 fire shield.

So why wont it work for bicheon?

I'll improve my guide but to answer your question, as a blader you will have a shield and therefore you can get ice immunity. But, even with a blader you will only need 3 skills from fire mastery so IMO this build could work for blader. Plus, a blade nuker with forst guard is the nuker with the highest defence. I think you should try blader if you want. The skills will be exactly the same.

I'll improve my guide but to answer your question, as a blader you will have a shield and therefore you can get ice immunity. But, even with a blader you will only need 3 skills from fire mastery so IMO this build could work for blader. Plus, a blade nuker with forst guard is the nuker with the highest defence. I think you should try blader if you want. The skills will be exactly the same.

Dude, ANY weapon can get fire shield. All u have to do is put on a shield, use the skill, switch weapons and BOOM the buff stays!


and a blade nuker??? LOLZ!


... i think u meant sword

tedtwilliger wrote:

I'll improve my guide but to answer your question, as a blader you will have a shield and therefore you can get ice immunity. But, even with a blader you will only need 3 skills from fire mastery so IMO this build could work for blader. Plus, a blade nuker with forst guard is the nuker with the highest defence. I think you should try blader if you want. The skills will be exactly the same.

Dude, ANY weapon can get fire shield. All u have to do is put on a shield, use the skill, switch weapons and BOOM the buff stays!


and a blade nuker??? LOLZ!


... i think u meant sword

So? If you don't like my build, well i'm not forcing you to get it neither. Plus, if you lvl fire just to get fire shield then you'rewasting sp because you're lvling a mastery tree only to get a skill or two. And if you actually read my post above you'll find that I said not many people have cold imbue at high lvls, so fire shield isn't that usefull.

At the current cap the build is crap. But at the 90 cap it will work great.

At the current cap the build is crap. But at the 90 cap it will work great. Smile

You could argue that. In reference to pvp, it will come down to the effectiveness of the new ice buff. If this ice buff is really as good as everyone makes it out to be, then this build will good. Though if this buff ISNT as good as everyone proclaims, then hes kinda screwed over.


IMO 90 bich (or hech) 90 light 90 cold 30 fire is the way to go (assuming 90 cap). That way u still will get some benefits of the fire shield. The only problem i have with this build is the lack of immunity. As alot of capped players take fire and are immune to status, the effect of the cold and light imbues/nukes will be downgraded alot. Though if they do fix the bug, making fire shield ONLY usable by someone who keeps the shield equipped, then this build will gain some dominance.

Plus, if you lvl fire just to get fire shield then you'rewasting sp because you're lvling a mastery tree only to get a skill or two

Isnt that the reason anyone takes a certain force over another force?? as there are a few more skills that are better than the rest...??? If u have chosen cold mainly for the new ice buff at 90 cap, than u are doing the same thing are u not???

IMO build is good for 90 cap, but at current cap is quite worthless.

Also, the grind could be very effective too:
Attracting several mobs,
blade force -> blade force -> shout -> (repeat until attracting enough mobs, then) -> sword dance -> light nuke -> ice rain etc.

tiglari51 wrote:Also, the grind could be very effective too:
Attracting several mobs,
blade force -> blade force -> shout -> (repeat until attracting enough mobs, then) -> sword dance -> light nuke -> ice rain etc.

+1. Grind would take full advantage of multi- mob killing.

title of this post says enough

Fire at 30 for fire shield at 28 is pretty useless. You get a -38 status effect only. How about get that force cure series instead???

At 30, you get to treat a 76 status effect with one click; just click again if it doesn't work. I find it pretty annoying to use though, you have to select your own character by shift-left click and then right click on that skill. Does any one know a easier way to do this?

You also won't be wasting sp for lvl up since you can get self heal, res, and harmony therapy, and the skill to lower parry, which I never tried.

tedtwilliger wrote:

At the current cap the build is crap. But at the 90 cap it will work great. Smile

You could argue that. In reference to pvp, it will come down to the effectiveness of the new ice buff. If this ice buff is really as good as everyone makes it out to be, then this build will good. Though if this buff ISNT as good as everyone proclaims, then hes kinda screwed over.


