KD vs. Stun...Again

juntakashi · Post by **juntakashi** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:59 pm

hi i hv tis Qn after watching numerous youtube video of glaives/spear owning (pure str glaives especially)

and i noted tt stun seems to be better than KD...
1st. aft u KD some 1...u nid to stab 1,2 or 3 times and i noticed (big THX to the LAG) that ppl always cant complete the 3 stabs (most KD and then freeze there 0.5 sec and miss the 3rd stab)

2nd. the 3 stabs add up seems to deal rather smaller dmg compared to Stun and knockback...wif pots u nid to deal big dmg fast rite?

So i hv tis qn is stun better than KD all around? at least a bit?

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:18 pm

uhm, how about 50% KD compare to 30% stun? Who get effects often?

Post by **Stress** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:35 pm

Glaives usually do large damage with a soul spear + ghost spear; the stun does not make any difference in the damage. During a KD, a full STR blade can pot alot of his HP back, but the same happens with the stun. Keep in mind, that early stern probabilities are small (20% bk1, 25%bk2). bk3 stuns pretty often. people could never do three stabs. It's impossible in that KD time. most people do: bk3 + bk2, and barely have time for it.

Aviator · Post by **Aviator** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:33 pm

One good thing about spear/glavie:

You can do any attack when your rival is stunned but in KD, there is only one choise.
Also someone else can hit your rival too, with any type of attack.
Lastly when somebody does an attack that hits all around, you got hit by it when stunned, but not in KD, so stun is better when you fight with a group and KD is good when you are KD'ed and ppl are around you :roll:

Think about it... :roll:

devilti · Post by **devilti** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:40 pm

i dont think u can compare these two.

both has pros and cons. just whichever the person likes.

both r great moves for each weap

MastaChiefX · Post by **MastaChiefX** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:47 pm

@ 70 cap, tripple stab owned all.

Now, not as much.

Xecut10ner · Post by **Xecut10ner** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:04 pm

Lol? Dude, I got no lagz and i can do KD with no problem
And, More and more people starting to be Dual weapons, So... both Stunt \ KD ownz

MastaChiefX · Post by **MastaChiefX** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:16 pm

Xecut10ner wrote:Lol? Dude, I got no lagz and i can do KD with no problem
And, More and more people starting to be Dual weapons, So... both Stunt \ KD ownz

Do a tripple stab on a 80 glavie. See how much he gets ownz.

Aviator · Post by **Aviator** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:05 am

MastaChiefX wrote:
Xecut10ner wrote:Lol? Dude, I got no lagz and i can do KD with no problem
And, More and more people starting to be Dual weapons, So... both Stunt \ KD ownz

Do a tripple stab on a 80 glavie. See how much he gets ownz.

Pots fill health very quickly that the glaive's health goes down a little

juntakashi · Post by **juntakashi** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:39 am

Pots fill health very quickly that the glaive's health goes down a little

yup thats wat i mean as well...i mean stab is a series of actions but stun is 1 action only so mayb stab is a little bit disadvantaged...

and wif pure str blade's rather low dmg compared to glaive and pure int sword's even weaker phy dmg, stab seems to be just a bit disadvantaged (i noe i noe..u gonna say but blade/sword has a shield to block etc. )

but i just hv tis feeling that KD+ stab's dmg is not as gd as stun + any other consecutive combo ( i just hv tis feeling, dunno y )

And can i ask abt wats the combo move of a S&S pure int nuker?
is it nuke -> KD stab KD stab KD stab until dies? bcoz KD stab is not a nuker's best att and aft KD u cant nuke...abit confused here

thx !

Loboloco · Post by **Loboloco** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:29 pm

I don't even know why i'm bothering because ya'll are going to pick it apart to justify your own build. Ok a few things here. Yes they both each have their advantages.

For those who say glaives are better: Yes you will do massive dmg, but you will also take more dmg compaired to a blader. Also a sheild with high block will block a lot of your hits.

For those who say blades are better for the sheilds:A glaiver can partially get around that with a good block parry blue. I didn't mention less dmg because everyone should know that.

Blocking ratio: People tell me that the % to block is your sheild's block/100 x100. (basicly just your block just as a %). So a 15 block blocks 15 out of 100 hits ... however I think it's more around 22-25 out of 100 from personal experience. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

For those of you who are confused: Experiment. Hands on experimentation will beat reading anyday.

Going 1v1: The kd will happen more often then a stun, giving the blader more time to recover. So a glaiver will have to rely on killing in about 4-6 maybe 8 skills (SS=>GS or GS=>SS). While a blader has to just grind you down to win.

Team battles: Glaivers are better when teamed with other glaivers or ints. Stupid bladers are only good with other bladers. Good bladers will be smart and know what to do with glaivers as teammates. KD the ints so the glaivers can get in position to kill the int off, while the blader moves to the next target to distract.

High end dueling (lvl 70+): A fully farmed lvl 80 pure str glaiver and a fully farmed lvl 80 pure str blader go at it, the winner will NOT be determined by stun or kd. At those lvls pure str's are bashing their heads against brick walls. The winners are almost ALWAYS the ones who have more pots/pills and/or who crit more often. This does not apply to pure strs vs pure ints. Pure ints are my food.

Me (pure str blader) and my friend (pure str glaiver) spar every so often. Usually we go at it every 4 lvls or so. We have the same type of equips (garment) and about the same lvl gaps as well as lvls. At lvl 20 I beat him 4/5 times. He won once because we started when he was full hp and i was half hp. With me at 32 sos blade 52%pdmg 0% crit my friend 32 sos glaive good pdmg and good crit he beat me 3/5 times. At lvl 36 same weapons we could not kill each other. At 42 both of us have good sos's with good crits he won 5/5, because of 2nd book of SS and GS compaired to just my 2nd book of kd. At 52 I won 5/5 and he has only beaten me 3 times from 52-64 (52 56 60 and 64 each with 5 rounds).

