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Something I don't understand about bow
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:22 pm
by Encelado
hi all this is my first post
so if you go full int with bow you can easly kill mobs before they even attack you and you hit very hard, thus making it the fastest lvling build in the game, but it seems that pure str bow is better than pure int bow. Why?
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:37 pm
by threefingeredguy
A pure int needs HP bonuses or Blocking to stay alive at higher levels. A bow doesn't provide any protection so the player gets killed easily. Since the bow does a lot of damage with either build, a crit from a pure str bow can easily deal more damage than a pure int.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:39 pm
by Tasdik
threefingeredguy wrote:A pure int needs HP bonuses or Blocking to stay alive at higher levels. A bow doesn't provide any protection so the player gets killed easily. Since the bow does a lot of damage with either build, a crit from a pure str bow can easily deal more damage than a pure int.
+ at lvl 30 you get nukes which have range and do more dmg then bows so it's kinda pointless after lvl 30
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:53 pm
by EllisD
Yea, bows dont have any defense like knockdown (sword\blade) or knockback and stun (glaive\spear) so they need to rely on HP to stay alive. Hence most successful bowers are either full str or str heavy builds.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:56 pm
by Nihuja
okei, here we go again: BOW ARE MENT TO BE STR NOT INT IF YOU WANT YOU COULD GO 2str:1int BUILD!
I think thats it.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:12 pm
by JeSsi3JaiJai
well, if u want to kill fast and have defends, pure int sword is the best choice....(shiled, KD)
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:35 pm
by Nihuja
JeSsi3JaiJai wrote:... pure int sword is the best choice....(shiled, KD)
for christ sake try to read trough hes message, hes asking if full int BOW is ok not full in s+s <- that i whole another cup of tee
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:39 pm
by InsertName
EllisD wrote:Yea, bows dont have any defense like knockdown (sword\blade) or knockback and stun (glaive\spear) so they need to rely on HP to stay alive. Hence most successful bowers are either full str or str heavy builds.
not yet... there was a post showing video of new ksro bow skills doing kb while pvping and a black hawk doing 1k dmg
i was planning to make a 70:70 bow but i realized u cant get good equips in ksro for 80:80 so i ended up w/ 1:2 hybrid instead
str for a high crit dmg while int for an average dmg (u use imbue alot)
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:46 pm
by freePizza
Int + bow might be better with the new stopping skills that may be added to the pancheon with the 90 lvl update. Nukes with bigger range + stopping skills sounds intriguing.
But till then, pure int/pancheon/lighting/fire build is very lacking in defence. No knock down, no stun, no hp passive, no shield defence and blocks, no castle shield.
You may try to add some defence by going pure int/pancheon/lightning/ice/heuksal build, but defence would still be quite low and offence would be lessened. Besides, then you wouldnt be able to get the range-increasing skill from pancheon high enough, and that skill is the main reason to go with bow instead of sword or spear.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:33 pm
by Hasbin
InsertName wrote:not yet... there was a post showing video of new ksro bow skills doing kb while pvping and a black hawk doing 1k dmg

i was planning to make a 70:70 bow but i realized u cant get good equips in ksro for 80:80 so i ended up w/ 1:2 hybrid instead
str for a high crit dmg while int for an average dmg (u use imbue alot)
U mean this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0zkHL9b4gk Yeah Strong bow has STUN (ouch a 22m attack that stuns

).
And arrow combo knock back => u keep ur range

.
And the hawk does the physical dmg

.
EllisD wrote:Yea, bows dont have any defense like knockdown (sword\blade) or knockback and stun (glaive\spear) so they need to rely on HP to stay alive. Hence most successful bowers are either full str or str heavy builds.
ATM range is ur defense. Tanking is useless with a bow.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:08 pm
by EllisD
Hasbin wrote:ATM range is ur defense. Tanking is useless with a bow.
lol, i realize that range is a bowers only defence but it cannot always be taken advantage of either because you are stunned or kd'd. Tanking is not ideal, but sometimes necessary.
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:01 am
by [SD]happynoobing
EllisD wrote:Hasbin wrote:ATM range is ur defense. Tanking is useless with a bow.
lol, i realize that range is a bowers only defence but it cannot always be taken advantage of either because you are stunned or kd'd. Tanking is not ideal, but sometimes necessary.
yea, it's almost impossible to use range as your defense because:
1) people have phantom
2) the bow attacks takes time to charge up.
but the future arrow combo with kb is gonna change that

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:52 am
by HertogJan
goddam jezus Farking christ, never saw that vid before, MAN i totally love my bow allready <3
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:28 am
by flexo
Hasbin wrote:InsertName wrote:not yet... there was a post showing video of new ksro bow skills doing kb while pvping and a black hawk doing 1k dmg

i was planning to make a 70:70 bow but i realized u cant get good equips in ksro for 80:80 so i ended up w/ 1:2 hybrid instead
str for a high crit dmg while int for an average dmg (u use imbue alot)
U mean this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0zkHL9b4gk Yeah Strong bow has STUN (ouch a 22m attack that stuns