IMO 90 bich (or hech) 90 light 90 cold 30 fire is the way to go (assuming 90 cap). That way u still will get some benefits of the fire shield. The only problem i have with this build is the lack of immunity. As alot of capped players take fire and are immune to status, the effect of the cold and light imbues/nukes will be downgraded alot. Though if they do fix the bug, making fire shield ONLY usable by someone who keeps the shield equipped, then this build will gain some dominance.

Plus, if you lvl fire just to get fire shield then you'rewasting sp because you're lvling a mastery tree only to get a skill or two

Isnt that the reason anyone takes a certain force over another force?? as there are a few more skills that are better than the rest...??? If u have chosen cold mainly for the new ice buff at 90 cap, than u are doing the same thing are u not???

IMO build is good for 90 cap, but at current cap is quite worthless.

Do you know what lvl you need to get ice immunity? Something like 69 fire. And tell me, do you see many people around here with lvls over 69? No. PLus you can benefit much more from cold mastery than fire as a nuker, thats why you should take ice instead of fire.
I didn't chose cold just for ice buff, it's because it can b effective in PvE when getting mobbed and in PvE below lvl 69. I already fought people with ice imbue at lvl 20 and you know what? I had the fire imbue and i died to almost all of them, even when they were lower lvls, because when i hit once they hit me five times. FIVE TIMES. And ice rain is the most powerfull nuke in group war.

nice build with less sp...i have 1 char similar to this one....

getting mob is not a very happy thing for int build..so i think spear for this build go hybrid or take s/s to get urself ready when u have attract mobs..

believe me, i have come to Yeti with my light nuke and i have to nuke carefully

omg you might as well go fire and increase mag def so u can wear armor. u also get fire shield which JM said will not be changed. and 2x ur attack...

lol what are you talking about ice nuke 2nd is the 2nd worst nuke in the game. it has same range as meteor and 3x lower damage than flame wave. also, the flame wave has a more useful aoe by hitting enemies around and behind u. it doesnt have the same effect as frost nova. nova is 50 freeze the nuke is 10%

muyo wrote:nice build with less sp...i have 1 char similar to this one....

getting mob is not a very happy thing for int build..so i think spear for this build go hybrid or take s/s to get urself ready when u have attract mobs..

believe me, i have come to Yeti with my light nuke and i have to nuke carefully

If there's a lot of mobs and I only want to pull one I just use that frostbiting skill (the first one), that ranged sword skill or just have a bow with no pacheon skills and shoot them with an arrow.

Sorry that I can't remember the names of the skills, I"m sure you know what I mean though.

Calisto wrote:

tedtwilliger wrote:

At the current cap the build is crap. But at the 90 cap it will work great. Smile

You could argue that. In reference to pvp, it will come down to the effectiveness of the new ice buff. If this ice buff is really as good as everyone makes it out to be, then this build will good. Though if this buff ISNT as good as everyone proclaims, then hes kinda screwed over.


IMO 90 bich (or hech) 90 light 90 cold 30 fire is the way to go (assuming 90 cap). That way u still will get some benefits of the fire shield. The only problem i have with this build is the lack of immunity. As alot of capped players take fire and are immune to status, the effect of the cold and light imbues/nukes will be downgraded alot. Though if they do fix the bug, making fire shield ONLY usable by someone who keeps the shield equipped, then this build will gain some dominance.

Plus, if you lvl fire just to get fire shield then you'rewasting sp because you're lvling a mastery tree only to get a skill or two

Isnt that the reason anyone takes a certain force over another force?? as there are a few more skills that are better than the rest...??? If u have chosen cold mainly for the new ice buff at 90 cap, than u are doing the same thing are u not???

IMO build is good for 90 cap, but at current cap is quite worthless.

Do you know what lvl you need to get ice immunity? Something like 69 fire. And tell me, do you see many people around here with lvls over 69? No. PLus you can benefit much more from cold mastery than fire as a nuker, thats why you should take ice instead of fire.
I didn't chose cold just for ice buff, it's because it can b effective in PvE when getting mobbed and in PvE below lvl 69. I already fought people with ice imbue at lvl 20 and you know what? I had the fire imbue and i died to almost all of them, even when they were lower lvls, because when i hit once they hit me five times. FIVE TIMES. And ice rain is the most powerfull nuke in group war.

lvl 20... i rest my case.