When I duel I use a lvl 38 sheild. Why do i use such a low sheild? It has freaken 18 block (80%) and 60 critical (100%). What does this mean? I'll block about 30-35%(with passive) of your soul spears, and i'll negate 60% of your criticals. So about only 5% of your soul spears will hit me AND crit at best.

Juntakashi the combo for a sword pure int nuker is: nuke kd stab phantom walk nuke kd stab ..... and hope it kills em within the first 2 combos.

Ell · Post by **Ell** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:46 pm

juntakashi wrote:
Pots fill health very quickly that the glaive's health goes down a little

yup thats wat i mean as well...i mean stab is a series of actions but stun is 1 action only so mayb stab is a little bit disadvantaged...

and wif pure str blade's rather low dmg compared to glaive and pure int sword's even weaker phy dmg, stab seems to be just a bit disadvantaged (i noe i noe..u gonna say but blade/sword has a shield to block etc. )

but i just hv tis feeling that KD+ stab's dmg is not as gd as stun + any other consecutive combo ( i just hv tis feeling, dunno y )

And can i ask abt wats the combo move of a S&S pure int nuker?
is it nuke -> KD stab KD stab KD stab until dies? bcoz KD stab is not a nuker's best att and aft KD u cant nuke...abit confused here
thx !

KD/stab from a sword does more damage than from a blade.

juntakashi · Post by **juntakashi** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:00 pm

don't even know why i'm bothering because ya'll are going to pick it apart to justify your own build. Ok a few things here. Yes they both each have their advantages.

i m concerned bcoz i saw ppl wif stun is like owning

KD/stab from a sword does more damage than from a blade

gd to hear that..i using sword
xD

ok thx for all the replies peeps

realli kill off my paranoid already

imporkchop · Post by **imporkchop** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:24 pm

dont forget block from shield that also reduce propability of stunn

Post by **Rainigul** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:14 pm

Blade is better than glaive. Blade is just the best, here's proof:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YwiCMJnn7Ko

KD is really good, most of the videos you've been watching are just bad examples. Though the 3 stab is REALLY hard to do with lag, without lag, it's done very easily.

crazy_foo · Post by **crazy_foo** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:21 pm

both can be very annoying at times :wink:

Ell · Post by **Ell** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:49 am

Rainigul wrote:Blade is better than glaive. Blade is just the best, here's proof:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YwiCMJnn7Ko

KD is really good, most of the videos you've been watching are just bad examples. Though the 3 stab is REALLY hard to do with lag, without lag, it's done very easily.

LOL and what makes your video so special? I can find many videos of ice glaives owning ppl but I wouldn't go as far as calling them the best.

Razzmatazz · Post by **Razzmatazz** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:56 am

KD is good for saving yourself, saving your giant from glaive/bow ksers
wont do you no good if the ksers has stab LOL

Stun is good if you want your friends to help you win a fight, and for doing different skills while your enemy is stunned.

So practically, both are okay, both have their strengths and weaknesses.

HBblade · Post by **HBblade** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:43 am

Ell wrote:
Rainigul wrote:Blade is better than glaive. Blade is just the best, here's proof:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YwiCMJnn7Ko

KD is really good, most of the videos you've been watching are just bad examples. Though the 3 stab is REALLY hard to do with lag, without lag, it's done very easily.

LOL and what makes your video so special? I can find many videos of ice glaives owning ppl but I wouldn't go as far as calling them the best.

lol, ice anything is pretty worthless after ppl get immune (and i'm immune to all there is atm in isro), in the low lvls, yes they're somewat annoying, but once you hit 7d acc (where 20% resist can b put on each piece of acc), ice becomes worthless

Post by **Rainigul** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:01 am

Ell wrote:
Rainigul wrote:Blade is better than glaive. Blade is just the best, here's proof:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YwiCMJnn7Ko

KD is really good, most of the videos you've been watching are just bad examples. Though the 3 stab is REALLY hard to do with lag, without lag, it's done very easily.

LOL and what makes your video so special? I can find many videos of ice glaives owning ppl but I wouldn't go as far as calling them the best.

The guy is level 64 with armor on, his equipment su cks. He beats a lv 69 int player.
Blade is the best, people just like to deny it because they are in love with glaive.

KYD · Post by **KYD** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:47 am

They both annonying

but they prize goes tooo , KD :twisted:

that friggin dam annoying shit comes evrey 2 hits :twisted:

KD chances is way more bigger then stun chances

Post by **Stress** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:42 am

Rainigul wrote:
Ell wrote:
Rainigul wrote:Blade is better than glaive. Blade is just the best, here's proof:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YwiCMJnn7Ko

KD is really good, most of the videos you've been watching are just bad examples. Though the 3 stab is REALLY hard to do with lag, without lag, it's done very easily.

LOL and what makes your video so special? I can find many videos of ice glaives owning ppl but I wouldn't go as far as calling them the best.

The guy is level 64 with armor on, his equipment su cks. He beats a lv 69 int player.
Blade is the best, people just like to deny it because they are in love with glaive.

Glaivers are frikking boring. I mean all you do with a glaive is spam SSS + GSM until crit. Everyone rolls STR glaives, it's too boring for me. Int builds overall are much more flexible, and fun to play with.

Bladers are not the best in PvP. It all comes down to gear:
Gear > build.

Xeroist · Post by **Xeroist** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:19 pm

Blader=glaive Only way to beat each other is either equip, pots, or luck. (If they are the same level range and not a crappy build)