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I'm considering dropping my Cold and putting it into Pacheon for the attack rating bonus...because apparently, STR vs STR is a pot war, so having Might Guard of Ice is almost pointless. However, I just wanted to see if any other glaviers already have Pacheon and if they see a difference in how they hit.

Let me know if you think Cold is better for phy. defense, or if Pacheon is better for attack rating bonus.

Pacheon for a dual weapon glaive/bow.

I didn't notice much of an increase in damage with the AR buff. I'd recommend sticking with ice.

I say skip both and save your sp

Having Attacking Rating doesn't increase damage. It makes it so your not hitting all different damages.

Example: Ghost Spear Mars, having attack rating will make it a steady 5k instead of 2k, 4k, etc...

Cold is pointless, if you got good gears no need for ice. Bow makes things more interesting, Lets think about this. lets say Lord Yarkan instead of getting killed a bunch of times you can use bow. In PVP its good if you got Glavie because you toss a Anti-Devil bow Steel in and Demon Arrow and switch to Glavie Soul Spear Soul etc...

You got a High Attack rating and chance of high crits, so its up to you

Wow, pretty evenly split...

and yes, I do know that AR increases the chances of hitting the higher range of your phy. damage and doesn't actually make you hit "harder".

Seems to be split right down the middle so far though, hehe.

Screw the ice IMO>>> build a dual glaive/bow.

Ice is vital in job wars and such when you get ganged by 3-4 noob pure strs, it saves your ass.
I don't notice much of a difference with pacheon so I'd say get ice.

slurp wrote:Ice is vital in job wars and such when you get ganged by 3-4 noob pure strs, it saves your ass.
I don't notice much of a difference with pacheon so I'd say get ice.

LOL, if 4 glaivers get on you, your dead ice or no ice.......remember it's just 97 Defense it's not 970. Iron wall 685 reduce dmg 50% ~ 55% soo..that means your lil 97 defense will reduce 5% ~ 7% maybe o_0, and if you people think 5% reduce dmg > A WHOLE ..... SKILL TREE then your wrong o_0.

Another reason why I might want to keep cold is because supposedly they are removing the Fire Shield buff for non-shield users at the 90 cap, which means no more ice-immunity...making ice imbue beastly.

Also, bowman are going to be hella strong at 90 cap with the new arrow combo that Knocks-Back and the stun for Strong Bow...

Hard choice. =/

...neither, but if i have to pick one then cold cause the AR is disfunctional right now xD

Hit Ratio works...it's the same as attack rating...you hit the higher range of what you can hit...

If you don't believe me, take off your weapon and look at your Character Stats page, you're Hit Ratio will decrease dramatically.

Hit Ratio is the same as Attack Rating...just different words...

Sam of Honor wrote:Another reason why I might want to keep cold is because supposedly they are removing the Fire Shield buff for non-shield users at the 90 cap, which means no more ice-immunity...making ice imbue beastly.

Also, bowman are going to be hella strong at 90 cap with the new arrow combo that Knocks-Back and the stun for Strong Bow...

Hard choice. =/

Any proof of this yet?

So bladers will have unbeatable ice, iron wall, and flame shield at their disposal? Sounds a bit unbalanced.

Pacheon.

If plan for 90 cap, that's 90 fire 90 light 90 heuk and 30 lvls in Pacheon.

Question: Back to flame shield comment - if this is supposedly going to be taken away from all but shield users, then wouldn't the hawk buff be taken away from all but bow users?

That sounds fishy to me.

slurp wrote:Ice is vital in job wars and such when you get ganged by 3-4 noob pure strs, it saves your ass.
I don't notice much of a difference with pacheon so I'd say get ice.

IF YOU HAVENT NOTICE,
THE HERBALIST SELLS UNIVERSAL PILLS.
*ICE EFFECTS*

Doesn't matter if you have pills or not...if they freeze or give you frostbite, it cancels your attack...

It's the shield buff that makes people immune...and jewelery of course.

Embodiment wrote:

slurp wrote:Ice is vital in job wars and such when you get ganged by 3-4 noob pure strs, it saves your ass.
I don't notice much of a difference with pacheon so I'd say get ice.

LOL, if 4 glaivers get on you, your dead ice or no ice.......remember it's just 97 Defense it's not 970. Iron wall 685 reduce dmg 50% ~ 55% soo..that means your lil 97 defense will reduce 5% ~ 7% maybe o_0, and if you people think 5% reduce dmg > A WHOLE ..... SKILL TREE then your wrong o_0.

actually 5% is a lot heck why do people get 16% piercing force? instead of 15% 3rd book max

BaronSengir wrote:

Embodiment wrote:

slurp wrote:Ice is vital in job wars and such when you get ganged by 3-4 noob pure strs, it saves your ass.
I don't notice much of a difference with pacheon so I'd say get ice.

LOL, if 4 glaivers get on you, your dead ice or no ice.......remember it's just 97 Defense it's not 970. Iron wall 685 reduce dmg 50% ~ 55% soo..that means your lil 97 defense will reduce 5% ~ 7% maybe o_0, and if you people think 5% reduce dmg > A WHOLE ..... SKILL TREE then your wrong o_0.

actually 5% is a lot heck why do people get 16% piercing force? instead of 15% 3rd book max

Well people get 16% and not 15% because.. well they want more damage... 5% for phy def isn't much when getting ganged... You'll last... at most... half a second longer? An extra 1% in damage is like an extra 20-50 damage for a STR so why not? More damage = stronger..., even if by 20 or so damage.

Both are useless with glavie. Not enough of a difference with either so just get fire or lighting if you don't already have them or get Bicheon skills.

I've decided to go with Pacheon...and I've already deleved cold to 50 and leveled Pacheon to 20...

I am already noticing differences in my hitting. I am hitting more 5.5k's instead of 4.9k's which is a good thing, and for some reason, I also notice more crits, but that could be coincidental. can't wait to get 70 pacheon =P

I now believe that Attack Rating buff and bonus are better than Cold buff and bonus =D