Monk1690 wrote:Fire at 30 for fire shield at 28 is pretty useless. You get a -38 status effect only. How about get that force cure series instead???

At 30, you get to treat a 76 status effect with one click; just click again if it doesn't work. I find it pretty annoying to use though, you have to select your own character by shift-left click and then right click on that skill. Does any one know a easier way to do this?

You also won't be wasting sp for lvl up since you can get self heal, res, and harmony therapy, and the skill to lower parry, which I never tried.

The reason why is because how many people would take the time to use a skill on themselves 1 to 2 times to cure themselves of frostbite/freeze... One, they have auto-pot(for pills) and Two, Fire shield with immunities on gear can make you completely immune to all effects causing you to not have to use pills.. Very Handy..

-Grim

Grim wrote:

Monk1690 wrote:Fire at 30 for fire shield at 28 is pretty useless. You get a -38 status effect only. How about get that force cure series instead???

At 30, you get to treat a 76 status effect with one click; just click again if it doesn't work. I find it pretty annoying to use though, you have to select your own character by shift-left click and then right click on that skill. Does any one know a easier way to do this?

You also won't be wasting sp for lvl up since you can get self heal, res, and harmony therapy, and the skill to lower parry, which I never tried.

The reason why is because how many people would take the time to use a skill on themselves 1 to 2 times to cure themselves of frostbite/freeze... One, they have auto-pot(for pills) and Two, Fire shield with immunities on gear can make you completely immune to all effects causing you to not have to use pills.. Very Handy..

-Grim

+1. Why would u in the middle of pvp start using that skill?? IMO much easier to have pots and/or status immunity.

Why would u in the middle of pvp start using that skill?? IMO much easier to have pots and/or status immunity

You don't for pvp. And what about status immunity? Did you read what the other person wrote? I was responding to how having 30 fire shield is equally useless and won't get you the status immunity. If you have 30 masteries left, it sucks, doesn't matter where it go to. I was saying, if you put the 30 in force, you have some useful skills, like harmony therapy and res; and Force cure can still be used if you're poisoned 'cause it does last for a bit. The solution is if you could spare some masteries from the 2nd-ary trees and boost fire to 40 and you'll at least would have fire shield with a -50 status error effect.

85 bich
85 cold
90 light
40 fire

Some math; never knew math can be so useful. From a lenghty discussion about ice immunity and some brilliant deduction by cuchulainn.
Ref: http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=12328&highlight=immunity

His equation assuming:
13% burn reduction from jewelry
fire shield with -64 status error effect
Burn = 152 (this was his e.g.; this value is illustrated in a small icon when you get burn during the game)

% reduction: Final=Burn-.13*burn-.64*burn
% reduction = 35
cuchulainn was able to confirm this after he buff the fire shield and he was then burn at a lower rate, 34 (again, the little icon)


Now we can calculate whether there is any immunity at all if you have fire shield at just lvl 30 (-38 status error effect):
% reduction: Final=Burn-.13*burn-.38*burn
% reduction = 97 (Good luck getting enough jewelry to cancel out the rest of the effects!)

If at lvl 40, with -50 status error effect:
% reduction: Final=Burn-.13*burn-.50*burn
% reduction = 56 (much more manageable!)

Again, quoting from their post, you will still need at least 22% reduction in your jewelry even if you have max fire shield at -78; that is if you want full immunity from ice. That's a lot of alchemy!

Monk1690 wrote:Some math; never knew math can be so useful. From a lenghty discussion about ice immunity and some brilliant deduction by cuchulainn.
Ref: http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=12328&highlight=immunity

His equation assuming:
13% burn reduction from jewelry
fire shield with -64 status error effect
Burn = 152 (this was his e.g.; this value is illustrated in a small icon when you get burn during the game)

% reduction: Final=Burn-.13*burn-.64*burn
% reduction = 35
cuchulainn was able to confirm this after he buff the fire shield and he was then burn at a lower rate, 34 (again, the little icon)


Now we can calculate whether there is any immunity at all if you have fire shield at just lvl 30 (-38 status error effect):
% reduction: Final=Burn-.13*burn-.38*burn
% reduction = 97 (Good luck getting enough jewelry to cancel out the rest of the effects!)

If at lvl 40, with -50 status error effect:
% reduction: Final=Burn-.13*burn-.50*burn
% reduction = 56 (much more manageable!)