).
And arrow combo knock back => u keep ur range

.
And the hawk does the physical dmg

.
EllisD wrote:Yea, bows dont have any defense like knockdown (sword\blade) or knockback and stun (glaive\spear) so they need to rely on HP to stay alive. Hence most successful bowers are either full str or str heavy builds.
ATM range is ur defense. Tanking is useless with a bow.
man how lame are you when you make a vid like that...the glavie doesn't even fight back.. you can call it a test but still.. test it for real and fight.. see who wins.
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:20 pm
by EllisD
flexo wrote:Hasbin wrote:InsertName wrote:not yet... there was a post showing video of new ksro bow skills doing kb while pvping and a black hawk doing 1k dmg

i was planning to make a 70:70 bow but i realized u cant get good equips in ksro for 80:80 so i ended up w/ 1:2 hybrid instead
str for a high crit dmg while int for an average dmg (u use imbue alot)
U mean this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0zkHL9b4gk Yeah Strong bow has STUN (ouch a 22m attack that stuns

).
And arrow combo knock back => u keep ur range

.
And the hawk does the physical dmg

.
EllisD wrote:Yea, bows dont have any defense like knockdown (sword\blade) or knockback and stun (glaive\spear) so they need to rely on HP to stay alive. Hence most successful bowers are either full str or str heavy builds.
ATM range is ur defense. Tanking is useless with a bow.
man how lame are you when you make a vid like that...the glavie doesn't even fight back.. you can call it a test but still.. test it for real and fight.. see who wins.
Im at work, so i cant watch the vid atm, but im assuming that its the one that is showing off the new skills. Its not supposed to be a fight, just showing the skills.
Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:57 am
by flexo
EllisD wrote:flexo wrote:Hasbin wrote:InsertName wrote:not yet... there was a post showing video of new ksro bow skills doing kb while pvping and a black hawk doing 1k dmg

i was planning to make a 70:70 bow but i realized u cant get good equips in ksro for 80:80 so i ended up w/ 1:2 hybrid instead
str for a high crit dmg while int for an average dmg (u use imbue alot)
U mean this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0zkHL9b4gk Yeah Strong bow has STUN (ouch a 22m attack that stuns

).
And arrow combo knock back => u keep ur range

.
And the hawk does the physical dmg

.
EllisD wrote:Yea, bows dont have any defense like knockdown (sword\blade) or knockback and stun (glaive\spear) so they need to rely on HP to stay alive. Hence most successful bowers are either full str or str heavy builds.
ATM range is ur defense. Tanking is useless with a bow.
man how lame are you when you make a vid like that...the glavie doesn't even fight back.. you can call it a test but still.. test it for real and fight.. see who wins.
Im at work, so i cant watch the vid atm, but im assuming that its the one that is showing off the new skills. Its not supposed to be a fight, just showing the skills.
yeah it just shows skills indeed... but still the best way to show skills imo is to have a real fight. That way you can really see when this new skills are handy and if they really work...
Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:29 pm
by Rainigul
flexo wrote:EllisD wrote:flexo wrote:Hasbin wrote:InsertName wrote:not yet... there was a post showing video of new ksro bow skills doing kb while pvping and a black hawk doing 1k dmg

i was planning to make a 70:70 bow but i realized u cant get good equips in ksro for 80:80 so i ended up w/ 1:2 hybrid instead
str for a high crit dmg while int for an average dmg (u use imbue alot)
U mean this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0zkHL9b4gk Yeah Strong bow has STUN (ouch a 22m attack that stuns

).
And arrow combo knock back => u keep ur range

.
And the hawk does the physical dmg

.
EllisD wrote:Yea, bows dont have any defense like knockdown (sword\blade) or knockback and stun (glaive\spear) so they need to rely on HP to stay alive. Hence most successful bowers are either full str or str heavy builds.
ATM range is ur defense. Tanking is useless with a bow.
man how lame are you when you make a vid like that...the glavie doesn't even fight back.. you can call it a test but still.. test it for real and fight.. see who wins.
Im at work, so i cant watch the vid atm, but im assuming that its the one that is showing off the new skills. Its not supposed to be a fight, just showing the skills.
yeah it just shows skills indeed... but still the best way to show skills imo is to have a real fight. That way you can really see when this new skills are handy and if they really work...
No, because the whole point of the video was to show skills. And if the glaive fought back, it could interrupt skills, and make it unclear what the bow was doing.
In the test server people pvp alot (or so I hear, I haven't played on it) but some people were nice enough to give us a sneak peak of the new skills.