Buy taking lvl 30 fire i never meant u would get 100% immunity, but it may be enough to use a smaller pill size. I thought u would be smart enough to figure that out but i guess not.

Buy taking lvl 30 fire i never meant u would get 100% immunity, but it may be enough to use a smaller pill size. I thought u would be smart enough to figure that out but i guess not.

Pills Pills Pills; it still takes time for pills to kick in btw. Have fun pilling while frozen; all your maxed skills would be useless in a deep freeze. Alas, it's easy to reduce your expectation just so it makes you feel you're still right!

Also, I wondered who wasn't smart enough to realized you will never achieve immunity; I think I was the one suggesting to bump fire shield to 40 for the purpose of lowering the status effect (to make it more manageable as I'm quoting myself)! Please read carefully before flaming others.

Monk1690 wrote:

Buy taking lvl 30 fire i never meant u would get 100% immunity, but it may be enough to use a smaller pill size. I thought u would be smart enough to figure that out but i guess not.

Pills Pills Pills; it still takes time for pills to kick in btw. Have fun pilling while frozen; all your maxed skills would be useless in a deep freeze. Alas, it's easy to reduce your expectation just so it makes you feel you're still right!

Also, I wondered who wasn't smart enough to realized you will never achieve immunity; I think I was the one suggesting to bump fire shield to 40 for the purpose of lowering the status effect (to make it more manageable as I'm quoting myself)! Please read carefully before flaming others.

Well if u actually read my POSTS before this, u would of realized how much i have flamed this build. Let me quote myself if u will.

tedtwilliger wrote:Ever heard of a little thing called fire shield???

It IS the most useful skill in the game. With it u are able to get 100 % immunity to cold. Good luck getting frozen every 2nd hit.

hmm... now who has to read more carefully???

I was simply saying that if he has already chosen this build, that he MIGHT AS WELL chuck the remaining 30 into fire. Myself, i hate this build, my posts say this very bluntly. I feel that not having 100% ice immunity will cost him his life on MANY occasion. So dont flame me telling me to" Have fun pilling while frozen"

tedtwilliger wrote:

Monk1690 wrote:

Buy taking lvl 30 fire i never meant u would get 100% immunity, but it may be enough to use a smaller pill size. I thought u would be smart enough to figure that out but i guess not.

Pills Pills Pills; it still takes time for pills to kick in btw. Have fun pilling while frozen; all your maxed skills would be useless in a deep freeze. Alas, it's easy to reduce your expectation just so it makes you feel you're still right!

Also, I wondered who wasn't smart enough to realized you will never achieve immunity; I think I was the one suggesting to bump fire shield to 40 for the purpose of lowering the status effect (to make it more manageable as I'm quoting myself)! Please read carefully before flaming others.

Well if u actually read my POSTS before this, u would of realized how much i have flamed this build. Let me quote myself if u will.

tedtwilliger wrote:Ever heard of a little thing called fire shield???

It IS the most useful skill in the game. With it u are able to get 100 % immunity to cold. Good luck getting frozen every 2nd hit.

hmm... now who has to read more carefully???

I was simply saying that if he has already chosen this build, that he MIGHT AS WELL chuck the remaining 30 into fire. Myself, i hate this build, my posts say this very bluntly. I feel that not having 100% ice immunity will cost him his life on MANY occasion. So dont flame me telling me to" Have fun pilling while frozen"

In my opinion the one who needs to READ other people's posts here is you because you didn't even read what I actually said. First, ice immunity is at high lvls and second, people with ice imbue at high lvls are rare because they all go fire. And I already repeated this over three times in this thread. Plus, pill potions are cheap and powerfull against status error. Look, I'm not forcing you to make this build, it's your choice, now if you don't like it, too bad for you, I don't care if you like it or not. And I never said fire isn't the most important skill in the game, because it IS the most powerfull, but not for spear nukers, like the one in my guide.
What you say is right, fire shield -IS- important, but not for a nuker when first ice mastery is more usefull for a nuker and second when no one attacks you with ice imbue. And even if they do attack, just get some cash and buy some pill pots against status error. That'll solve your problem. Now please, stop flaming my build just because you think it should go burn in hell, I'm not forcing anyone to do it.